I wouldn't mind if he lived next door. CPLZ, he even likes to grill fish on the BBQ, with Big Papi.
Boston Scrod?
Racab - nice post.
For anyone who cares to read it, here is Manny's biography from his website. I have followed him since he was in high school because there were articles written about him before the Indians drafted him with the 13th pick. The bio is a true account of his life and career without much hyperbole imho.
http://www.mannyramirez.com/about.htm?
For anyone who cares to read it, here is Manny's biography from his website. I have followed him since he was in high school because there were articles written about him before the Indians drafted him with the 13th pick. The bio is a true account of his life and career without much hyperbole imho.
http://www.mannyramirez.com/about.htm?
quote:Originally posted by Racab:
Manny is a very humil and shy person. For that reason, baseball journalist stigmatize him as a "hotdog", thinking that he doesn't want to talk to the press.
Why don't you see him as a role model?...because he doesn't allow nothing to distrac his great hitting?.
I'm not a sports journalist. I criticize him for not putting out the effort to slide, and not really running full tilt through the plate. Thereby costing his team (e.g., teammates, fans) a run. And for not running hard, instead going into his HR trot when he didn't know for sure the ball was out.
Those things have nothing to do with "being distracted from his great hitting".
And they don't indicate hard work on the field either.
We can sit around and make excuses for his "environment". But I don't believe I am mistaken when I say that somewhere along the way coaches taught him to always give it his best.
Babe came up rough too. Off the field, there were antics. But when he was on the field, he gave it his all. He respected the game, his teammates and the fans.
quote:Originally posted by Dad04:quote:Originally posted by CPLZ:
Although I would like the situation to be handled differently with Manny, I do sense a bit of a double standard here.
When Manny hit the double with Big Papi at 2nd with 2 outs, did you notice that Ortiz just kind of jogged off base to see if the ball was going to be foul and then started to run late? After a couple of foul balls, he didn't go hard with two outs when the ball was hit. He should have scored easily, but only wound up at 3rd.
Why aren't we BBQ'ing him also? Because he's likeable?
Because it never happened? Please check the box score. 2nd Inning Ortiz 2 out doubles, scoring Youkilis, Manny walks, Lowell Pops out for 3rd out. Actually he was on first base in the 4th and went to third on Manny's double. 1st to 3rd with a bad wheel isn't jaking.
I guess they all know he can't have anymore cortisone this year and is scheduled for right knee surgery the day after the World Series. Nice try though.
Thank God! I didn't remember that at all.
Thanks CD, that was nice. Good post Racab.
Manny is Manny, he doesn't pretend to be anyone else, why are we having Manny bashing day?
How about Beckett, some don't like his aloof, c o c k y attitude (though much improved since leaving the Marlins). Or his smirk when he walks off the mound.
But that is what makes JB who he is, as with Manny's antics, that's what makes him who he is. I understand his teammates greatly respect him, and he brings enthusiasm to the team. I've never heard of him being in trouble or associated with drugs. I hear he does a lot for the community as well.
What more do you want?
Manny is Manny, he doesn't pretend to be anyone else, why are we having Manny bashing day?
How about Beckett, some don't like his aloof, c o c k y attitude (though much improved since leaving the Marlins). Or his smirk when he walks off the mound.
But that is what makes JB who he is, as with Manny's antics, that's what makes him who he is. I understand his teammates greatly respect him, and he brings enthusiasm to the team. I've never heard of him being in trouble or associated with drugs. I hear he does a lot for the community as well.
What more do you want?
quote:Originally posted by Texan:quote:Originally posted by Racab:
Manny is a very humil and shy person. For that reason, baseball journalist stigmatize him as a "hotdog", thinking that he doesn't want to talk to the press.
Why don't you see him as a role model?...because he doesn't allow nothing to distrac his great hitting?.
