More Mental Approach-Guess? Yes!

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Originally posted by Quincy:
I offerred suggestion on him improving his game and you get in a huff.

You seem to be a bit off the mark.

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Quincy - no huff here my friend.

Just giving you my perspective - and a glimpse into my competitive determination.

Now - be nice - and have fun.

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Originally posted by Chameleon:
You gotta s u c k up a little more before I bite.

How much more? (IMO - Everything in life is ultimately a deal)

LOL

P.S. For what it is worth - I thought that stuff you posted was great for the young kids out there reading this forum.

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Quincy,

What was your approach when you hit? If it's 3-1 with the bases loaded and the pitcher hasn't thrown any offspeed for strikes, what do you suggest? Use a touch of mysticism?

Three and one bases loaded would be in the hands of the coaches.

If given the green light, I would crowd the plate and look outside to drive something to righht.

Quincy,

You're right, those stats would be looked at differently at the MLB level...they would mean more! What's your point? I know I need to work on things, I am just not going to you for help.

"Three and one bases loaded would be in the hands of the coaches."

Again, you prove your lack of knowledge. I don't know what level that you would have to look for a green light on 3 and 1, but that decision is up to the hitter,, not the coach. Maybe you give your players a take 3-1, but I have never got a take on 3-1, and niether has any other team I have ever played against at ANY LEVEL.

Stop polluting this thread

No lack of knowledge on that statement. You aren't on your own in many cases until you have two strikes in that situation.

I mentioned that maybe you should ask the better hitters on your team for help.

I'd like to see you hitting .300 to advance.

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Beemax,

I'm now a big fan and will follow you. I tell my son, who is now a pitcher, that baseball is a process. He doesn't think about getting good enough to play at the MLB level. He wants to be good enough to get there, continue playing, make the all-star team, make the Hall of Fame.

You have a great approach to the game. You are obviously really talented and I cannot wait to see you hit in the major leagues.

Sorry for some disrespect on this board. Just ignore it and keep on keeping on.

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Originally posted by Quincy:
You aren't on your own in many cases until you have two strikes in that situation.

Huh?

That bears absolutely no resemblance to anything I - or my sons - have ever experienced playing this game.

Actually - I cant think of even ONE time a take sign was given in that situation.

Not one.

You talking about baseball?

Here's your test its.

Quincy,

"No lack of knowledge on that statement. You aren't on your own in many cases until you have two strikes in that situation."

Wrong.

You can't be serious with that. If you are, it proves your lack of knowledge. End of argument.

"I mentioned that maybe you should ask the better hitters on your team for help."

Where do you think I get MY knowledge from? I am always talking hitting with my teammates, coaches, and whoever else I can.

"I'd like to see you hitting .300 to advance."

Me too!

Quincy,

Sometimes we love ya...
Sometimes we hate your guts! (not really)

One thing for sure, you sure are interesting!

beemax,

No need for thanks. It always amazed me when your dad would spend time to post on here. Most professionals wouldn't spend any time trying to help others on here. You and your brother are "chips off the block".

My son (also a pro at the time) came on here years ago... Got into a disagreement where someone told him he didn't have a clue. He said... This is stupid... **** these idiots... and he never has posted since. It's too bad because he has a lot of experience that might help those who would want to listen.

PG,

Thanks again. My brother and I just enjoy talking baseball on here. It's as much for my help and enjoyment as it is for you and anyone else. If we can get past some of this nonesense, I'd love to go more in-depth about the mental approach.

Beemax,

Take it from an old HSbbweb hack - Ultimately - we always get past the nonsense. One way or the other - the nonsense goes away. LOL

And the mental part of the game - every single part of the game - is the best part IMO.

quincy

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You talk a better game than your stats infer.

You talk a weak game, have no stats, no history, no reason, no knowledge, no experience, and have never ever been able to show any proof of your lies as being even remotely relevent in baseball. Other than that your posts have been great and really informative!

Quincy you have proven so many times during this thread that you have #1 Never played the game #2 Are 100% clueless when it comes to baseball #3 Relentless in your pursuit to prove #1 and #2.

The Green Light on 3-1 with the bases loaded.
Make contact as the front foot is landing.

Its amazing you have the guts to keep coming back with more stuff after these two beauties.

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Originally posted by Quincy:
I'd call it sad when a player at the low end of the game thinks they are at the top of their game.

Maybe if he used the swing he'd hit three hundred for once.

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I think it's sad a player who has played college and pro ball is getting dumped on for sharing his view of the world. That low end pro is in that gifted less than 1% who once dreamed of playing pro ball as younger players. If someone has issues with his approach it could make a great debate. I'd like to see anyone's position who thinks differently stated in articulate form.

One post has Beemax saying he thought his original post would generate more reponses. I don't have anything to debate with him. It's the four main points I've made about hitting for years. I've coached up to 18U and helped place players in college ball. I now coach 15U. Just this last weekend I was emphasized paying attention to the game and learning pitchers.

I stay away from most hitting threads since they tend to turn into ****ing matches based on who worships which mechanics guru. I thought a thread on hitting philosophy would be interesting.

Just to jump into the fray, as I read I did get a couple of chuckles or LOL's from Quincy ....

1) 3-1 isn't up to the coach most of the time. While the decision will depend on some scenarios, most of the time it's "find your pitch and drive it."

2) Looking for an outside pitch to hit the other way on 3-1? Now I know you're playing with the people in this thread.

Please don't delete Quincy's humor in this thread. Tomorrow night at BP I can tell the other coaches, "You won't believe what some guy said to do with the 3-1 pitch on a board I was reading."

When exhorting a player to improve his game is considered 'dumping on him' I'll accept the criticism as reasonable.

I get a chuckle at some of the other criticism when what I have said is fundamental to a well played game.

