I think Puljos is one of the best high ball hitters I have seen.
Have fun with this one!
I think Puljos is one of the best high ball hitters I have seen.
I think Puljos is one of the best high ball hitters I have seen.
Pimp... i'm not sure why you ignore certain questions, but keep responding to the same one... is that all your manual in front of you has in it...
i asked why you are using clips to "kill" certain philosophies of players at the MLB level that go to the instructor that teaches them.. make no sense.... also this instructor is regarded very highly and his philosophy is taught at Cal St Fullerton, Rice, South Carolina, Nebraska, Arizona (softball)... amongst other places.... surly you can't tell me those coaches are idiots... i keep seeing them have successful offensive seasons, and players drafted...
and you never commented on Pujols' comments on ESPN i quoted earlier in week - when asked why he doesn't stride and he said that he just lifts his heel up to slam it back down to get everything going - said his top half would eventually catch up to make contact with ball... (do a search on espn.com to find). is Pujols ignorant as well as those caoches mentioned earlier?
i asked you, when you and Dog said legs are just a foundation for support of pelvis, about the major muscles that act on the pelvis... i gave you a specific list of them, and no response on that... oddly enough they all were attached at pelvis and ran to knee (the LEG) area... how can the legs play zero part in the swing with these muscles located in leg?? you act like pelvis does all the work... yet those major muscles are in the leg... heck yeah pelvis and abdominal strength are important, but legs mean nothing?
yes, "counter" means to to go in the opposite way... and "rotate" means to move around a center or axis....
so we understand what that means, to counter rotate... so you are saying Glaus is not slightly rotating counter (back, or down and in) to where he he will eventually rotate to (forward, slightly up and away) if that is not happening, then why can we see that digit in the ones place on his jersey only after he begins his swing movement?
i'm just asking about what i am seeing...
i am begining to think that we think alike on the majority of swing mechanics... possibly are being said in different ways... at least we agree that torso will rotate and the arms/hands are just along for the ride....
i asked why you are using clips to "kill" certain philosophies of players at the MLB level that go to the instructor that teaches them.. make no sense.... also this instructor is regarded very highly and his philosophy is taught at Cal St Fullerton, Rice, South Carolina, Nebraska, Arizona (softball)... amongst other places.... surly you can't tell me those coaches are idiots... i keep seeing them have successful offensive seasons, and players drafted...
and you never commented on Pujols' comments on ESPN i quoted earlier in week - when asked why he doesn't stride and he said that he just lifts his heel up to slam it back down to get everything going - said his top half would eventually catch up to make contact with ball... (do a search on espn.com to find). is Pujols ignorant as well as those caoches mentioned earlier?
i asked you, when you and Dog said legs are just a foundation for support of pelvis, about the major muscles that act on the pelvis... i gave you a specific list of them, and no response on that... oddly enough they all were attached at pelvis and ran to knee (the LEG) area... how can the legs play zero part in the swing with these muscles located in leg?? you act like pelvis does all the work... yet those major muscles are in the leg... heck yeah pelvis and abdominal strength are important, but legs mean nothing?
yes, "counter" means to to go in the opposite way... and "rotate" means to move around a center or axis....
so we understand what that means, to counter rotate... so you are saying Glaus is not slightly rotating counter (back, or down and in) to where he he will eventually rotate to (forward, slightly up and away) if that is not happening, then why can we see that digit in the ones place on his jersey only after he begins his swing movement?
i'm just asking about what i am seeing...
i am begining to think that we think alike on the majority of swing mechanics... possibly are being said in different ways... at least we agree that torso will rotate and the arms/hands are just along for the ride....
quote:i am begining to think that we think alike on the majority of swing mechanics
No we don't........No torque, no counter-rotation and no concentration on the hips.....Our hitting beliefs are definitely different....Yep, no doubt about it......
What I see in Puljos clip is rotation tranferring weight to front side with front leg acting as both suspension and axis of rotation. He appears to use front toe to heel as trigger in thrusting his pelvic area into rotation. Also appears to be completely off his back side while bat is still pointing towards catcher.
quote:Originally posted by NYdad:
What I see in Puljos clip is rotation tranferring weight to front side with front leg acting as both suspension and axis of rotation. He appears to use front toe to heel as trigger in thrusting his pelvic area into rotation. Also appears to be completely off his back side while bat is still pointing towards catcher.
Yet he still looks balanced
Diablo... I think it is well established that many (if not most) hitters say they do one thing but when you look at the film ????? Since the advent of high-speed clips they have not studied them. (In Pujols case, why should he?)
I'm not taking sides here, but saying player X says he does "whatever" is a very poor agrument to me.. They are wrong repeatedly.
so dog, that is all you have to say... still no comments on any of my questions???
just nope, nope, nada...
just nope, nope, nada...
Also see him adjust his spine angle up during rotation in adjusting to the pitch which appears across the letters.
