NCAA Loses their minds

I guess when everybody gets participation trophies the world gets pretty soft

http://www.ncaa.org/about/reso...spring-championships
and here’s the link. 
IMO, this is a rash decision. It should be week to week. 

The NCAA is trying to prevent your children and your families from getting ill. This country was not and is not prepared.

Who has lost their minds are our senators and congressman. Get them on the phone or send email,  attend a town hall meeting and let them know how you  really feel.

The sooner they shut everything down, the better.  We can maybe get back to normal sooner.  

Without a CWS (and known well in advance to encourage schools to shut down their season) perhaps the NCAA is laying ground for an additional year of eligibility?  Could change the landscape of recruiting for the next 28months....

Geezmom posted:

The sooner they shut everything down, the better.  We can maybe get back to normal sooner.  

This might actually be true. That is why I am so opposed to canceling stuff 3 months away. 

I’m praying the eligibility is extended. My senior son is devastated that his baseball career abruptly came to a screeching halt.  Wondering how it will work out of they would give this year back to them or......issue some sort of extension to those impacted.  Would love to hear everyone voice on this. 

#1bballmomfan posted:

I’m praying the eligibility is extended. My senior son is devastated that his baseball career abruptly came to a screeching halt.  Wondering how it will work out of they would give this year back to them or......issue some sort of extension to those impacted.  Would love to hear everyone voice on this. 

 Not saying I’m for or against ...How many seniors would go back an extra year just to play another season? How many parents would pay for an extra year of college just so their kid could play? It would be worth it if a kid is legitimate grad school material.

I do come from some experience. My son lost his senior year of high school soccer to injury. He missed his fifth year senior year of college baseball to injury. He found out it was over the first week of February in a doctor’s office. He was hoping to play. Instead he had a second surgery in June. So the scenarios are similar. 

Well, they can shut stuff down like they should have weeks ago, or more kids can plan to go their grandparents funerals.  And I don't think that's hyperbole at this point, the growth curve on the virus in the US is absurd and we're following the Italian path with 10 times the population and none of the preparation.

That aside, I am interested in where things are going to go eligibility wise.  My senior had already suffered a season-ending injury and was planning on getting a redshirt (and exploring a hardship waiver to get a sixth year, since he already has a freshman redshirt) to potentially retain eligibility in grad school.  Their season was officially canceled today. He's already got 3 grad school offers at schools he might be able to sneak into the bullpen for, and where having two years left might be a plus.

I would think the NCAA would have little to lose by extending eligibility for everyone losing a season to this, which is probably why they won't, of course, being them.

Here’s another angle? What will college coaches want?

Well damn, I guess we're one of the few baseball families that are like "eh" about the whole thing, given the kid was sitting out due to transferring mid-season. Here's hoping the NCAA at least offers seniors an extra year of eligibility, but I wouldn't hold my breath. At least that's our experience with them and their draconian rules. 

TPM posted:

The NCAA is trying to prevent your children and your families from getting ill. This country was not and is not prepared.

Who has lost their minds are our senators and congressman. Get them on the phone or send email,  attend a town hall meeting and let them know how you  really feel.

This is rich. Get your senators on the phone and bitch about why they aren't prepared for a virus that didn't exist a few weeks ago...demand vaccines from an industry that is among the slowest moving fields that has countless levels of regulated testing and studies involved to get any new drug released.

Demand they no how you feel about China attempting to thin down its population and it getting out of control.

you should loud proud and make sure that everyone knows you are scared to death of the monster under your bed and we all are going to act like a 3yr old throwing a tantrum until we are certain there is plenty of toilet paper available for all. 

old_school posted:

TPM posted:

The NCAA is trying to prevent your children and your families from getting ill. This country was not and is not prepared.

Who has lost their minds are our senators and congressman. Get them on the phone or send email,  attend a town hall meeting and let them know how you  really feel.

This is rich. Get your senators on the phone and bitch about why they aren't prepared for a virus that didn't exist a few weeks ago...demand vaccines from an industry that is among the slowest moving fields that has countless levels of regulated testing and studies involved to get any new drug released.

Demand they no how you feel about China attempting to thin down its population and it getting out of control.

you should loud proud and make sure that everyone knows you are scared to death of the monster under your bed and we all are going to act like a 3yr old throwing a tantrum until we are certain there is plenty of toilet paper available for all. 

Sure, ad hominem, that's the way to solve everything.

