MSABC - Nomination Process -

I concur with Trepfan.

The old school Maryland State Association of Baseball Coaches would have done the right thing (and have in the past).

The several HS kids you are referring to are so deserving as the Top Shelf Maryland players, (both on and off the field), the young MSABC "Exec" Board should be ashamed of themselves (and resign), but will not.

Summary, the new "Exec Board" of the Maryland State Association of Baseball Coaches are very very misinformed (and both on and off the field). The two 'coaches' from Montgomery County should apologize to all players, coaches, and fans not only in the great state of Maryland, yet within in the Greater Washington DC-Maryland-Virginia Metropolitan area. (Or better yet, take their heads out of the sand)

Sure it is stupid but then again -- look who is running the show at MSABC and what their primary interest is --- not to showcase the best players residing in Maryland but to look for excuses to limit the field -- ignore the Perfect Game/Baseball Amercica rankings for the State of Maryland, ignore All-American designations (Alfac/Rawlings/Under Armor) from the State of Maryland, ignore that they reside in the State of Maryland and have been ranked as high school players from the State of Maryland, ignore that many of their high school games are played in the State of Maryland against other State of Maryland High Schools --- ignore that they played travel ball in the State of Maryland (BCC), ignore the fact that past baseball players residing in the State of Maryland that attended Washington DC prep schools were included in the past.......

No the current MSABC leadership want to have a shot at promoting their kids from their respective high schools and to seek "bi-laws" that limit the pool of candidates ....despite the fact that several of the other kids residing in the State of Maryland but excluded are ranked no.1 and no.2 by Perfect Game and top twenty in the US by Baseball American for high schools players from the State of Maryland --- but will not be considered because the "revised" bi-laws prohibit them because they attend a prep school in DC (although they reside in the State of Maryland and are recognized by Aflac, Rawlings, Under Armor, Perfect Game, Baseball America etc.) as high school baseball players from the State of Maryland.

To bad -- because it cheapens the honor and overall purpose of the honorary designation and lowers the overall skill of the team representing the State of Maryland in national events.

You guys make me laugh. Let's start with Bear. Bear is very bitter because he isn't allowed in the MSABC anymore, since he isn't a coach. He used to come to the meetings and spew out information like it was fact. Sometimes he was correct on a kids ability or who might be looking at them college wise. However, many times he had no clue and had major miss information. Coaches were laughing at him when he would say "Joe Smith from Apple HS has a scholarship offer to Arizona St." And many times they couldn't be farther from the truth. So now he isn't allowed to attend the meetings and vote like he had in the past and he wants to run hard working guys names in the dirt. These guys aren't perfect, and they don't claim to be, however the MSABC is more organized then it ever has been. Bear, stop living in the past. Don't let some of the good things you do for young baseball players in the MD area get ruined by you spouting off garbage about guys that are actually trying to make HS baseball in MD better.
TrepFan- stop crying, those St. John's kids choose to go to school there so be it. If you go to school in a different "state" then you shouldn't be included. If a MD kid goes to play baseball in for University of Texas, he will be included in the Big 12 preseason awards, he doesn't get included in the ACC award bec. he lives in MD. And as a matter of fact, there are awards and honors that only kids from DC get.....Last time I checked they would be eligble for that. Stop crying. I don't care what their other awards are or where PG has them rated....Good for PG. Here is another question, how can St. John's not win it all last year with the 9 Division 1 kids? That might be unheard of.

Let me start by saying I have only been a member for about 5 years but in that time I think the leaders during that time have done a great job. As for Bear I applaud the fact he is trying to get kids exposure any way he can. As for the kids living in MD. but playing in D.C. I think it is a shame but I can see the point that it is a Maryland Assosciation. Maybe there needs to be a chapter started in just D.C. with the winner of the Brooks game playing the winner of the D.C. chapter and rotate it between Camden Yards and the Nationals stadium.

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Originally posted by Terp_Pride:
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Terp_Pride:

Should you want to step up to the plate and identify yourself many readers, such as Coach King, and others would benefit from your information.

(However, the over-under, (should history repeat itself) is 2009 ....before the posting of your 3rd blog. I took the under!)

May this serve as your Twelve Days of Christmas!
(but then that by itself requires a cost-benefit examination.)

With regards to your acusations, assumptions and perceptions: there a differing view points of many, and I know I have my own.

However, since any ink is better than no ink, thanks.

Several of the 'old school' MSABC members (contrary to you being very misinformed) have requested my attendance at the Dec 11 meeting at Crofton Middle school. (As so stated: since the 'new' MSABC has received, taken and spent my 2007 dues.

