Are you suggesting that he starts circular, straightens his hands for a frame or two (1/30th to 1/15th of a second time lapse) and then returns circular?
Think about it.
No actually IP I know from your teachings to me that the hands are circular all the way through and never "really" straight at any point in swing. peace
Shep
Shep
quote:Are you suggesting that he starts circular, straightens his hands for a frame or two (1/30th to 1/15th of a second time lapse) and then returns circular?
To be honest I think that is exactly what I see. Though, the clip from the right side could be a slight adjustment made to stay on the outside pitch.
Sandman acknowledges too... that there is a small portion of the total amount the hands move (from after stride to contact) that is straighter than all of the rest of their path.
But, the bottom line is that the old adage of "shortest path between 2 points is a straight line" still does not seem to fit the baseball swing, as it suggests that the hands would move as Infopimp asked me to draw on the LH Rose... in a straight line from launch to contact.
But, the bottom line is that the old adage of "shortest path between 2 points is a straight line" still does not seem to fit the baseball swing, as it suggests that the hands would move as Infopimp asked me to draw on the LH Rose... in a straight line from launch to contact.
quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
Though, the clip from the right side could be a slight adjustment made to stay on the outside pitch.
Good point, PG! Which drives home the point that, unlike the other dozens of clips floating around, there are only a few from overhead, and hardly any (if any?) of middle and inside pitches. IOW... if we concede that perhaps an outside pitch might make a hitter "hang on" just a tad longer and not be trying to turn as hard/fast as he can... then maybe our sampling size just isn't big enough to conclude that all hitters swing their hands in straight line? (not saying anyone actually claimed that)
Now, I really must shut off my photo and animation editors and get to bed!
Agree Sandman.
BTW, Mr. Ford, I have no idea who (Hardball 10) is who has been posting on PG message board directly to me. He won't answer PM even though he acts like he is boosom buddy or something-LOL
The slant of (Hardball 10) does suggest a bit of bias toward possible draftpicks or suggestion thereof...Just thought I would let you know sir. Hadn't had need for liquid courage for many years now.
Shep
BTW, Mr. Ford, I have no idea who (Hardball 10) is who has been posting on PG message board directly to me. He won't answer PM even though he acts like he is boosom buddy or something-LOL
The slant of (Hardball 10) does suggest a bit of bias toward possible draftpicks or suggestion thereof...Just thought I would let you know sir. Hadn't had need for liquid courage for many years now.
Shep
I don't know who he is. Not sure I know what you mean. Maybe I need to spend less time here and more there. It's just a lot more interesting over here most of the time.
I woke up in the middle of the night thinking about the Rose swing and the rotation of the shoulders.
I heard Bonds say on TV some years ago that he was loading with his shoulders to the shortstop. His dad pointed that out to him. He said he worked on keeping his shoulders down "the line" to second base. His hand path would be rotating down a straght line if he does keep his shoulders in a parallel line to the line the flight of the ball creates.
If you keep the shoulders parallel to the line of the flight of the ball you have to be shorter to the hitting area. With some this would sacrifice power.
Pete Rose had to have an angular swing because his shoulders are at a 45 degree angle to the line of the flight of the ball. (Draw a line through his shoulders and another line from the pitcher's delivery to the catchers mitt. The shoulders are not on the same line.)
I also agree most hitters have a front shoulder turn. Therefore, the swing HAS to be an angular swing.
Take all major league players and look at all extra base hits to total hits. The average is 33% (it was 34% the year before). Pete Rose had a life-time 1041 extra base hits to 4,256 total hits. He ran at 24% extra base hits which is below average power, and by quite some bit.
Interesting paradox. Angular motion is faster than linear motion. However, the hitter who keeps his shoulders parallel to the line of the flight of the ball (Bonds and Sosa) has more power than the hitter who doesn't (Rose).
Barry Bonds swing, if he is taking the front shoulder load out would be less angular and would be more like rotating down a straight line. However, his extra base hits as a percentage of total hits is much higher than Rose.
Do one more mental exercise. Exaggerate the shoulder turn and make it all the way to third base on the left-handed batter and to first base on the right-handed batter. The angular swing would be even more pronounced. It would be harder to get to extension and the path would be even more around the ball.
Think also of a pitcher that "over-rotates." How do they "get down the line." They generally are the pitchers that "fall off." They lose force through the ball and go around the ball.
Sosa when he could hit kept his shoulders "down the line" and now he rotates his shoulders. How was he better? I am going to even more teach the shoulders down the line. I going to emphasize even more to rotate down the line. Thanks for the video. (My kid's highschool career is so far 48% extra base hits to total hits).
I heard Bonds say on TV some years ago that he was loading with his shoulders to the shortstop. His dad pointed that out to him. He said he worked on keeping his shoulders down "the line" to second base. His hand path would be rotating down a straght line if he does keep his shoulders in a parallel line to the line the flight of the ball creates.
If you keep the shoulders parallel to the line of the flight of the ball you have to be shorter to the hitting area. With some this would sacrifice power.
Pete Rose had to have an angular swing because his shoulders are at a 45 degree angle to the line of the flight of the ball. (Draw a line through his shoulders and another line from the pitcher's delivery to the catchers mitt. The shoulders are not on the same line.)
I also agree most hitters have a front shoulder turn. Therefore, the swing HAS to be an angular swing.
Take all major league players and look at all extra base hits to total hits. The average is 33% (it was 34% the year before). Pete Rose had a life-time 1041 extra base hits to 4,256 total hits. He ran at 24% extra base hits which is below average power, and by quite some bit.
Interesting paradox. Angular motion is faster than linear motion. However, the hitter who keeps his shoulders parallel to the line of the flight of the ball (Bonds and Sosa) has more power than the hitter who doesn't (Rose).
Barry Bonds swing, if he is taking the front shoulder load out would be less angular and would be more like rotating down a straight line. However, his extra base hits as a percentage of total hits is much higher than Rose.
Do one more mental exercise. Exaggerate the shoulder turn and make it all the way to third base on the left-handed batter and to first base on the right-handed batter. The angular swing would be even more pronounced. It would be harder to get to extension and the path would be even more around the ball.
Think also of a pitcher that "over-rotates." How do they "get down the line." They generally are the pitchers that "fall off." They lose force through the ball and go around the ball.
Sosa when he could hit kept his shoulders "down the line" and now he rotates his shoulders. How was he better? I am going to even more teach the shoulders down the line. I going to emphasize even more to rotate down the line. Thanks for the video. (My kid's highschool career is so far 48% extra base hits to total hits).
Religion is a tough thing to overcome.
Beautiful punch hitter's swing. He gets the hands out front early and drags the bat through the zone. You can see he doesn't generate a ton of bat speed doing this but nothing is going to get by him. Good way to get a lot of hits in a career if you can run a bit.
How many of you are teaching your kids to be punch hitters?
How many of you are teaching your kids to be punch hitters?