The title of this thread is very misleading....The whole damn world has lost it's mind.

jacjacatk posted:

old_school posted:

TPM posted:

The NCAA is trying to prevent your children and your families from getting ill. This country was not and is not prepared.

Who has lost their minds are our senators and congressman. Get them on the phone or send email,  attend a town hall meeting and let them know how you  really feel.

This is rich. Get your senators on the phone and bitch about why they aren't prepared for a virus that didn't exist a few weeks ago...demand vaccines from an industry that is among the slowest moving fields that has countless levels of regulated testing and studies involved to get any new drug released.

Demand they no how you feel about China attempting to thin down its population and it getting out of control.

you should loud proud and make sure that everyone knows you are scared to death of the monster under your bed and we all are going to act like a 3yr old throwing a tantrum until we are certain there is plenty of toilet paper available for all. 

Sure, ad hominem, that's the way to solve everything.

Having spend much of the morning reading about real doctors and real epidemiologists predicting upwards of a million deaths from this thing, I actually find it comforting to learn that they and the media are all making this sh!t up to score points in an election.  But what surprised me is that apparently the virus originated in some kind of Chinese government domestic genocide project gone awry? That part is disturbing. 

If seniors get an extra year, how does that work out with the incoming freshman?  Also, does this mean that more juniors will return to school. Lots of unknowns.  

I could see the NCAA expanding rosters for a year. But that just creates more bench players, not playing time.

Unfortunately, I think for the first time in their existence the NCAA will consider them STUDENT-atheletes and deny any extended eligibility. When the numbers work in favor of the NCAA they are athletes, when the numbers don't they will be considered students. There is just too much money involved in granting extra years to all of the scholarship athletes.  I think coaches have their recruiting down to a science a power 5 coach knows how many scholarship players he will have for next year and the year after. He has over-recruited already. Now if all his Seniors come back and Juniors who he was expecting to get drafted it will cripple his recruiting for the next 4 or 5 years. The mid majors to lower d1 schools don't have the money to keep 5 classes worth of athletes. If we were dealing with a more honorable institution I would think differently but I have very little faith in the NCAA. Maybe they will prove me wrong.

jacjacatk posted:

old_school posted:

TPM posted:

The NCAA is trying to prevent your children and your families from getting ill. This country was not and is not prepared.

Who has lost their minds are our senators and congressman. Get them on the phone or send email,  attend a town hall meeting and let them know how you  really feel.

This is rich. Get your senators on the phone and bitch about why they aren't prepared for a virus that didn't exist a few weeks ago...demand vaccines from an industry that is among the slowest moving fields that has countless levels of regulated testing and studies involved to get any new drug released.

Demand they no how you feel about China attempting to thin down its population and it getting out of control.

you should loud proud and make sure that everyone knows you are scared to death of the monster under your bed and we all are going to act like a 3yr old throwing a tantrum until we are certain there is plenty of toilet paper available for all. 

Sure, ad hominem, that's the way to solve everything.

I don't think this was an ad hominem.  The one making the argument was not attacked rather the argument was.

Teaching Elder posted:

jacjacatk posted:

old_school posted:

TPM posted:

The NCAA is trying to prevent your children and your families from getting ill. This country was not and is not prepared.

Who has lost their minds are our senators and congressman. Get them on the phone or send email,  attend a town hall meeting and let them know how you  really feel.

This is rich. Get your senators on the phone and bitch about why they aren't prepared for a virus that didn't exist a few weeks ago...demand vaccines from an industry that is among the slowest moving fields that has countless levels of regulated testing and studies involved to get any new drug released.

Demand they no how you feel about China attempting to thin down its population and it getting out of control.

you should loud proud and make sure that everyone knows you are scared to death of the monster under your bed and we all are going to act like a 3yr old throwing a tantrum until we are certain there is plenty of toilet paper available for all. 

Sure, ad hominem, that's the way to solve everything.

I don't think this was an ad hominem.  The one making the argument was not attacked rather the argument was.

You're right, it was my argument which was behaving like a 3-year old throwing a tantrum and which is scared to death of the monster under the bed.

Thanks for ad hominem-splaining it to me.

My wife works in an ER. Every day I expect to have her come home sick, and for me to find out that I, and the rest of my family are infected. The fact that people are worried about their sons not being able to play baseball at a time like this just makes me shake my head.

Just be glad you have healthy, strong children. Keep them as isolated as possible from social contact. For once, actually encourage them to go on social media!

jacjacatk posted:

Teaching Elder posted:

jacjacatk posted:

old_school posted:

TPM posted:

The NCAA is trying to prevent your children and your families from getting ill. This country was not and is not prepared.