And some of the aging MSABC members have not seen any email announcing requests for 2008 dues, nor any email listing the player nominees for 2008 Pre-Season. (Organized? lol)

And the "Twelve Days" are:
1) I returned to an active HS coaching status
(just in case you are reporting status, but then who really asks or desires to find out before the MSABC Exec makes up stuff for such decisions. (Organized ? LOL ).

2) A reserve status was probably due to:
heart attack,
stroke,
respitory distress,
high blood pressure,
diabetes,
protesthis, and recently, an
enlarging prostate.
I received a good report from the Colonoscopy exam (and strongly suggest you seek such services, if of age) however results from the endoscopic retrograde cholangio-pancreatography were less than remarkable (which is a good thing). And since you wanted to know, the senility comes and goes as the task of remembering which fricking color and size pill or liquid to take, I really would benefit from a game time scorecard.

3) Will (you or the MSABC) be nominating Joe Smith from Apple HS this year?

4) I was pleased to hear my Dec 2006 MSABC nominations for
- MSABC 2007 Media Person of the Year
- MCABC 2007 Female Executive of the Year
were honored at the 2007 MSABC Banquet.
I have known each of these fine individuals for a long time, and each required recognition for their development of youth and amateur baseball.
(Organized? lol)

5) It was dissapointing to hear my Dec 2006 player nomination for the 2007 Pre-season Team was accepted but not considered by the MSABC.
Maybe you did not hear this fine young man (who went to school and live in Maryland) was honored as the 2007 Washington Post All-Met Player of the Year

6) I believe in altruism.
Not to bore you, yet not as a superior moral faculty that suppresses basic selfish urges (as you may believe) but as a basis for the elementary pleasures provided by the cost-benefit relationship of human cooperation from past experiences as it is examined for acting together to gain resources from other groups at this challenging time in history.

7) In other words, I have been helping and (hopefully) developing youth, amateur, and professional baseball players in the great state of Maryland, on and off the field, for a lifetime.

Should this be what you believe is "living in the past", then I think some just might be sorry for you.

I have never had any desire to 'run hard working guys names in the dirt' and vehemently take exception.
Republicans, altruist, serviceman & Chevrolet's don't do that.
Democrat's with ego's do.

7) Knowing and understanding the past (IMHO) is a good thing.
It helps know where some have been, what were their challenges and alternatives to such decision making, how the information supports planning courses of action, and offers guidance to what and where next headings, the how's and why's are a few of the key performance parameters. (Kind of like coaching a baseball game, ya think?) Organized ? (lol)

8) Would you happen to sell health and life insurance?

9) In my vocation, there is a phrase on the door (or in the clubhouse).
'Words Have Meaning'. (Organized? lol)

10) The last metric on the number of public and private schools in the Great State of Maryland was 480. In 2006, ~ eighteen HS were represented at the 2006 Dec Meeting. That's < 4%. (Organized? lol)

11) Any over-under for the # of HS's representated at the Dec 2007 MSABC
meeting? Since I went under last time, I'm might do the same.

12) Will your apology to the Greater Washington DC-Maryland-Virginia Metropolitan area be in a carol "Hark! the herald angels sing" . Does this mean I might be seeing your Christmas card hanging over the fireplace this year?

Good luck to you sir (or m'amm).

Merry Christmas

cheers,

Bear

ps. How does sand taste?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Spike:
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Coach,

Efforts are in the embrionic stage, but not as a chapter as stated.

Telecon's continue.
Meetings planned to:
- visit the new Stadium with the Clark Contruction family who has mentioned it to the Lerner family.
(that is if a big enough hard hat can be located for my bucket)
- Line-item budgets are in discussion
- High level schedules and concepts being discussed.
- And should every one involved so far have any say, it won't be closed.
- A concern being expressed in a draft charter is never desiring to place any HS player in the middle of making a conflicting decision, should that ever be the case.


It could remind me of the ol'days when Martz Insurance pitched, hit and ran over Leonies/Johnnie's! (Organized? lol)

Who remembers the Baltimore Old'Timers?

cheers
Bear

is there any way to see a list of who was nominated

Wow Bear another post that is all over the place? If you are coaching again then thats great, glad to see there. Hopefully this won't turn into another "Whatever Bear says must be true meeting" I think Jason is doing a great job, in the past I never even new there was all state voting among other things. Those guys did the best they could do at the time. It is a thankless job. I think Jason is doing a great job. Not everyone is going to agree on everything. There isn't a organization out there that does. My issue is when someone like yourself is out there blasting a guy that is working hard for kids. Since you will be in attendence will you be "blasting the current MSABC officers? Will you be letting all of the MSABC know your concerns? I hope you do, I would like to hear how that goes. For everything 2 good things you do for kids, do you 3 dumb things.