I'm not a sports journalist. I criticize him for not putting out the effort to slide, and not really running full tilt through the plate. Thereby costing his team (e.g., teammates, fans) a run. And for not running hard, instead going into his HR trot when he didn't know for sure the ball was out.
Those things have nothing to do with "being distracted from his great hitting".
And they don't indicate hard work on the field either.
We can sit around and make excuses for his "environment". But I don't believe I am mistaken when I say that somewhere along the way coaches taught him to always give it his best.
Babe came up rough too. Off the field, there were antics. But when he was on the field, he gave it his all. He respected the game, his teammates and the fans.
I was gonna say that.
Correct me if I'm wrong Sandy...........ooops, thats Carl from Caddyshack.
Correct me if I am wrong, but did this arm raise start against Cleveland, or did it present itself in the regular season?
Correct me if I am wrong, but did this arm raise start against Cleveland, or did it present itself in the regular season?
I don't think there are too many players that give more to his team than Manny Ramirez. What you call lack of effort is simplely doing what he knows he can. He didn't try to do more than what he can. He is not perfect, and running it is not one of his strengh. He plays an almost perfect left field in Boston, considered one of the more difficult outfields in baseball, he is more than adecuate as a defensive ball player. As a hitter, inclusive you and all his "for free detractors" have to admit with bitter that he is one of the best. Of course, you are not happy to admite that he is a great player and for that reason you are looking to find anything you could to criticize him. Don't be afraid and tell the truth, you don't like the guy and that's it.
quote:Originally posted by Racab:
He plays an almost perfect left field in Boston, considered one of the more difficult outfields in baseball,
I disagree.
It is very difficult for an outfielder to go back on a baseball, especially with ones back facing home plate. A short porch and a 40 foot wall is a weak outfielders dream. Wait for the carum.
I was one of Yaz's biggest fans. LF is the traditional weakest outfield position, and the Monster is another way of hiding it. Plus my 10 year old can make the short throw
quote:Originally posted by Racab:
I don't think there are too many players that give more to his team than Manny Ramirez. What you call lack of effort is simplely doing what he knows he can. He didn't try to do more than what he can. He is not perfect, and running it is not one of his strengh. He plays an almost perfect left field in Boston, considered one of the more difficult outfields in baseball, he is more than adecuate as a defensive ball player. As a hitter, inclusive you and all his "for free detractors" have to admit with bitter that he is one of the best. Of course, you are not happy to admite that he is a great player and for that reason you are looking to find anything you could to criticize him. Don't be afraid and tell the truth, you don't like the guy and that's it.
OK Recab, lets change the name. Carl Yazstremski was well known to have dogged it on occasion. I didn't like him then and I don't like him now for that reason. I'm talking about baseball and players who don't hustle and disply an overabundance of ego while on the field. I've got absolutely no doubt thar Ramirez will end up in the HOF but he wouldn't get my vote. He IS a great hitter. He might be a great guy but I don't care cause I don't know him. I'm just talking baseball. Don't take it personally.
I also agree that LF in Boston would not be that tough. You've got such a limited area to cover. That's why he AND Carl play(ed) there.
quote:Originally posted by baseballregie:
The guy has amazing talent but is there ANYBODY in MLB that sets a worse example for young ballplayers than he does? Just curious how others on this board perceive him. I would imagine him to be an East LA ********er if he wasn't playing ball.
Did you forget your post, what have to be "an East LA.......er" with baseball? ... that is a very bad way (for not to say somethingh else) to get conclusions.
Is somebody saying Manny Ramirez is the only player to have spent his upbringing in an urban environment with meager means?
This thread has much to do with a HR pose? Start a new one called Manny's Pedestal
This thread has much to do with a HR pose? Start a new one called Manny's Pedestal
I'm sorry it offends you but that's what he looks like to me. That's his choice and this is mine.
Good enough for me, amen.
TG,
What does your kids making the honor roll have to do with this thread?
BTW, what would you have done if they didn't make the honor roll?