Who has lost their minds are our senators and congressman. Get them on the phone or send email,  attend a town hall meeting and let them know how you  really feel.

This is rich. Get your senators on the phone and bitch about why they aren't prepared for a virus that didn't exist a few weeks ago...demand vaccines from an industry that is among the slowest moving fields that has countless levels of regulated testing and studies involved to get any new drug released.

Demand they no how you feel about China attempting to thin down its population and it getting out of control.

you should loud proud and make sure that everyone knows you are scared to death of the monster under your bed and we all are going to act like a 3yr old throwing a tantrum until we are certain there is plenty of toilet paper available for all. 

Sure, ad hominem, that's the way to solve everything.

I don't think this was an ad hominem.  The one making the argument was not attacked rather the argument was.

You're right, it was my argument which was behaving like a 3-year old throwing a tantrum and which is scared to death of the monster under the bed.

Thanks for ad hominem-splaining it to me.

Ehh. Que?

According to Kendall Rogers NCAA will give all an extra year.  Will they backup more and play out the rest of the year after April 1?

Teaching Elder posted:

jacjacatk posted:

Teaching Elder posted:

jacjacatk posted:

old_school posted:

TPM posted:

The NCAA is trying to prevent your children and your families from getting ill. This country was not and is not prepared.

Who has lost their minds are our senators and congressman. Get them on the phone or send email,  attend a town hall meeting and let them know how you  really feel.

This is rich. Get your senators on the phone and bitch about why they aren't prepared for a virus that didn't exist a few weeks ago...demand vaccines from an industry that is among the slowest moving fields that has countless levels of regulated testing and studies involved to get any new drug released.

Demand they no how you feel about China attempting to thin down its population and it getting out of control.

you should loud proud and make sure that everyone knows you are scared to death of the monster under your bed and we all are going to act like a 3yr old throwing a tantrum until we are certain there is plenty of toilet paper available for all. 

Sure, ad hominem, that's the way to solve everything.

I don't think this was an ad hominem.  The one making the argument was not attacked rather the argument was.

You're right, it was my argument which was behaving like a 3-year old throwing a tantrum and which is scared to death of the monster under the bed.

Thanks for ad hominem-splaining it to me.

Ehh. Que?

To be fair, I lost the quote thread, and it was actually TPM that was being called a scaredy-cat 3-year-old tantrum thrower, not me.

I've never met the guy, so I suppose it's possible that's accurate, but it's certainly not a reasoned counter to his suggestion that you call your representatives and demand action.

PitchingFan posted:

According to Kendall Rogers NCAA will give all an extra year.  Will they backup more and play out the rest of the year after April 1?

Probably a more relevant question would be, “is the football season going to start on time?” I don’t know why anyone believes the college baseball season, MLB, NBA and NHL will resume in a few weeks. It can’t even be considered  and projected until the peak is behind us. 

57special posted:

My wife works in an ER. Every day I expect to have her come home sick, and for me to find out that I, and the rest of my family are infected. The fact that people are worried about their sons not being able to play baseball at a time like this just makes me shake my head.

 

No offense intended but...

This isn't the "my elderly parents are in a nursing home" forum. If it were and someone posted complaining that their kid can't play baseball I could see your point. The fact is this forum concerns kids and baseball. The parents voicing their concerns about the current situation seems appropriate to me.

Also, my understanding is the young are basically immune to this. For most of the rest of us, it's not much worse than the flu. Yes, being confined to your home for two weeks would suck. Yes, I understand about limiting the spread of covid. That said your post is kinda "going off the deep end" and there's just too much of that right now. IMO

SomeBaseballDad posted:

57special posted:

My wife works in an ER. Every day I expect to have her come home sick, and for me to find out that I, and the rest of my family are infected. The fact that people are worried about their sons not being able to play baseball at a time like this just makes me shake my head.

 

No offense intended but...

This isn't the "my elderly parents are in a nursing home" forum. If it were and someone posted complaining that their kid can't play baseball I could see your point. The fact is this forum concerns kids and baseball. The parents voicing their concerns about the current situation seems appropriate to me.

Also, my understanding is the young are basically immune to this. For most of the rest of us, it's not much worse than the flu. Yes, being confined to your home for two weeks would suck. Yes, I understand about limiting the spread of covid. That said your post is kinda "going off the deep end" and there's just too much of that right now. IMO

Absolute offense intended, please educate yourself. Your understanding is wrong. At this point everyone should know this is worse than the flu. This isn't confined to your house for two weeks.....