Can certainly see the importance of the front leg whereas the back appears to go along for the ride and act more as landing gear.
Can certainly see the importance of the front leg whereas the back appears to go along for the ride and act more as landing gear.
quote:Originally posted by NYdad:
Also see him adjust his spine angle up during rotation in adjusting to the pitch which appears across the letters.
Can certainly see the importance of the front leg whereas the back appears to go along for the ride and act more as landing gear.
NYDad
The interesting thing I see in above clip of Puljos is the pitch is up, near his letters. I have seen other clips when the pitch is low and Puljos back foot does not come this high off the ground and on a pitch at the knees it does not come off the ground at all. The spine lean/ AKA shoulder dip, is not as much in this clip as with a lower pitch. I believe that the centrifugal force of his rotation is the cause of the rear foot coming up for a high pitch in the body's effort to not spin off toward third base, centripetal force working against the rotation to keep a central axis of rotation. A greater spine lean/AKA Shoulder Dip on a lower pitch is the bodies centripetal force counter balancing the centrifugal force of the rotation and the batters weight does not come forward but is able to stay centered better due to the counter balance. Action v reaction. Interesting study of how our body reactions to the laws of physics. The clips of Glauss with three pitch locations shows a little more spine lean/shoulder dip as the pitch gets lower and closer to him. Can't tell in the clips but my guess is the pitches in closer are struck a little further out front each time.
When the batter has to swing at a high pitch they are predisposed to more weight coming off the back leg in reaction to the rotational force. The spine lean/shoulder dip, call it what you will are the method of getting on plane with the pitch. I was very surprised to see how much Clemente came off his back leg in the clip of him and would love to see more at bats of his to see how often this occurred. The pitch he hit appeared to be about waste high.
Clemente did that all the time, it was one of the unique things about him.
Ofher again...
quote:
Legs are reacting to the hips
Ofher, Let me get this straight....
You are saying then that lead leg extension in the weight shift MLB swings is all a result of the middle working.
You believe then that the hip turn generated 2-3/100 before contact that far around the spinal axis can still be powered effectively and totally by middle action.
You believe that lead leg force applied to the ground does not push the lead hip back toward the catcher at this point in the swing and have an effect on the speed of the unhinging of the wrist / bat angle
You believe there is no torque in MLB swings.
You believe plane transition and entering the momentum path of the shoulder turn from above the path serves no physical purpose
You believe that overlapping load and unload through working the middle with a slight weight shift can give the same power as full momentum transfer and head movement forward ...head over belly button to foot plant and lead leg extension.
I read what you say over and over and I believe this is what you have said. I just want to know if this is what you truely believe
quote:
Legs are reacting to the hips
Ofher, Let me get this straight....
You are saying then that lead leg extension in the weight shift MLB swings is all a result of the middle working.
You believe then that the hip turn generated 2-3/100 before contact that far around the spinal axis can still be powered effectively and totally by middle action.
You believe that lead leg force applied to the ground does not push the lead hip back toward the catcher at this point in the swing and have an effect on the speed of the unhinging of the wrist / bat angle
You believe there is no torque in MLB swings.
You believe plane transition and entering the momentum path of the shoulder turn from above the path serves no physical purpose
You believe that overlapping load and unload through working the middle with a slight weight shift can give the same power as full momentum transfer and head movement forward ...head over belly button to foot plant and lead leg extension.
I read what you say over and over and I believe this is what you have said. I just want to know if this is what you truely believe
HCD, would say how the back foot reacts is determined by spine angle during rotation which is relative to lean.
IP, BD, Jojab etc.. Is there an important difference in teaching "spinal tilt" vs. shoulder tilt? I'm with HCD above.. to my eye they are the same. ????
NYD:
Yes based upon observation and experiment I find that the more upright my spine and less shoulder tilt the more my weight wants to come forward. My body must fight this in order to remain on a central pint of rotation. Similar to a figure skater when they do a jump rotation/turn, their momentum forward predisposes them to travel/drift in the air. when the skater spins they are more likely to travel or drift when their arms are out away from the body, the closer the hands the faster the rotation and less travel/drift is seen. Law of conservation of angular momentum. We all must obey the law or suffer the consequences. Batters weight comes forward or spins off the pitch same law applies.
I hate my phat phingers at times,
FYI: I give the parents the $75.00 per hour explination, the kids enjoy the 5 cent version more and have more fun.
Yes based upon observation and experiment I find that the more upright my spine and less shoulder tilt the more my weight wants to come forward. My body must fight this in order to remain on a central pint of rotation. Similar to a figure skater when they do a jump rotation/turn, their momentum forward predisposes them to travel/drift in the air. when the skater spins they are more likely to travel or drift when their arms are out away from the body, the closer the hands the faster the rotation and less travel/drift is seen. Law of conservation of angular momentum. We all must obey the law or suffer the consequences. Batters weight comes forward or spins off the pitch same law applies.