What does your kids making the honor roll have to do with this thread?
BTW, what would you have done if they didn't make the honor roll?
quote:Originally posted by Tiger Paw Mom:
Thanks CD, that was nice. Good post Racab.
Manny is Manny, he doesn't pretend to be anyone else, why are we having Manny bashing day?
How about Beckett, some don't like his aloof, c o c k y attitude (though much improved since leaving the Marlins). Or his smirk when he walks off the mound.
But that is what makes JB who he is, as with Manny's antics, that's what makes him who he is. I understand his teammates greatly respect him, and he brings enthusiasm to the team. I've never heard of him being in trouble or associated with drugs. I hear he does a lot for the community as well.
What more do you want?
Amen. They aren't running for Class President or Homecoming King or Queen, (please note non-sexist analogy)
, but it's a baseball game, a bravado chucked, trash talking, ego-fest.quote:Originally posted by OLDSLUGGER8:
Correct me if I'm wrong Sandy...........ooops, thats Carl from Caddyshack.
Correct me if I am wrong, but did this arm raise start against Cleveland, or did it present itself in the regular season?
The picture I posted was bottom of the 9th ALDS versus the Angels. He didn't have much to cheer about in the regular season. It was an off year with an injury.
Manny IS a role model for young kids as is every super star athlete. They may not be the role model we parents would select for our children to look up to ---- but we don’t “pick” their idols and those they want to emulate. This is not about the REAL Manny at all (I have no idea who the REAL Manny is and don’t really care). This is about the TV personality, the baseball player. This is about the image Manny projects on the TV --- that’s the Manny that impacts the children of this world. ---- Recab I’m surprised of your defense of Manny. It seems as if you would be the most critical of his inability to send the right message. Manny has a gift and a message to give ALL kids and he allows his personal quirks to tarnish his “gift”. Maybe you and I can see through his nonsense and antics and say that’s “Manny being Manny” ---- but that’s not the case with a young boy. I would not want my children to look up to Manny and emulate his actions ------ I don’t care how good of a baseball player he is. Baseball has been very good to Manny ---- he should return the favor.
Fungo
Fungo
Fungo nice post as always, can't disagree with you.
I am not aure if I would want him to be my son's role model, but I do like him alot.
I am not aure if I would want him to be my son's role model, but I do like him alot.
quote:Originally posted by Racab:
What you call lack of effort is simplely doing what he knows he can. He didn't try to do more than what he can. He is not perfect, and running it is not one of his strengh.
That is so laughable.
I don't know Manny personally. So how could I "not like him"?
I don't like the lack of effort he exhibits at times. And obviously I am not alone in seeing the lack of effort.
quote:Originally posted by Tiger Paw Mom:
BTW, what would you have done if they didn't make the honor roll?
Mom: You better (fill in the blank) or else!!!
me: Or else what ?
It didn't take long to find out what else.
fungo
I gave for close this tread few hours ago, I believe that nonbody have the right to say, that if you were not a ballplayer you were an east LA wathever.
I am going to answer you because I respect you a lot. You say you don't know manny, and probably few people in this site know him. How can you say that you don't want Manny as a role model to your kids, if you self said that you don't know him. Tell me the ideal role model for your kids in the big leagues. Whom is that perfect player-person specially in this era when anyone tonight is a hero, and tomorow morning is a goat. If your kids one day chosse a player like Manny as a role model be sure to make your job as a father and reconicing the lot of good things that he has, then tell them what parts of him are not good to imitate. Also be you a good example, because , don't care what you say to them, only what they see you doing. One thing I always want to teach my kids, is not to judge nonbody just for appearance, or following some body else opinion. Also never be afraid to be their self.
But please, as a ball player he is a Hall of famer by sure, and any parent will love his son with a career like his. As a person, you are not qualified to judge him because you don't know him.
