Matching the plane?????

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Isn't this another example of how people percieve how they do things verses what they really do?

Coach, age old problem in baseball.....Suppose it will always be that way with most.....Really gets in the way of learning....

HOLY SCRAP AGAIN!

there is no plane of a pitch??? umm... that is the line the ball is traveling from release of pitcher's hand to catchers mit...

and posture IS dictated by the BATTER.. he matches planes by hinging on back leg (slightly sitting on back leg) which changes plane of swing, as well as where the front elbow is slotted (higher on lower pitches, lower on higher pitches).

and anyone who thinks MLB player hit just TO the ball and not trying to hit THROUGH it is absurd. That is like saying Mike Tyson would box and hit to contact and not ttry and hit through opponents head or body... in boxing there are contatc punches (hitting to body) and knockout punches (hitting through body)... now maybe people interpret things differently... but the concept is the same as don't run TO 1st baseb, run through 1st base.. mentally saying don't give up on swing once contact is made... continue to hit through the baseball...

yes/ no?

Must admit, I don't understand how saying "hit through the ball" could possibly be a bad thing.

This is one of those things I was talking about in different thread. Have heard a few very high level hitting people use the words "hit through the ball".

So, Diablo you are saying a pitch does have a plane and hitters should swing on that plane?........Could you explain what the plane of a 12 to 6 curveball looks like?....And, the plane of a fastball riding out on a hitter?

And, does this hitter sit on his back leg?....

http://www.youthbaseballcoaching.com/mpg/Chipper01.mpeg

How about this one?...

http://www.youthbaseballcoaching.com/mpg/thomas_frank.mpeg

Diablo, do you really believe you see counter-rotation in this hitter?.....

http://www.youthbaseballcoaching.com/mpg/mac03.mpeg

BLUEDOG. OUTSTANDING! yes, as everyone should be able to see in the Chipper Jones clip, (he is a stride guy).. once his front foot lands (notice the balance, because all a stride does is break inertia, and re-establish the balance point) [heel off the ground], he then drops the front heel to initiate the swing (starts the hips opening by the two lower-leg bones locking into femur, locking into hip, causing the opening) back elbow tucks nicely allowing front elbow to start slightly working up... and if you focus on his back leg, notice it starts to hinge right about the time his hands get flat (in early approach phase) this allows him to get a slight body lean (so hands can work inside) and is also an equal and opposite effect of his hands and arms being catapulted forward in his swing by the torque developed in his body... and the best thing about your pic (besides being in slo-mo) is that the clip is stopped as Chipper has gone just beyond the power V and still has his good body lean and IS SITTING ON HIS BACK LEG... if you can see that clearly when the clip stops, something is wrong.

p.s. notice his back foot get jerked off the ground as his heel is dropped - NO BUG SQUISHING GUYS!

and if you are able to stop the clip right as heel touches ground, notice where his arms/shoulders are still... yep, closed completely (chin is almost literally on shoulder)- that is TORQUE (two forces working in opposite directions on an object).

i didn't like the F. Thomas clip as much because it is real short and at game speed... but if you can stop it just after contact, you can see him sit on his back leg - remember, this sitting, or body lean is just for a split scond - obviously because the swing happens so fast... but it has to happen to not only to help match planes, but to let hands work inside ball.

and the Big Mac clip, did not have full mechanics in it, it was just from launch on.. so it was hard to tell much... but if you think that for a second that a player does not "load, or counter rotate - or whatever you want to call it, in his swing, you are being silly. In sport, everything moves backwards before it goes forwards... it is a physiology thing... a tennis player serving, racket goes back... boxer knocking someone out, hand goes back, pitcher pitching, hand goes back, etc, etc, etc...

next??

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and the best thing about your pic (besides being in slo-mo) is that the clip is stopped as Chipper has gone just beyond the power V and still has his good body lean and IS SITTING ON HIS BACK LEG...

His rear foot is in the air at ball contact......If you think someone can sit on their back leg while their back foot is off the ground, you are one brainwashed piece of work....

