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Interesting how some locales are able to send teams to the LLWS year after year. A league in our area was told to split up because their population base was too large. They managed to manipulate the system to get around it and won the US championship. They created a phony league that had no players and then waived the players from those geographic areas back into the original league. The local officials knew exactly what was going on but the lure of a LLWS team was too strong to resist. The league was split up the next year and they haven't won the district since. The locale with the largest remaining population base has won the district and section almost every season since.

It would be interesting to see how close some of these repeater teams come to meeting the LL population limits and how many of them found ways to waive strong players into their leagues.

Part of it is reputation of course. People will move into areas where there's a strong program, but once the league gets split to meet the population base rules that goes away almost immediately.
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Our town has a population of 50,000 and has two leagues. As per Little League International when we reach 60,000 we will need to form another league. What they do not seem to factor into their formula is that we have a competing Cal Ripken league with virtually no boundries. 35 to 40% of the players in town are not in our league do to the other league. Little League is very slow to recognize and adjust to the changing evironment of youth baseball. They very much want to have as many players involved in All Star competition as possible. Great for the kids until they have to play a stacked team.
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The league I was talking about drew from about 50,000 but did have some competing leagues. The league that now has the most runs about 36,000 and has very little competition for players relative to most leagues. The nearby PONY league sends teams to their WS almost every year, but they also get the better players coming out of the local LL's at 13yo.
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my town has about 22000 people. growing up we had 3 leagues and turned at least 75 kids away. once in a blue moon, one league had a decent all star team.

due to our population about 6 or 7 years ago we merged all 3 leagues, instituted a minors system A,AA,AA,and majors. we are now in the state tourney most years. been to the regionals 3 or 4 times and the ws once.

but last in knew we were the second largest cal ripken state with 70 + leagues. only about 25 LL. there are other leagues besides LL in alot of areas, could be why so many repeat to the ws.
I am from Waipio and that is what I see as well.A lot of the talented players play other leagues besides LL and some return to try for the all star team.

I cannot comment on why Waipio is so strong as we play in a different league.Whatever they are doing,it's working.They have been state champions more times than not in recent years.Even the younger age groups are state champs.
Similar in our area. The year a LL team went to the LLWS there was more talent in the local PONY leagues. This year a lot of those kids were draft eligible and it was the kids from the PONY background who went in the 1st and 2nd round.

Just from looking at the boundaries the Waipio LL has posted it looks like they're drawing from a 40,000 to 50,000 population base. I could be way off on that though. Usually looking at how many teams there are in the league at all levels is more revealing as that is a better reflection of how many kids they are actually drawing in.
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I cannot comment on why Waipio is so strong


The two largest population centers on the island with the lowest home prices are Ewa and Central Oahu. So these areas draw a larger concentration of young families who cannot afford to spend nearly a million dollars to buy a house closer to town. So it's probably not a coincidence that Ewa and Waipio have had the most LL success. I believe the national trend is that youth baseball has become more concentrated in suburban areas.

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