I know Manny since his HS years, he was team mate of my eldest son, and they have continued their frienship. I know that most of the people always make the mistake of look only at the weakness of others, and for that reason don't got time to see and persive lot of good things. And I know also that we are a lot more hard judging other people(specially if they don't like us), than our self.(specially when we have the same problems). Believe me, maybe Manny don't hustle all the time, but remember a season is 162 games and he is not the kind of player that his contribution with his team is about hustling, he is an slugger and in important games he try hard and does the best he can do. Ave, RBI's, HR, and clucht hitting is his strengh, fielding, running, and mental errors are his handicap. But please, East LA .....er?
Today...TRhit is traveling to Jupiter and for that reason may be he have not participated of this debate, with him in Jupiter is Manny's HS coach. Probably if the tournament scheadule allow it, TR may ask Mr. Mandle to write a comment about Manny.
I gave for close this tread few hours ago, I believe that nonbody have the right to say, that if you were not a ballplayer you were an east LA wathever.
I am going to answer you because I respect you a lot. You say you don't know manny, and probably few people in this site know him. How can you say that you don't want Manny as a role model to your kids, if you self said that you don't know him. Tell me the ideal role model for your kids in the big leagues. Whom is that perfect player-person specially in this era when anyone tonight is a hero, and tomorow morning is a goat. If your kids one day chosse a player like Manny as a role model be sure to make your job as a father and reconicing the lot of good things that he has, then tell them what parts of him are not good to imitate. Also be you a good example, because , don't care what you say to them, only what they see you doing. One thing I always want to teach my kids, is not to judge nonbody just for appearance, or following some body else opinion. Also never be afraid to be their self.
But please, as a ball player he is a Hall of famer by sure, and any parent will love his son with a career like his. As a person, you are not qualified to judge him because you don't know him.
I know Manny since his HS years, he was team mate of my eldest son, and they have continued their frienship. I know that most of the people always make the mistake of look only at the weakness of others, and for that reason don't got time to see and persive lot of good things. And I know also that we are a lot more hard judging other people(specially if they don't like us), than our self.(specially when we have the same problems). Believe me, maybe Manny don't hustle all the time, but remember a season is 162 games and he is not the kind of player that his contribution with his team is about hustling, he is an slugger and in important games he try hard and does the best he can do. Ave, RBI's, HR, and clucht hitting is his strengh, fielding, running, and mental errors are his handicap. But please, East LA .....er?
Today...TRhit is traveling to Jupiter and for that reason may be he have not participated of this debate, with him in Jupiter is Manny's HS coach. Probably if the tournament scheadule allow it, TR may ask Mr. Mandle to write a comment about Manny.
Ah, Dad, you can be taught! 
Racab, I hope you know how much I respect you, an your unfailing ability to see the good in everyone.
I don't think there are any 'normal' professional athletes. Many came up through poverty and difficulties --- from the beginning, when there wasn't a whiff of the millions players enjoy today. I've forgotten who said it back in the '50's I believe, that a rich kid could never make it the major leagues because they'd never be hungry enough to put in the work it took.
Even the ones now with supportive families and security have had the perception-skewing experience of being Stars for some portion of their lives. Many of our sons have had the experience of being treated differently from classmates or the public in general because of their status as Jocks. If you've read the Prospect/Non Prospect diaries you learn a bit of what it's like.
Which is why many of us respect the players who respect the game and its fans...and are none too crazy about the unduly demonstative, the tantrum throwers, the primadonnas. And anyone who has noticed the antics (and felonies) of NBA and NFL players should be adamant that that kind of behavior stays the heck out of The Perfect Game.
Manny isn't the only one, he's just the one the thread is about.
Ramirez has now been a pro ballplayer longer than he lived in the DR; nearly as long as his time both there and in NYC. Somewhere along that way, he could have adjusted that attitude had he wanted to. I find it hard to believe no coach, family member, friend, or teammate didn't encourage it. At this stage of life, he's the man he made himself.