I hate my phat phingers at times,
FYI: I give the parents the $75.00 per hour explination, the kids enjoy the 5 cent version more and have more fun.
quote:Originally posted by troy99:
IP, BD, Jojab etc.. Is there an important difference in teaching "spinal tilt" vs. shoulder tilt? I'm with HCD above.. to my eye they are the same. ????
The way he is saying it, it is the same. As long as the shoulders remain perpendicular to the spine it is just another way of saying the same thing. It is possible, however, for the shoulders to move up and down on angles other than perpendicular to the spine (the spine becomes curved or contorted if you do this) and that is not what you’d want.
Think about this though. When explaining to a kid how to adjust to the location of the pitch isn’t it easier to just tell him to keep the same swing but to simply tilt more for lower pitches and less for higher pitches while staying connected? Most seem to get it when I explain it this way, show them clips of high-level hitters and demonstrate my own swing in slow motion for them.
Joe
Sure does explain a lot.quote:Originally posted by steve englishbey:
I never did ---as a baseball player[played for 6 yrs up to AAA for the Astros org.] or football player [quarterback ---approx. 25 scholarship offers]
,nor do I now as a teacher of hitting/throwing , or as an exercise trainer--- wear a jock.
Just wanted to correct the record.
steve
Jason
quote:Originally posted by BlueDog:quote:i am begining to think that we think alike on the majority of swing mechanics
No we don't........No torque, no counter-rotation and no concentration on the hips.....Our hitting beliefs are definitely different....Yep, no doubt about it......
The more I learn, the more I think that the differences are minor. But minor changes can make a big difference... so still learning.
Spine angle was not something I thought much about, but after a lot of video checking I see that my guys are doing this (adjusting spine tilt). I always saw this adjustment as shoulder tilt. To use an IP phrase, maybe this isn't "a teach".??? Or we just got lucky and they learned it on their own like the MLB players.
quote:Originally posted by troy99:
The more I learn, the more I think that the differences are minor. But minor changes can make a big difference... so still learning.
Spine angle was not something I thought much about, but after a lot of video checking I see that my guys are doing this (adjusting spine tilt). I always saw this adjustment as shoulder tilt. To use an IP phrase, maybe this isn't "a teach".??? Or we just got lucky and they learned it on their own like the MLB players.
Joe
The more you learn about posture, connection and rotation (PCR), the more you will see that they are interrelated. You can't have one without the other. For example, if your kids are staying connected they have to have the correct posture (and it sounds like that is what happened). There are different ways to teach this stuff and different starting points.
Also, the more you learn about this the more you'll realize that this is just about becoming more "efficient" -- and that will ultimately satisfy your burning question as to just how it is that high-level hitters figured this out without having someone "teach" it to them (they had to otherwise they would have been chewed up in the food-chain). Hence, you'll come full-circle and realize that all you are really doing is giving your kids a tremendous jump-start by teaching it the right way from the start.
Joe
quote:Originally posted by jojab:
The more you learn about posture, connection and rotation (PCR), the more you will see that they are interrelated. You can't have one without the other. For example, if your kids are staying connected they have to have the correct posture (and it sounds like that is what happened).
Joe
OK...agree..... Thanks again
Staying connected is a major "teach" ...I think most (in this current discussion anyway) agree.
This brings to mind a question AGAIN. IP has brushed this aside in the past as unimportant.. our BI thinks otherwise. After contact..is there any value in getting "good extension". Or is this working against what you are teaching? The Rose clip is an example of none...but I see alot of MLB that do. Is this just "style"???
Hope I'm not interrupting or anything...What's up fellas?
LHH/Team USA Utley demonstrated the bend in waist in body posture matching plane of pitch perfectly in the ball he mashed as in deep fly-out to center field. Could see spine adjusting in bodyposture plainly with naked eyes...Outstanding !!!! You can see tilt clearly in regular fast speed clip, it is so obvious. Looks alot like Adam D.-LHH/Reds clip posted here a few days ago. Outstanding and look for Utley to be successful on long-term basis this season. Looks like a everyday player and pure-hitter to me, fo sho bros!
peace,
Shep
LHH/Team USA Utley demonstrated the bend in waist in body posture matching plane of pitch perfectly in the ball he mashed as in deep fly-out to center field. Could see spine adjusting in bodyposture plainly with naked eyes...Outstanding !!!! You can see tilt clearly in regular fast speed clip, it is so obvious. Looks alot like Adam D.-LHH/Reds clip posted here a few days ago. Outstanding and look for Utley to be successful on long-term basis this season. Looks like a everyday player and pure-hitter to me, fo sho bros!
peace,
Shep
Troy, I posted similar question regarding finish i.e. extension vs circular path and would like to hear jojab's take on it as well.
I tend to think it is matter of preference since ya see both used by the pro's but not sure.
I tend to think it is matter of preference since ya see both used by the pro's but not sure.
