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An interesting column. How much more exposure does the college game need before the scholarship situation is fixed? Its a joke right now. A local player signed with the Gators last fall, probably for books. He was drafted this month and signed in the 10th round with the Devil Rays and got all of his college paid for, $65,000 plus his signing money. Oh yeah, his dad is a college head baseball coach.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orl-sptbianchi240...orl-sports-headlines

SPORTS COMMENTARY: MIKE BIANCHI

NCAA missing the signs with college baseball
Mike Bianchi
Sports Commentary

June 24, 2005

The graduation rates are atrocious.

The racial diversity is abysmal.

The rules-breaking is alarming.

That sharp, high-pitched sound you hear coming from Omaha, Neb., is not the ping of the aluminum bat; it's the shriek of college baseball coaches who say the NCAA is driving their sport to ruination.

"It's frustrating," says Florida baseball Coach Pat McMahon, whose team beat Arizona State 6-3 Thursday night to advance to the championship round of the College World Series. "We're getting beat to death."

Baseball is the dirty little secret of college sports. It is the abused and abandoned mongrel in the NCAA's dog-and-pony show.

You hear the pundits and pointy-heads scream incessantly about the exploitation of college football and basketball players who make millions for the NCAA but get paid nothing in return. Puh-leeze. A suggestion for those who don't believe a college degree is fair compensation for chasing a bouncing ball: Try getting a job without one.

If you want true exploitation, check out the College World Series on ESPN. The NCAA is making millions in TV rights, but the competing athletes barely even get their books paid for.

"You'd be surprised how many guys on our roster get zip," McMahon says.

The average college roster is 33 players, but the NCAA allows baseball only 11.7 scholarships. That means the average player gets about 33 percent of his education paid for; the other 67 percent comes from his family's pockets.

In football, the fifth-team running back is on full scholarship. In basketball, the last guy on the bench is on full scholarship. In baseball, your ace pitcher is rummaging through the concession-stand trash looking for discarded wieners.

It's no wonder college baseball cannot attract black athletes. In college basketball, 58 percent of all athletes are black. In football, it's 44 percent. In baseball, it's an embarrassing 6 percent. Future headline: NASCAR gets better grade than college baseball on Dr. Richard Lapchick's Racial and Gender Report Card.

And, really, who can blame elite black athletes for pursuing full scholarships in football and basketball over peanuts and Cracker Jack to play baseball?

"It's hard to convince guys to come play baseball for free," McMahon says.

It's also hard to convince guys to stay and play baseball (see shameful graduation rates). Even if you're taken in the 42nd round of the never-ending baseball draft, you're still likely to choose a minuscule signing bonus of $7,500 over the alternative: continuing to shell out thousands of dollars to play college ball.

Only one of the eight teams competing in the College World Series has graduated at least 50 percent of its players. Under NCAA guidelines that take effect next fall, such profound academic underachievement could become grounds for exclusion from postseason competition. That makes you wonder: How long until Princeton and Lehigh are the only schools eligible for Omaha?

Then again, the NCAA policymakers make these rules, but seem to look the other way when it comes to enforcing them. Did you know two of the eight teams in last year's College World Series were on probation? One of those teams -- Miami -- illegally paid players from funds obtained from running an illicit baseball camp.

In football, there would be hand-wringing if a cheating program played for the national title. In basketball, there would be teeth-gnashing. In baseball, there is only wrist-slapping.

Ethically, academically and racially, college baseball has gone strike one, strike two, strike three.

The malnourished mutt keeps taking kicks to its exposed ribs. All the while, the NCAA's dog-and-pony show goes on.
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The writer missed alot of major points. College coaches whining the most over scholarship money over recruit big time. Many colleges have 40-45 players on their roster. Real simple keep 25-30 players and your money goes alot further.

Little pointer had coached an NCAA Summer League 45 games in 2 months and had 25 players through out the whole time. Everyone got plenty of playing time.

Most black players who get drafted in the top 20 rounds in HS turn pro. And most college players that turn pro sign after JUCO ball or after 3 years of college.
Ever wonder how many scholarships a college/university is permitted to give out? Not all scholarships are full scholarships so sometimes scholarships will be split up. Here are the 2004-2005 total annual scholarship limits mandated by the NCAA for Division I and Division II athletic programs:

Division I
MENS

Baseball 11.7
Basketball 13
Cross Country/Track and Field 12.6
Football (I-A) 85
Golf 4.5
Gymnastics 6.3
Ice Hockey 18
Lacrosse 12.6
S****r 9.9
Swimming/Diving 9.9
Tennis 4.5
Volleyball 4.5
Water Polo 4.5
Wrestling 9.9

