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Matching the plane?????

I Infopimp100+ posts
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Originally posted by troy99:
IP and Bluedog...Please expain what you object to in the technique Diablo describes. His description on a the new thread is exactly what my kids instructor is teaching and what I now teach my 11-12's. What is the actual (not theory) difference. I understand that hitting thru the ball is a phrase you hate. But are you teaching to stay completely connected throughout the swing (see Pete Rose, as opposed to Chipper Jones video). Our BI calls this hook barrel and works hard to eliminate. I see most MLB hitters getting extension after contact (towards the pitcher). Do you??

I'd like to completeley understand the swing you advocate. Is it too complicated to explain in a couple of paragraphs? Or is it a secret that only $500 to Englishbey unlocks.


Heel drop does not start the swing. Never has never will.
DC Diablo con Huevos500+ posts
Pimp- what starts a the opening of the hips... just curious on your theory.... or are you going to be like BlueDog and just say everything is false and not expand on any philosophy... guess you missed ESPN the other night when they were talking to Pujols about why he doesn't stride, just lifts heel and slams it back down... he said "the only reason i pick the heel up is to set it back down to get my lower body started... my top-half will catch up in time..." so what insight would you give A. Pujols to help him understand his swing better??
D Diamondboy10+ posts
Diablo's Guru is clearly Epstein. Mike's got a lot to offer, but I don't see what Guru sees and I'm looking a the same video of Chipper. Diablo originally said: "he matches planes by hinging on back leg (slightly sitting on back leg) which changes plane of swing." By definition, this matching the plane of the swing to the plane of the pitch by sitting on the back leg must happen before contact to have any meaning. Please show us where Chipper is sitting on his back leg prior to contact?
DC Diablo con Huevos500+ posts
Diamonddoll- RE-READ. Chipper begins to "hinge" his back leg to start to get a good body lean (rearward) to help his hands stay inside the baseball.. he will eventually sit on his back legbecause something has to catch him from falling on his backside. The slotting of the front elbow is the key to matching plane of swing to plane of pitch...

reread... there is a difference between when any rotational hitter "hinges" his back knee and when he is actually "sitting" on back leg (for support)because of getting a good body lean...
DC Diablo con Huevos500+ posts
HERE IS MY CUT AND PASTE - YOU AND BLUE NEED TO STOP MIS-QUOTING PEOPLE, SOON YOU WON'T EVER BE ABLE TO PASS YOUR JOURNALISM FINALS

and if you focus on his back leg, notice it starts to hinge right about the time his hands get flat (in early approach phase) this allows him to get a slight body lean (so hands can work inside) and is also an equal and opposite effect of his hands and arms being catapulted forward in his swing by the torque developed in his body... and the best thing about your pic (besides being in slo-mo) is that the clip is stopped as Chipper has gone just beyond the power V and still has his good body lean and IS SITTING ON HIS BACK LEG... if you can see that clearly when the clip stops, something is wrong.
T troy9910+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by Infopimp:
quote:
Originally posted by troy99:
IP and Bluedog...Please expain what you object to in the technique Diablo describes. His description on a the new thread is exactly what my kids instructor is teaching and what I now teach my 11-12's. What is the actual (not theory) difference. I understand that hitting thru the ball is a phrase you hate. But are you teaching to stay completely connected throughout the swing (see Pete Rose, as opposed to Chipper Jones video). Our BI calls this hook barrel and works hard to eliminate. I see most MLB hitters getting extension after contact (towards the pitcher). Do you??

I'd like to completeley understand the swing you advocate. Is it too complicated to explain in a couple of paragraphs? Or is it a secret that only $500 to Englishbey unlocks.


Heel drop does not start the swing. Never has never will.


No argument from me, I'm using no stride not cueing from heel drop... It is a cue for the swing to start (semantics) for many (style not technique to me) Although It is easy to explain to young hitters as a cue to get the swing started.
Give me some yes's instead of the no's. What are you teaching? "Never has never will " is useless baloney. Explain the alternatives. What cue's if any do you use?
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D Diamondboy10+ posts
I don't need to re-read - I read and quoted your original post accurately. You said: "he matches planes by hinging on back leg (slightly sitting on back leg) which changes plane of swing." Are you now backing away from that statement? Please keep the focus on this statement. How does it relate to the clip of Chipper? Or are you now saying that sitting on the back leg has nothing to do with changing the plane of the swing? If so, you are not being consistent.
I Infopimp100+ posts
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Originally posted by Diablo con Huevos:
Pimp- what starts a the opening of the hips... just curious on your theory.... or are you going to be like BlueDog and just say everything is false and not expand on any philosophy... guess you missed ESPN the other night when they were talking to Pujols about why he doesn't stride, just lifts heel and slams it back down... he said "the only reason i pick the heel up is to set it back down to get my lower body started... my top-half will catch up in time..." so what insight would you give A. Pujols to help him understand his swing better??


The pelvis. I stood up and slammed my heel into the floor 4 times and my hips never moved.
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I Infopimp100+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by Diamondboy:
Diablo's Guru is clearly Epstein. Mike's got a lot to offer, but I don't see what Guru sees and I'm looking a the same video of Chipper. Diablo originally said: "he matches planes by hinging on back leg (slightly sitting on back leg) which changes plane of swing." By definition, this matching the plane of the swing to the plane of the pitch by sitting on the back leg must happen before contact to have any meaning. Please show us where Chipper is sitting on his back leg prior to contact?


Great point. Blue Dog brought it up earlier. Diablo can't answer it so he ignores it. A typical establishment move.

Says the leg hinges to match the plane. I guess he means the plane of the exiting ball.
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T troy9910+ posts
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Originally posted by Infopimp:
Either you don't like my answer or you don't understand it.

Doesn't mean I didn't answer your questions.


Or you did not answer... #1 Should we be teaching extension after contact (as I see with Chipperand most clips I watch (not all)) or are you advocating staying connnected after contact?? (or does it matter?)
T troy9910+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by Infopimp:
Either you don't like my answer or you don't understand it.

Doesn't mean I didn't answer your questions.


#2 ...Swing plane...when Im talking about swing plane matching the pitch...I am talking about the pitch in general (not each individual pitch). The plane should be constant assuming you are not fooled? Slightly upward at contact?
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BlueDogBlueDog1,000+ posts
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I am talking about the pitch in general (not each individual pitch).


Troy, what the heck is a pitch in general?.....You complain about Info not answering your questions....He is answering your questions, but you don't understand what he is saying....Your mind is closed with Epstein theory.....Alot of flaws in what he teaches.....
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