How about this, we each put up 1k, and pick the number of people that perish from this by 5/1/20 in the continental US. Closest collects and donates to a charity, happy to have a 3rd party handle this.

SomeBaseballDad posted:

57special posted:

My wife works in an ER. Every day I expect to have her come home sick, and for me to find out that I, and the rest of my family are infected. The fact that people are worried about their sons not being able to play baseball at a time like this just makes me shake my head.

 

No offense intended but...

This isn't the "my elderly parents are in a nursing home" forum. If it were and someone posted complaining that their kid can't play baseball I could see your point. The fact is this forum concerns kids and baseball. The parents voicing their concerns about the current situation seems appropriate to me.

Also, my understanding is the young are basically immune to this. For most of the rest of us, it's not much worse than the flu. Yes, being confined to your home for two weeks would suck. Yes, I understand about limiting the spread of covid. That said your post is kinda "going off the deep end" and there's just too much of that right now. IMO

Rudy Gobert, age 27 is positive and infected. Appears his teammate who is infected is connected to Gobert.

Wonder about this “immunity” position being medically confirmed? Isn’t the evidence that their  can be infection and spread of the infection without showing evidence of illness?

Seems odd that a 27 year old can be infected and spread the infection but it is “going off the deep end” for 57 to bring in real world concerns especially when a real world basketball player has probably infected a teammate and is now apologizing for his cavalier acts in the face of the disease

I believe a lot of people will calm down after Tom Hanks, Rita Wilson, Rudy Gobert and Donovan Mitchell are medically cleared. The public needs to see name people or people they know come out the other side.

infielddad posted:

SomeBaseballDad posted:

57special posted:

My wife works in an ER. Every day I expect to have her come home sick, and for me to find out that I, and the rest of my family are infected. The fact that people are worried about their sons not being able to play baseball at a time like this just makes me shake my head.

 

No offense intended but...

This isn't the "my elderly parents are in a nursing home" forum. If it were and someone posted complaining that their kid can't play baseball I could see your point. The fact is this forum concerns kids and baseball. The parents voicing their concerns about the current situation seems appropriate to me.

Also, my understanding is the young are basically immune to this. For most of the rest of us, it's not much worse than the flu. Yes, being confined to your home for two weeks would suck. Yes, I understand about limiting the spread of covid. That said your post is kinda "going off the deep end" and there's just too much of that right now. IMO

Rudy Gobert, age 27 is positive and infected. Appears his teammate who is infected is connected to Gobert.

Wonder about this “immunity” position being medically confirmed? Isn’t the evidence that their  can be infection and spread of the infection without showing evidence of illness?

Seems odd that a 27 year old can be infected and spread the infection but it is “going off the deep end” for 57 to bring in real world concerns especially when a real world basketball player has probably infected a teammate and is now apologizing for his cavalier acts in the face of the disease

He's a DS, but did he die, did the other guy die or just get sick?

The concern is to limit it so that it doesn't overwhelm our health care system. Not that it is the zombie apocalypse.

nycdad posted:

SomeBaseballDad posted:

57special posted:

My wife works in an ER. Every day I expect to have her come home sick, and for me to find out that I, and the rest of my family are infected. The fact that people are worried about their sons not being able to play baseball at a time like this just makes me shake my head.

 

No offense intended but...

This isn't the "my elderly parents are in a nursing home" forum. If it were and someone posted complaining that their kid can't play baseball I could see your point. The fact is this forum concerns kids and baseball. The parents voicing their concerns about the current situation seems appropriate to me.

Also, my understanding is the young are basically immune to this. For most of the rest of us, it's not much worse than the flu. Yes, being confined to your home for two weeks would suck. Yes, I understand about limiting the spread of covid. That said your post is kinda "going off the deep end" and there's just too much of that right now. IMO

Absolute offense intended, please educate yourself. Your understanding is wrong. At this point everyone should know this is worse than the flu. This isn't confined to your house for two weeks.....

How about this, we each put up 1k, and pick the number of people that perish from this by 5/1/20 in the continental US. Closest collects and donates to a charity, happy to have a 3rd party handle this.

I guess that would depend on whether we handle this like South Korea or Italy.

I tend to listen to and rely on Dr. Anthony Fauci as to the risks of infection and disease and reasons to make all appropriate steps toward mitigation rather than a poster who makes false statements about immunity and compounds the false information by suggesting death is the measure of risk.