Excellent post Bear -- Sounds like Terp Pride is part of the group of fathers/coaches from MSABC that want to ignore the best players residing in Maryland and play the "loop-hole" game. Why would the MSABC not want to showcase kids that reside in Maryland, are recognized by all of the major scouting services as living in Maryland --- (PG, Baseball Amercia, Aflac etc) that have received All-American.......designations (Rawlings, Alfac, Under Armor) and are RANKED No.1 and No.2 in the State of Maryland ---

Wow Trepfan you just don't get it. Who cares what awards they have one and what PG has them ranked. The MSABC is a state school organization. It takes kids from state schools. Not a hard concept. Those kids are great players, and have numerous honors. Congrats to them, but there has to be some kind of cut off for these things. The MSABC's cutoff is you have to go a school in MD. Every league or association has rules for these kinds of things. I am pretty sure if a kid who lives in Northern VA and goes to Dematha, I don't think he is eligble for the Commonweatlh Games or All state honors in VA. Does that make their lists less repituble? No, of course not. Here is what I think the issue is, someone at St. John's either a coach/parent/or kid is only worried about honors and awards. If you can't figure this out, then you really need some help mentally. And by the way still shocked that they couldn't win the league last year with those 9 division 1 players.

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Originally posted by Terp_Pride:

So you liked the gift of twelve days of Christmas.
It's just that you were unable to capture all of the knowledge?

Holy cow, you gave me 40%.
I'll take 40% every day, and twice on Sunday.
(I knew that deep down inside you loved the Bear.)

Just think about what 40% does:
1. My ROI in 2006 was about 24%

2. My ROI in 2007 may be (and with a 14000 DOW)
closer to 20%

3. Of all the players in Maryland, seeing 40%
play at the next level.

4. Mr. Williams went by 40%.....once

5. 40% in better health last year than than next year could keep me around for a 30 year retirement.

6. A fourty percent raise....... Sweet.

7. In 2006, ~ 4% of the Maryland HS represented at the 2006 Dec Meeting. At 40%, a bigger place is needed than a Middle School (don't you teach there?)

Hey, I won the first over-and-under.
Can I double down for the second over-under. (I choose the under, remember.)

However, just to keep you from being mis-informed.

And since it's not about me, it's not about you, it's not about Woodyard, it is all about the players. Period

Scott Silverstein is a special, special baseball player.

I recently replied to Coach McElfish the following:
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I believe he will be an early rounder (and as I also believe) could become as notable as the following pro players (the exception being the two 1st round picks who made the bigs and stayed there: Harold Baines #1 pick in '77 W Sox & Eric Milton 1st round NYY) ):

(And to just write and consider him as the Top of the Top Maryland players demonstrates how talented and projectable this HS lefty is)

01. Mark Teixeira
02. Jimmy Foxx
03. Tom Bradley (7th rounder - College)
04. Ron Svoboda
05. Gavin Floyd
06. Genie Hiser (1st round- College)
07. Bobby Grossman (2nd -College)
08. Brett Cecil (1st rounder - College)
09. Bob Ferris (2nd College)
10. Jimmy Norris (2nd - College
11. Phil Corddry
12. Justin Maxwell (4th rounder-College)
13. John Hetrick (1st round -College)
14. John McCurdy (1st rounder - College)

Do you recognize those names?

(And I probably left off lots of other top players, like the Ciardi brothers, Schaeffer, Chorye Spoone, Steven Johnson (Dave's boy), Brandon Erbe others like yours.

Spike, overall Scott Silverstein is that legit. He's been playing youth, pre-teen, and teenager baseball in Montgomery County since birth. From 2005-2006 he took a big jump (6 mph) in skill, strength, and desire. In 2007 he took a bigger jump (10 mph). He should begin throwing again next Monday (Dec 10) yet brings with him an arsenal at 93-95 (late movement), a pro slider (also an outpitch at 81-83 and late movement), and a MF change with two speeds and both sides of the plate, and with a 75 rating for command, with a soft touch, and with a power arm (and injury free), I see him signing, (yet with a 3.85 GPA, may not be ready for the minor-league bus rides and attending UVA is not a questionable fall back position).

Your idea is interesting.
Good chatting with you. Thanks for listening
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Cheers,
Bear

p.s What info you got to keep this from getting 40% boring?

If it's that important that this kid be on the MSABC Pre-Season All State team, I'm sure Coach Spike could find room on his roster this spring. It looks like the kid has the grades to compete at that magnet school and I think his top two pitchers gradusted last year, too. There, it's settled.

And St John's will still have 8 D1 players, he'll hardly be missed. They'll still win the league, going away.