Racab, I hope you know how much I respect you, an your unfailing ability to see the good in everyone.
I don't think there are any 'normal' professional athletes. Many came up through poverty and difficulties --- from the beginning, when there wasn't a whiff of the millions players enjoy today. I've forgotten who said it back in the '50's I believe, that a rich kid could never make it the major leagues because they'd never be hungry enough to put in the work it took.
Even the ones now with supportive families and security have had the perception-skewing experience of being Stars for some portion of their lives. Many of our sons have had the experience of being treated differently from classmates or the public in general because of their status as Jocks. If you've read the Prospect/Non Prospect diaries you learn a bit of what it's like.
Which is why many of us respect the players who respect the game and its fans...and are none too crazy about the unduly demonstative, the tantrum throwers, the primadonnas. And anyone who has noticed the antics (and felonies) of NBA and NFL players should be adamant that that kind of behavior stays the heck out of The Perfect Game.
Manny isn't the only one, he's just the one the thread is about.
Ramirez has now been a pro ballplayer longer than he lived in the DR; nearly as long as his time both there and in NYC. Somewhere along that way, he could have adjusted that attitude had he wanted to. I find it hard to believe no coach, family member, friend, or teammate didn't encourage it. At this stage of life, he's the man he made himself.
Recab, Fungo, Orlando, And all Other's Great Post's and Great thread.
I think Manny has one of the nicest swing's in baseball.
He could work on his approuch to defense.
HOFamer.
Here's my pet peave, And my Soapbox Stand.
Manny and any other player that knock's there helmet off there head should be warned, and then Ejected for a second offense.
We need to get a handle on this, and it starts with the UMP's, and the MLB/BBPU.
Here's why!!
Someone's going to have a serious Injury falling over that helmet on a relay throw.
A career ending Knee or ankle injury.
If he can't keep it on his head then give him a chin strap.
JMHO
EH
I think Manny has one of the nicest swing's in baseball.
He could work on his approuch to defense.
HOFamer.
Here's my pet peave, And my Soapbox Stand.
Manny and any other player that knock's there helmet off there head should be warned, and then Ejected for a second offense.
We need to get a handle on this, and it starts with the UMP's, and the MLB/BBPU.
Here's why!!
Someone's going to have a serious Injury falling over that helmet on a relay throw.
A career ending Knee or ankle injury.
If he can't keep it on his head then give him a chin strap.
JMHO
EH
I respect your opinion and do like Manny in spite of some antics - & NOT as a role modelquote:by Racab: nonbody have the right to say, that if you were not a ballplayer you were an east LA wathever.
that gang reference may not be as offensive as you take it tho -
a bb friend of my son's knew Manny from the DR & NYC and surely would confirm that he's a great talent, hard worker and very likable - however you may be trying to re-write history a bit ..
that gang reference was often in the newspaper - not necesarily referring to Manny, but certainly his friends/possee
when the Indians took him out of Bronx they were publicly concerned about separating him from his home-boy possee who were seen to be a bunch of wannbe felons following his money.
Tribe suurounded thim w/guys like the Alomars, Eddie Murray, Winnfield, Tavarez, El Presidente & others .. and they quickly delt Baerga when he became a problem off the field as well as keeping Manny in Cleve for offseason work as much as possible
I do wish he'd try to make it look like the helmet fell off due to his hustle instead on making a show of flipping it off tho
The guy has made millions in baseball. Hope he's saved plenty because he'd have a tough time getting a real job anywhere else....except in baseball.
Was he born in New York City or did he emigrate to NYC from somewhere else?
Anyone know? Born and raised in NYCity?
Was he born in New York City or did he emigrate to NYC from somewhere else?
Anyone know? Born and raised in NYCity?
BEE
Belive me, it is a lie,it is a calunny. And I don't have to use any refferal, I know the kid since 14 years old. You can believe anything you want, it is not the first time that people get free detractors.