SI actually has information from doctors on the infection risks from youth sports 

The doctors don’t seem to agree with your understanding on “immunity.”

infielddad posted:

I tend to listen to and rely on Dr. Anthony Fauci as to the risks of infection and disease and reasons to make all appropriate steps toward mitigation rather than a poster who makes false statements about immunity and compounds the false information by suggesting death is the measure of risk.

SI actually has information from doctors on the infection risks from youth sports 

The doctors don’t seem to agree with your understanding on “immunity.”

 

It's dangerous to the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions. Period. Quit being played by the media.

I’ll rely on Dr. Fauci, thank you very much!

As with 57, I have a medical back up- our son in law is a trauma surgeon who is very much in the front lines.

What you are posting is pretty irresponsible! Hopefully not a single reader will trust anything you post on this topic.

SomeBaseballDad posted:

infielddad posted:

I tend to listen to and rely on Dr. Anthony Fauci as to the risks of infection and disease and reasons to make all appropriate steps toward mitigation rather than a poster who makes false statements about immunity and compounds the false information by suggesting death is the measure of risk.

SI actually has information from doctors on the infection risks from youth sports 

The doctors don’t seem to agree with your understanding on “immunity.”

 

It's dangerous to the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions. Period. Quit being played by the media.

True, but it is very critical to stop the transmission chain to protect the elderly and those with pre-existing condition.  There is also the issue of around 20% of people infected (regardless of age) will develop symptoms severe enough to need support in a hospital to fight off the virus.  This 20% rate can quickly overwhelm our hospital system.  This is what we see in Italy right now.

SomeBaseballDad posted:

infielddad posted:

I tend to listen to and rely on Dr. Anthony Fauci as to the risks of infection and disease and reasons to make all appropriate steps toward mitigation rather than a poster who makes false statements about immunity and compounds the false information by suggesting death is the measure of risk.

SI actually has information from doctors on the infection risks from youth sports 

The doctors don’t seem to agree with your understanding on “immunity.”

 

It's dangerous to the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions. Period. Quit being played by the media.

The current case fatality rate for ages 10-39 is still double seasonal flu, for 50+ (that's me) it's an order of magnitude greater and for 70+ (that's my dad, who also has hypertension and diabetes to compound the issue) it's two orders of magnitude greater.

For perspective, for ages 50-59, it's 1.3%, 1 in 77. That's one of my son's teammates' parents, should they all get infected.

For ages 70-79, it's 8%, 1 in 13. For ages 80+ it's 14.8%, 1 in 7. I don't know how many of my son's teammates have living grandparents, but he's got 2, so let's say that's like 50-70 people in those age cohorts. That's 4-10 of them, if they all get infected.  Or 1-2 if only a quarter of them do.

Multiply all those numbers out by all of our kids' parents/grandparents. Oh, and the 10-39 rate is 1 in 500.  How many baseball players do we collectively know that age?  How do we feel about 10% of them getting infected and 1 in 5000 of them being a statistic? Especially if we could do more to limit the spread?

Source: https://ourworldindata.org/cor...e-of-covid-19-by-age

SomeBaseballDad posted:

It's dangerous to the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions. Period. Quit being played by the media.

There are a lot of elderly, and a lot of people with pre-existing conditions.  52 million people are over age 65.  16 million people have COPD.  30 million people have diabetes.  28 million people have heart disease.  So what do you suggest? 

Those numbers mean nothing at this point because there's no way to know how many people have actually had it. By far the majority of people who have become ill due to covid have recovered, and every time that happens something very important happens. They build up immunity to it. I've read one of the outcomes to this is that it will become a seasonal problem like the flu or the common cold. Our bodies just need time to build up some immunity. 

Look, I'm not saying there's not reason for concern, but fighting in the streets over toilet paper...... damn. 

It's dangerous to the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions. Period. Quit being played by the media.

This is  narrow minded view. While only a certain percentage of the population is vulnerable 100% has the potential to be a carrier. Even pets can be carriers. It’s a world wide pandemic. The spread needs to be stopped. 

It’s not unusual in a crisis for the panic to becomes bigger than the actual issue itself. I saw a news clip last night of people at a grocery store hoarding food. It’s not logical. There isn’t a food shortage. There won’t be a food shortage. Even with a run on hand cleansers and toilet paper the stores manage to restock in days. 

By the way, I can spare a square ... for $10 each 😁