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.. but if you can stop it just after contact, you can see him sit on his back leg -

After contact?...While ago you said MLB hitters determine swing plane by sitting on their back leg......So, now you're saying MLB hitters determine swing plane after contact.....You don't think that's a bit too late?....

Are these hitters sitting on their back leg?

http://www.hitting-mechanics.org/HMOFTP/vlad_tejada_arod_UP.gif

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and the Big Mac clip, did not have full mechanics in it, it was just from launch on.. so it was hard to tell much...

Mac is striding in the clip.....You think hitters reach the launch before they stride?.......That clip is very clear that Mac doesn't counter-rotate his shoulders.....Not even a little......

There must be counter-rotation to create torque......And, great hitters do neither.....

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Originally posted by Diablo con Huevos:
BLUEDOG. OUTSTANDING! yes, as everyone should be able to see in the Chipper Jones clip, (he is a stride guy).. once his front foot lands (notice the balance, because all a stride does is break inertia, and re-establish the balance point) [heel off the ground], he then drops the front heel to initiate the swing (starts the hips opening by the two lower-leg bones locking into femur, locking into hip, causing the opening)...

Nothing could be further from the truth.

swing and axe its all in there. anybody wanna talk about leverage and physics.....meet a baseball it will go.....great talk though guys

Diablo con Huevos, Who is your hitting mentor?

blue dog-

just coming to notice as i read through alot of your responses on this web site... and i notice that prertty much all you do is tell people they are wrong, but don't explain what to be correct - or how to get there, which is the essence of teaching/coaching. do you have a philosophy? can you break it down/explain it?

if that is how you teach (by just telling people they are wrong) then at least you are only teaching hitters and not in our public schools.

i almost forgot (everyone) if you want to see another great clip of a pure rotational hitter... SHEP posted one on page 4 of the STANDING UP STRAIGHT thread of Lee...
notice the hinge in back knee as his swing begins, and as he sits on back leg.. as swing is finishing up... so he can help match planes and get hands inside of baseball... great clip SHEP.

not to beat a dead dog, but does anyone notice if Eric Chavez has got a good body lean, as his back knee has hinged, as he is going to sit on his back leg on the Hudgens DVD at the top of this page?

Diablo, I am with you, MEH rocks. OPS is king. It is interesting to hear the opinion of two people looking at the same thing and seeing different things. Like looking at a coin one sees heads the other sees tails, but they are looking at the same coin.

IP and Bluedog...Please expain what you object to in the technique Diablo describes. His description on a the new thread is exactly what my kids instructor is teaching and what I now teach my 11-12's. What is the actual (not theory) difference. I understand that hitting thru the ball is a phrase you hate. But are you teaching to stay completely connected throughout the swing (see Pete Rose, as opposed to Chipper Jones video). Our BI calls this hook barrel and works hard to eliminate. I see most MLB hitters getting extension after contact (towards the pitcher). Do you??

I'd like to completeley understand the swing you advocate. Is it too complicated to explain in a couple of paragraphs? Or is it a secret that only $500 to Englishbey unlocks.

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Originally posted by BlueDog:
Coach, spine angle (posture) is the only way MLB hitters determine the swing plane..... ...

MLB hitters do not hit through the ball....They hit to the ball.....

... If the plane of the swing is similar to the plane of the pitch and you have in mind to generate speed thru the "hitting zone" doesn't this give you a better chance of hitting the ball hard if your timing is not absolutely perfect on every pitch?

Rudy Jaramillo.

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Originally posted by Diablo con Huevos:
i almost forgot (everyone) if you want to see another great clip of a pure rotational hitter... SHEP posted one on page 4 of the STANDING UP STRAIGHT thread of Lee...
notice the hinge in back knee as his swing begins, and as he sits on back leg.. as swing is finishing up... so he can help match planes and get hands inside of baseball... great clip SHEP.

You have to be blind or religious to believe this.