Women
Gymnastics 12
Tennis 8
Volleyball 12
Basketball 15
Cross Country/Track and Field 18
Field Hockey 12
Golf 6
Ice Hockey 18
Lacrosse 12
Rowing 20
S****r 12
Softball 12
Swimming/Diving 8.1
Volleyball 12
Water Polo 8


Division II
Men

Baseball 9
Basketball 10
Cross Country/Track and Field 12.6
Fencing 4.5
Football 36
Golf 3.6
Gymnastics 5.4
Ice Hockey 13.5
Lacrosse 10.8
Rifle 3.6
Skiing 6.3
S****r 9
Swimming 8.1
Tennis 4.5
Volleyball 4.5
Water Polo 4.5
Wrestling 9


Women
Archery 9
Badminton 10
Basketball 10
Bowling 5
Cross Country/Track and Field 12.6
Fencing 4.5
Field Hockey 6.3
Golf 5.4
Gymnastics 6
Ice Hockey 18
Lacrosse 9.9
Rowing 20
Skiing 6.3
S****r 9.9
Softball 7.2
Squash 9
Swimming 8.1
Synchronized Swimming 5
Team Handball 12
Tennis 6
Volleyball 8
Water Polo 8
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The girls go into some of these sports just to get a scholarship. Why waste their time? Let men's sports give out a reasonable number of scholarships, then allow the schools to give out additional academic scholarships to women to even things out.

Hmmm...I wonder what the ratios between men and women are for academic scholarships?
Dad04,
Hmmm, where you talking about FSU? Coach Jones told me it was 75K Big Grin

I cannot disagree with the article. However, football makes Mega bucks for the schools, therefore that's where the money is spent.
The kids know it, they accept it. My son told me that the NCAA gave the football players at his school ipods and other equipment, the baseball team got fleese sweatshirts...wow.
CADad,
Your statement is confusing. Don't boys play sports to get scholarships as well?
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Originally posted by Dad04:
Its a good thing the girls have 20 rowing scholarships. Do any schools actually award that many?


While touring a local prep school (BB & N) which is located on the Charles River (a rowing hotbed) I was shown a state of the art indoor rowing pit, which is basically a stationary boat in a pool of water...anyhow, I was told that the last three centers from the girls baseketball were all recruited by Ivy League rowing coaches and got into those schools in large part due to their being a recruited student athlete...not a scholarship, but an ivy League degree...a lot of times, girls never rowed until college, had ability and got awarded a scholarship...
I predict the female athletes will eventually stand up like men and complain when they realize they are only being recruited and given a full scholarship to participate in some meaningless sport just so another male athlete can be given a scholarship to a real sport like baseball? I know if I were a female badminton star I would feel used! I would stand up like a man and tell them to take their scholarship and their shuttlewhatever they are and shove it...
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I predict the female athletes will eventually stand up like men and complain when they realize they are only being recruited and given a full scholarship to participate in some meaningless sport just so another male athlete can be given a scholarship to a real sport like baseball? I know if I were a female badminton star I would feel used! I would stand up like a man and tell them to take their scholarship and their shuttlewhatever they are and shove it...

Roflmao. You crazy! Big Grin Big Grin
TPM,
Generally speaking the boys are already playing the sports then they compete for scholarships rather than as happens in some cases with relatively obscure womens sports they can get a scholarship in a sport they've never participated in previously.

Most of the women's sports do have competition, but not all.

As far as the comment that football pulls in most of the revenue so they get the bulk of the scholarships that's fine by me. Separate out the sports that pull in significant revenue and then mete out scholarships for the rest evenly between men and women. It looks like there are about 380 scholarships total in Div 1. Take 98 out for football and men's basketball and then split the remaining 282 evenly between men's and women's sports.

Men's sports could use the extra 40 or 45 scholarships that would generate and women's sports probably wouldn't even miss them. 20 scholarships for rowing?

This one has the potential to turn into a big argument so I'll stop here.
CADaD,

I agree with your formula but it makes way too much sense for the ncaa and the politically correct, left wing wackos that don't understand that men and women are different.

They could also make football an either s e x sport and take it out of the equasion on that basis. After all, women have made the team before.
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As Much as I hate to say it, looking into the crystal ball:

x-When the NCAA institutes a common start date, the season will get a lot shorter for a lot of schools, since they don't want to pay to keep players on campus.

x-With the shorter season, schools will tell coaches they don't need even 30-player rosters. Don't be totally surprised if the NCAA puts a cap on rosters -- at 25. They'll call it a head-count sport so it helps their bleeping Title IX numbers.

x-With fewer games and fewer players, you don't need as many scholarships. Since the average scholarship is roughly a third anyway, let's just cut the figues to 8.3 for your 25-man roster.