We don't have to agree, but we should keep an open mind. There are things that sounded strange to me but when I have seen them get the desired results, I rethink my position.

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I get a chuckle at some of the other criticism when what I have said is fundamental to a well played game.

I get a chuckle just considering "foot touch/contact" at the same time, and "3-1 crowd the plate and go oppo if light is green" as being fundamental to a well played game. Your sense of humor is epic.

Quincy

I have sat back a bit here and watched you make a complete fool of yourself--it is in the coaches hands on the 3-1 count--you have to be kidding but then perhaps you never got past T-ball--the pitcher needs the 3-1 pitch to be a strike more than the batter does--it is usually a good pitch to hit--but then perhaps you dont trust your hitters if you in fact actually coach a team


DEE


That is not humor that is sheer lack of baseball knowledge


I will tell you this--if we gave one of our hitters the take sign on 3-1 with the bases loaded he would call time out and come tell the third base coach he was crazy---this is MY pitch !!!

This just shows the difference between a top flight ball game and mediocre one.

Or another way to put it, the difference between a championship team and a team that isn't.

I kind of like how the part about crowding the plate was conveniently left out.

On a strictly baseball stance, a three and one count is an option count of take or swing. A lefty may get the geen light more often than a righty. A righty would have the propensity to hit a ball to the left side or third base which would create an easy double play scenario. A righty should be aiming to the right side if the location of the pitch is conducive to hitting that way in this situation. Crowding the plate creates two options among many, 1) the batter may be hit by the pitch getting a base (taking one for the team) or 2) the pitch will be outside and the batter can drive it to the right side.

It's called creating the edge, try it some time.

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QUINCY


Here is how we create the edge---we let our hitters have the green light on the 3-1 count, especially with the bases loaded---WE TRUST OUR HITTERS ABILITY

By the way you still have to answer the question--who and where are your hitting pupils?

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On a strictly baseball stance, a three and one count is an option count of take or swing.

Just like every other count. Again, Im on to your humor now and I dig it! Keep it up!

"3-1 in the coaches hands" lolololololol

Q - I know who you are.....





Beemax, thanks for posting in here, it is very appreciated!!

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Originally posted by Quincy:
This just shows the difference between a top flight ball game and mediocre one.

Or another way to put it, the difference between a championship team and a team that isn't.

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Quincy,

WHO HAVE YOU TAUGHT AND WHERE ARE THEY AT?

I believe the edge has already been created, the batter has worked himself into a positive count in that most likely he will see a fastball- pretty good pitch to drive, but no way are`we as coaches going to put the hitter in any kind of passive mode and put the take on.

I can honestly say that I have never taught a person how to run, swing a bat or catch a ball. People know how to do these things by the age of five.

What I have done is give people tips to improve what they do naturally to get the results they are looking for.

To take credit for another's ability is rather disingenuous in my view.

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Originally posted by Quincy:
I can honestly say that I have never taught a person how to run, swing a bat or catch a ball. People know how to do these things by the age of five.

You're just trying to get a rise out of the board? Right?

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You're just trying to get a rise out of the board? Right?

Yes, he is just pulling everyones leg.

Quincy,

To your quote:

"I can honestly say that I have never taught a person how to run, swing a bat or catch a ball. People know how to do these things by the age of five."

Fine. You have never TAUGHT anyone. Okay. But saying that any five year old already knows how to do these things is ridiculous.

Next,

"What I have done is give people tips to improve what they do naturally to get the results they are looking for.
To take credit for another's ability is rather disingenuous in my view."

Okay, WHO have you given TIPS to? I'm not asking you to take credit for others ability. I'm asking you to prove your competence here. Have you seen results from teaching (or giving a tip to) someone to make contact as the front foot hits? Or to use a touch of mysticism?

You are right, to take credit for someone's abilities IS disingenuous. To give the advice you try to give with no evidence of it working is PURE FRAUD.

Every person who has applied the tips that I offer see the results at the first opportunity.

Tampa is a great baseball town. You can meet and have converstion with ballplayers from Little League right on up to MLB.

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Originally posted by Quincy:
Every person who has applied the tips that I offer see the results at the first opportunity.

Tampa is a great baseball town. You can meet and have converstion with ballplayers from Little League right on up to MLB.

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This comment is waaaay out there. Padded walls & no doorknobs kind of sh1tt. wow!

I don't want to pile on here, but this is getting ridiculous.

Ridiculous in a wonderful sense.

How about a Hall of Famer as an assistant high school coach who talks with the fans and signs autographs?

Wonderful baseball town.

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Quincy,

Do you mind giving a straight answer? Like maybe one guy who you can say you helped by name? Why do you insist on being so vague any time someone asks you to prove your accountability? Lets not forget this quote from you a while back when I asked you if you ever played...

"Let it suffice to say that I was offerred some money at a time when money wasn't that great.
I felt that if I wanted to be traveling the country and being away from home for little money, I might as well join the circus."

Haha

I don't help anybody.

They help themselves.

I've even had conversation about baseball with the melodic sleeper while he was playing travel ball a couple years back.

I'd rather people try the suggestions rather than make a memorable impression.

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Quincy,

Ok, enough. Get off this thread. I'm tired of responding to your incoherent garbage. I'm ready to talk about the mental approach to the game again, with people on here that want to be serious about the game.

QUINCY

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I don't help anybody.

They help themselves.

This about sums it up (heavy emphasis on "dont help anybody"). Any more Yoda-esque hitting advice? Thanks again for the laughs, your the best.

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Originally posted by Quincy:
I don't help anybody. They help themselves.

Be the ball. nahnahnahnahnahnahnahnahnnnnnn

Okay,

Any other thoughts, questions, or anything on the mental approach?