Beenthere
Manny born in The Dominican Republic and came to New York at about 13 years old.
You are right, he born to play baseball, he had learning disability, and was in special classes in HS, but that doesn't mean he is not a great human been.
Belive me, it is a lie,it is a calunny. And I don't have to use any refferal, I know the kid since 14 years old. You can believe anything you want, it is not the first time that people get free detractors.
Beenthere
Manny born in The Dominican Republic and came to New York at about 13 years old.
You are right, he born to play baseball, he had learning disability, and was in special classes in HS, but that doesn't mean he is not a great human been.
quote:it's a calunny
quote:NY Mag 4/07:
Once it was clear that he’d finally made it, the entire Ramirez family moved and stopped returning to Washington Heights.
“We’d like him to help the program out, which he doesn’t, unfortunately,” HS coach Steve Mandl said.
“The kids, every day, it’s ‘Why doesn’t Manny do this? Why doesn’t Manny do that?’ We’d like to put lights on the field.”
Boston's Mystery Man
Bee
Where there, say that Manny was in a Gang? What his coach said was that he was not cooperating with the program with money.
Did you know that Manny,s coach (Mel) from his traveler team - Youth Service-, was his "protector" and agent, and took all his bonus money?, the only thing Manny could get from $300,000 bonus was a $14000 car?..he had to wait until he signed his first big contract to has money again. Do you think that what his HS coach is saying authorize you or anybody else to speculate that if he were not a baseball player he were a ganger?
Where there, say that Manny was in a Gang? What his coach said was that he was not cooperating with the program with money.
Did you know that Manny,s coach (Mel) from his traveler team - Youth Service-, was his "protector" and agent, and took all his bonus money?, the only thing Manny could get from $300,000 bonus was a $14000 car?..he had to wait until he signed his first big contract to has money again. Do you think that what his HS coach is saying authorize you or anybody else to speculate that if he were not a baseball player he were a ganger?
I not say he was a ganger, was told many neighborhood guys were -quote:Do you think that what his HS coach is saying authorize you or anybody else to speculate that if he were not a baseball player he were a ganger?
it seems like some of the latin role models the Tribe surrounded him with were very good.
you may have a good perspective ... what are most of the guys from that neighborhood doing today?
his free agent contract w/Boston was $160 million++
so if he doesn't help kids who live like he did it's because he just don't care
I'll pass on him as a role model, but I love his sense of humor
quote:Ramirez has, or had, two Social Security numbers and five active driver’s licenses—none of which he managed to present to the officer who pulled him over in 1997 for driving with illegally tinted windows and the stereo blasting at earsplitting volume.
“The cop knew who he was,” as Sheldon Ocker, the Indians beat reporter for the Akron Beacon Journal, tells it.
“He said, ‘Manny, I’m going to give you a ticket.’
Manny says, ‘I don’t need any tickets, I can give you tickets,’ and reaches for the glove compartment.
Then he leaves the scene by making an illegal U-turn and he gets another ticket.”
You know after reading that article, I think I like him a bit more.
I love the part about the count and how he waits to be told to go to first base.
He's not a genius and he doesn't pretend to be, he answers to a different drummer.
I love the part about the count and how he waits to be told to go to first base.
He's not a genius and he doesn't pretend to be, he answers to a different drummer.
as I said, bbreggei's perception of Manny's entourage was often on the news at 11pm
ok, so perhaps the bad types around Manny who got the publicity in those days were Mel's gang/posse ... whom you've noted was a crook.
how could one dismiss ALL news reports about Manny's entourage as lies, while noting his protector was himself a crook
a basic understanding of the details ... who gets the 5% & who gets the 95%
again .. definitly an interesting/enjoyable talent, but NOT even close to role model material
ok, so perhaps the bad types around Manny who got the publicity in those days were Mel's gang/posse ... whom you've noted was a crook.
