MLBPA Announces 5 Round Draft

The NCAA decision will simply be on granting additional eligibility. Their decision should be independent of what the MLB has decided to do.

I am sure the baseball analytics have determined the law of diminishing return on the draft investment and that falls at the 5th round. I think more players will reclassify than expected out of high school.

If you step back, this was a deal between MLB and MLBPA on MLB compensation, service time on how to handle delayed season. The draftees aren’t at the table, nor is MILB. Revenue cut, MLB veterans players first in line. Draftees last in line and an easy cut. 

Some differences from the OP being reported   https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/...-rounds-report-says/

The fear I have is that will stick. Mlb wanted to contract the minors anyway and this could be an ideal starting point for this.

So after a 5 round draft a 20 (instead of 40) round draft wouldn't feel all that bad, wouldn't it?

collegebaseballrecruitingguide posted:

The NCAA decision will simply be on granting additional eligibility. Their decision should be independent of what the MLB has decided to do.

I am sure the baseball analytics have determined the law of diminishing return on the draft investment and that falls at the 5th round. I think more players will reclassify than expected out of high school.

If a players already has 4 years of participating in a High School sport, can they get a 5th year.  

Does it make sense to go to a prep school or IMG Academy like vs attending a JUCO?

PABaseball posted:

Rosenthal says agreement reached. Draft will be 5 rounds. Other comments on social media from baseball guys are saying all undrafted players will be able to sign as a FA for max 20k. An 80% cut. 

I see it as a business decision. No revenue coming in - small draft, money goes towards players salaries. MLB gets what they want and can start eliminating lower Milb levels earlier than they wanted. 

Massive problem for college baseball, especially if seniors are granted another year. Bottom line - players won't be leaving. High schoolers will be coming in. 

I would expect IMG to get a lot of applications in the coming days and I would expect Jucos to get a lot of P5 decommits. 

Yikes

College baseball doesn't really have a problem, they either cut a few more guys or just sit a few more on the bench and play the best guys. Having more options doesn't hurt the headcoaches, who are hurt are the players.

Dominik85 posted:

PABaseball posted:

Rosenthal says agreement reached. Draft will be 5 rounds. Other comments on social media from baseball guys are saying all undrafted players will be able to sign as a FA for max 20k. An 80% cut. 

I see it as a business decision. No revenue coming in - small draft, money goes towards players salaries. MLB gets what they want and can start eliminating lower Milb levels earlier than they wanted. 

Massive problem for college baseball, especially if seniors are granted another year. Bottom line - players won't be leaving. High schoolers will be coming in. 

I would expect IMG to get a lot of applications in the coming days and I would expect Jucos to get a lot of P5 decommits. 

Yikes

College baseball doesn't really have a problem, they either cut a few more guys or just sit a few more on the bench and play the best guys. Having more options doesn't hurt the headcoaches, who are hurt are the players.

The players are always the ones that get hurt. College baseball is going to have a lot of rosters with too many players. Which will result in a lot of unhappy players. If you don’t think that’s going to be a problem you have never coached

adbono posted:

Dominik85 posted:

PABaseball posted:

Rosenthal says agreement reached. Draft will be 5 rounds. Other comments on social media from baseball guys are saying all undrafted players will be able to sign as a FA for max 20k. An 80% cut. 

I see it as a business decision. No revenue coming in - small draft, money goes towards players salaries. MLB gets what they want and can start eliminating lower Milb levels earlier than they wanted. 

Massive problem for college baseball, especially if seniors are granted another year. Bottom line - players won't be leaving. High schoolers will be coming in. 

I would expect IMG to get a lot of applications in the coming days and I would expect Jucos to get a lot of P5 decommits. 

Yikes

College baseball doesn't really have a problem, they either cut a few more guys or just sit a few more on the bench and play the best guys. Having more options doesn't hurt the headcoaches, who are hurt are the players.

The players are always the ones that get hurt. College baseball is going to have a lot of rosters with too many players. Which will result in a lot of unhappy players. If you don’t think that’s going to be a problem you have never coached

I've been thinking along these lines too.  There's a lot of people that believe that expanding rosters somehow makes this better.  With the traditional 35 roster spots, there are already somewhere between 6-8 (some would say more) players on most teams who are already unhappy with their limited roles.  Expanding rosters, with or without additional scholarship money, just means another 4 or 5 guys on the team that are unhappy.  Either way, the same core players are going to get the most innings, it's just means more guys on the bench.

It would be interesting if the NCAA-D1 P5 schools created a JV circuit, similar to High School.

Commencing with P5 JV Championship

Game schedule (Conference Games and 1 or 2 trips). they can travel with the varsity team.

Note, I understand the issues would be:

Fielding a Roster Size. (especially pitching)

Operating Expenses 

Coaches

Fields - ?

etc.

CollegebaseballInsights posted:

It would be interesting if the NCAA-D1 P5 schools created a JV circuit, similar to High School.

Commencing with P5 JV Championship

Game schedule (Conference Games and 1 or 2 trips). they can travel with the varsity team.

Note, I understand the issues would be:

Fielding a Roster Size. (especially pitching)

Operating Expenses 

Coaches

Fields - ?

etc.