Bear no one wants to hear your mind nubbing dribble. Who knows where you get that **** from. That last post ranks up there with some of your other ramblings that don't make sense. Not shocked though, you have a habit of doing that. I will keep it simple for you, since you come onto this message board and blast the current MSABC officers, will you blast them to their face at the meeting? Let me know how that goes....

Bear,
Rules are rules, Scott doesn't go to a school in maryland so there for why would he be on the All State team. And honestly what does the pre-season all state team mean to a guy who is pre season all american. Last thing 93-95 thats a little exagerration.

quote:

Originally posted by Bear:
Coach,
Efforts are in the embrionic stage, but not as a chapter as stated.
Telecon's continue.
Meetings planned to:
- visit the new Stadium with the Clark Contruction family who has mentioned it to the Lerner family.
(that is if a big enough hard hat can be located for my bucket)
- Line-item budgets are in discussion
- High level schedules and concepts being discussed.
- And should every one involved so far have any say, it won't be closed.
- A concern being expressed in a draft charter is never desiring to place any HS player in the middle of making a conflicting decision, should that ever be the case.
It could remind me of the ol'days when Martz Insurance pitched, hit and ran over Leonies/Johnnie's! (Organized? lol)
Who remembers the Baltimore Old'Timers?
cheers

Bear

Bear, This sounds exciting. I am not familiar with baseball in DC so I guess I am a "Rookie" in your vernacular, but by your reference to the new Nats’ stadium, are you saying that a MD vs. DC HS All-star game will be played in the new Stadium?
"Line-item budgets" - does that mean there is a group of people that have formally met and are preparing a budget for such a HS All-star game? Does that mean they are preparing to look for sponsors?
"High level schedules" being discussed - who is involved? The Nats? DC Gov't (stadium owner)? Leaders in DC and MD High schools?
"Every one involved" have a say, it won't be closed - Who is involved? I would hope that if they are involved they would be for the proposal - not against it.
"Draft charter" - Sounds like the process is pretty far along.

Since you are bringing this up in a public forum, I would suppose you are involved and have authorization to make these discussions public. Do you have any more details?

It would be great to have a game (or series - one at Nat's one at O's) like this. Is there a NCAA limit on the number of All-Star games that a student can participate in?

Based on your posts, sounds like you were involved in MD baseball a long time ago. And since I am a “Rookie,“ I don’t understand most of your cryptic abbreviations and obscure references - a lot of what you post is unclear to me. Have you been involved in MD HS age baseball recently (other than as an observer)? Did you manage or coach a team last year? Scout for an organization? Another thread indicated that you didn't have your tournament (named after you) last year - are there plans for 2008?

I grew up in MD and enjoy HS baseball. Was at the MSABC Classic at Stone in 2007 - but didn't get to see a couple of players I was thought might be there. Were you there? Might be nice to hear some of your stories and recollections of the old days.

Old Fox

P.S. Happy 56th birthday.

Terp_Pride:

Believe me --- I "get it" loud and clear -- sounds like you either have a kid in the Maryland School System or you are a coach in the Maryland School system -- searching for recogition even though the kids that will be selected WILL NOT BE THE BEST players residing in Maryland -- "GET IT" ----

You are right -- the kids excluded have been selected as National All-Americans and will be playing for top twenty D-I colleges so it will over shadow the local inherently flawed MSABC process.

Take care and enjoy your "local" moment in the sun.

Bear seems to be a bear of a story teller. In his post about the MSABC pre season team he seems to think he knows the list. As far as I no the list isn't out and the one he published isn't right. Also on the list he published of the players and the committed colleges - some of the schools are wrong. (At least for a few)

Not to jump on the 'Bear is full of BS bandwagon', but of this list he published of the top HS kids in MD, the colleges some of these kids are going to aren't even correct. Makes you wonder where he gets his info...

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Originally posted by scout10:
In his post about the MSABC pre season team he seems to think he knows the list.

Dear scout: I did not recently post about the Maryland State Association of Baseball Coaches All-State (MSABC) pre-season team! So should I just think about the G, then the F, and end with the U (or maybe you can read after all)?

Dear Mr. Miller: I won't make any opinion about anyone's decisions to transfer from an excellent public school and pitcher (in his time, and friend) coach i.e. at Howard HS, or that I voted for your son two (?) years ago for the pre-season Maryland State Association of Baseball Coaches All-State team, and I am happy to hear your son's arm injury recovered and look forward to watching him pitch this year, and hope he will stick to his plan as a ME graduate, yet I may consider accepting guff from the best part of the Miller family, Deb, not your cr&p (apologies are accepted).