how could one dismiss ALL news reports about Manny's entourage as lies, while noting his protector was himself a crook
a great illustration on the importance of actually attending class and graduating hs - (role model stuff)quote:by Racab: the only thing Manny could get from $300,000 bonus was a $14000 car?
a basic understanding of the details ... who gets the 5% & who gets the 95%
again .. definitly an interesting/enjoyable talent, but NOT even close to role model material
Manny's HS coach, Steve Mandl, has been on our staff for a number of years now and we continually talk about how Manny is talked about---most of the talk being totally inaccurate and uninformed
I am not going to get into the discussion as to Manny's "protector" because it is nobody's business but those involved.
Coach Mandl and Manny still speak periodically and there is no animosity between them---none at all--
Bottom line for Manny--he knows more about hitting thasn anyof us can imagine and you never here a Boston team mate say anything derogatory about him--and do you think he got to learn to play the Green Monster as well as he does without spending endless hours working on it---he is the first to the field every day to work in preparation--and he LOVES PLAYING THE GAME unlike many others in the game today. I do not believe it is a job to him--it is still a game
I am not going to get into the discussion as to Manny's "protector" because it is nobody's business but those involved.
Coach Mandl and Manny still speak periodically and there is no animosity between them---none at all--
Bottom line for Manny--he knows more about hitting thasn anyof us can imagine and you never here a Boston team mate say anything derogatory about him--and do you think he got to learn to play the Green Monster as well as he does without spending endless hours working on it---he is the first to the field every day to work in preparation--and he LOVES PLAYING THE GAME unlike many others in the game today. I do not believe it is a job to him--it is still a game
i don't think any one really was bashing manny. i also don't think many answered the original question. when i was a kid reggie smith used to catch the ball with one hand, my coach used him as a good bad example. i think that's what manny does. not so much today but 25 yrs ago old school baseball people would be appalled at his technique.as they would for 99% of the players today.just the way it is .
manny is on leno tonight ,and big pappi is on conan after that. should be very entertaining.
manny is on leno tonight ,and big pappi is on conan after that. should be very entertaining.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 20dad:
i also don't think many answered the original question. QUOTE]
I will answer your original question, 20dad.
Manny Ramirez sets the worst example of how the game should be played in all of baseball.
I would never in a million years encourage my son to emulate Manny's on field behavior in any way. And neither would any of the other posters on this site, unless they wanted their sons to get tossed off the team they're on.
In my opinion, it is hypocritical to support Manny's behavior on this site if you aren't willing to encourage your own son to behave like him.
Also, some of the posters in this thread who don't seem to mind Manny's behavior were quick enough in another thread to rip Ted Lilly for slamming his glove in frustration after giving up a crucial HR.
But you are right 20dad, most posters in this thread ducked your original question. So here it is again, "Is there ANYBODY in MLB that sets a worse example for young ballplayers than he does?
i also don't think many answered the original question. QUOTE]
I will answer your original question, 20dad.
Manny Ramirez sets the worst example of how the game should be played in all of baseball.
I would never in a million years encourage my son to emulate Manny's on field behavior in any way. And neither would any of the other posters on this site, unless they wanted their sons to get tossed off the team they're on.
In my opinion, it is hypocritical to support Manny's behavior on this site if you aren't willing to encourage your own son to behave like him.
Also, some of the posters in this thread who don't seem to mind Manny's behavior were quick enough in another thread to rip Ted Lilly for slamming his glove in frustration after giving up a crucial HR.
But you are right 20dad, most posters in this thread ducked your original question. So here it is again, "Is there ANYBODY in MLB that sets a worse example for young ballplayers than he does?
Spoken like a true Yankee fan. 
Can we start with Milton Bradley ???
It was mentioned earlier in the thread that the girls seemed to like Manny and the men didn't(Except Dad) Well.......
UM, What da heck the girl in the pink shorts doing?