I hope I'm wrong. I fear I'm not.
How can womens field hockey get more scholarships than baseball????? Field Hockey is the most worthless sport of all time.

I dont' know if any of you have ever watched a field hockey game, (few have) but it is literly about 20 girls running around with a stick chasing an orange ball.

I should be able to get a full scholarship for field hockey. I guarentee i can run faster and hit that stupid orange ball harder than any girl in the country.

Title IX is a joke. The equal rights movement is over. Time to go back to what is right.
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Originally posted by OldVaman:
As Much as I hate to say it, looking into the crystal ball:

x-When the NCAA institutes a common start date, the season will get a lot shorter for a lot of schools, since they don't want to pay to keep players on campus.

x-With the shorter season, schools will tell coaches they don't need even 30-player rosters. Don't be totally surprised if the NCAA puts a cap on rosters -- at 25. They'll call it a head-count sport so it helps their bleeping Title IX numbers.

x-With fewer games and fewer players, you don't need as many scholarships. Since the average scholarship is roughly a third anyway, let's just cut the figues to 8.3 for your 25-man roster.

I hope I'm wrong. I fear I'm not.

Actually, it's backwards.....
... part of the deal is that, even with the shorter season, they don't loose any games. The average college team may play 3.5 games/week right now. Once the new "uniform date" goes into effect, the average college team may play 4 2/3 games/week.

This a more stress on the pitching staff. In order to survive the season, the pitching staffs may have to get larger instead of smaller.

... Also, instead of the 99% of college baseball programs operating in the red, the situation is much better than that. Over 20% now turn a profit on the sport and the percentages keep increasing. It's not a revenue sport yet, but that's changing (abeit, very slowly).
Triple H

I hope you're right. And there is logic in what you say. But the NCAA has never been one to delve into common sense.

I read somewhere that the plan would include a reduction to 50 or 52 games for the regular season. The college presidents, concerned over the loss of class time in a would-be more compressed season, are said to be pushing this. Of course, the return of weekend doubleheaders might help, but that is already taking place in a lot of places and coaches and players hate them.

The smaller conferences, the ones running in the red, are the ones who aren't excited about housing players after the school year is over. The solution might be a return (for some places) to an athletic dorm, which some colleges already catch a lot of flak about.

The reduction is scholarships would be a knee-jerk reaction to the retention numbers. They would use other reasons, of course, but the unfortunate reality right now is baseball needs more friends in college administration.
No wonder the head coach at one of Virginia's top academic colleges threw the towel in.

William & Mary only funds 6.7 scholarships. They have one of the best baseball facilities in the Mid-Atlantic and had one of the best coaches, but the school only funds 6.7 of the alloted scholarships ???

Not taking up for the the NCAA, but it is up to the school to fund the allotment, and some do not even fund their full allotment???

College baseball players deserve more from the NCAA and the schools themselves !

CV
The real problem is the NCAA is an Autocracy not subject to any higher authority -- even the courts. If you do the research you'll find it's been continually ruled that the NCAA is a private concern not subject to many public laws.

Basically what you have is an unchecked autocracy.

Did you know that student athletes have "no rights" under the NCAA. A student may not appeal on their own behalf or otherwise challenge anything that happens to them. It all has to come from the "member" institution.

Translated analogy....the Lords (NCAA schools)control the serfs (student athletes) and if the serfs don't like it they are subject to justice from the sheriff (NCAA) who is hired by the lords.

Until the NCAA is subject to public scrutiny through suits and the "normal" justice system nothing will ever change...It has been defacto ruled they can do whatever they please.

Think there might be someone getting paid somewhere....hmmm!
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No wonder the head coach at one of Virginia's top academic colleges threw the towel in.



a shorter season, more weekday games and pesumably eliminating off time before & during exam week - - that really sounds great for the fans, but what direction will GPAs head?


yep - that would be south
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I had heard that the plan was to cut the number of games down substantially (somewhere around 45 max). If this happens, then you could see a reduction in the size of rosters and OldVaman could indeed be correct.

Dad04 is right. Most football programs do lose money. You only hear about the ones that make the big dollars since they are the most visible.

Wouldn't it be nice if the NCAA made each school fully fund all scholarships like they are required to do in football? I think the baseball average is just under 10 scholarships that are actually funded.

Some coaches have said that it is cheaper to house the students in apartments where the players are living for they usually have a full years lease on them anyway. What a college will charge for the dorm is usually cost prohibitive due to the services that are required.

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