I can tell you with 100% certainty that D1 players (especially at top 50 programs) have zero interest in playing a JV circuit 

adbono posted:

CollegebaseballInsights posted:

It would be interesting if the NCAA-D1 P5 schools created a JV circuit, similar to High School.

Commencing with P5 JV Championship

Game schedule (Conference Games and 1 or 2 trips). they can travel with the varsity team.

Note, I understand the issues would be:

Fielding a Roster Size. (especially pitching)

Operating Expenses 

Coaches

Fields - ?

etc.

I can tell you with 100% certainty that D1 players (especially at top 50 programs) have zero interest in playing a JV circuit 

Understood. 

Then it will be simple:

- stay try to earn a spot (most likely get minimal reps). and/or get redshirted.

Transfer to:

- another 4 year school (non p5) or lower division

- JUCO Program

CollegebaseballInsights posted:

adbono posted:

CollegebaseballInsights posted:

It would be interesting if the NCAA-D1 P5 schools created a JV circuit, similar to High School.

Commencing with P5 JV Championship

Game schedule (Conference Games and 1 or 2 trips). they can travel with the varsity team.

Note, I understand the issues would be:

Fielding a Roster Size. (especially pitching)

Operating Expenses 

Coaches

Fields - ?

etc.

I can tell you with 100% certainty that D1 players (especially at top 50 programs) have zero interest in playing a JV circuit 

Understood. 

Then it will be simple:

- stay try to earn a spot (most likely get minimal reps). and/or get redshirted.

Transfer to:

- another 4 year school (non p5) or lower division

- JUCO Program

 

Many (including me) think that there will be an unprecedented amount of transfers. Which is a tricky proposition as you really don’t know what you are getting into until you are already there. 

adbono posted:

CollegebaseballInsights posted:

adbono posted:

CollegebaseballInsights posted:

It would be interesting if the NCAA-D1 P5 schools created a JV circuit, similar to High School.

Commencing with P5 JV Championship

Game schedule (Conference Games and 1 or 2 trips). they can travel with the varsity team.

Note, I understand the issues would be:

Fielding a Roster Size. (especially pitching)

Operating Expenses 

Coaches

Fields - ?

etc.

I can tell you with 100% certainty that D1 players (especially at top 50 programs) have zero interest in playing a JV circuit 

Understood. 

Then it will be simple:

- stay try to earn a spot (most likely get minimal reps). and/or get redshirted.

Transfer to:

- another 4 year school (non p5) or lower division

- JUCO Program

 

Many (including me) think that there will be an unprecedented amount of transfers. Which is a tricky proposition as you really don’t know what you are getting into until you are already there. 

I would agree.  The issue will be where do you transfer?

Game of musically chair.

Who will have openings?

NLI's already in place.

The talk of moving the NCAA vote to June is just another screw to the incoming freshmen.  No idea what they are walking into.

baseballhs posted:

The talk of moving the NCAA vote to June is just another screw to the incoming freshmen.  No idea what they are walking into.

You would be wise to look into a JuCo option. In your case one that has a track record of developing pitchers. Send me a PM if you want a suggestion 

Where to transfer is exactly the issue. I could easily see a player transferring from one bad situation right into another one 

They are now saying 2021 is also a five round draft. Complete joke.

adbono posted:

Dominik85 posted:

PABaseball posted:

Rosenthal says agreement reached. Draft will be 5 rounds. Other comments on social media from baseball guys are saying all undrafted players will be able to sign as a FA for max 20k. An 80% cut. 

I see it as a business decision. No revenue coming in - small draft, money goes towards players salaries. MLB gets what they want and can start eliminating lower Milb levels earlier than they wanted. 

Massive problem for college baseball, especially if seniors are granted another year. Bottom line - players won't be leaving. High schoolers will be coming in. 

I would expect IMG to get a lot of applications in the coming days and I would expect Jucos to get a lot of P5 decommits. 

Yikes

College baseball doesn't really have a problem, they either cut a few more guys or just sit a few more on the bench and play the best guys. Having more options doesn't hurt the headcoaches, who are hurt are the players.

The players are always the ones that get hurt. College baseball is going to have a lot of rosters with too many players. Which will result in a lot of unhappy players. If you don’t think that’s going to be a problem you have never coached

Do the teams need to bring all seniors back or is there just the option of bringing them back? I think either way this won't be that much of an issue. Many seniors without a scholarship won't be able to afford a 5th year and coaches will probably make some of the weaker seniors quit by telling them basically there will be almost no playing time for them. Now some might still come back even if it is only 5 at Bats all year but many will probably quit if they are told they are not needed. I think coaches will find a way to use this situation to create the best roster possible.

It will definitely create some unhappy players but I think coaches will be able to resolve that.

I would not be surprised if last year was the last 40 round draft we have seen and in the future it only will be 15-20 rounds.from a player dev perspective it probably makes sense as scouting and development got more effective and needs less quantity now but it will suck for the communities who lose minor league ball. Short term this saves money but for long term fan generation that isn't great especially since mlb is hardly affordable for many families.