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Buckeye 2015 posted:
RJM posted:

As much as i enjoyed the college baseball/softball experience (self and two kids) the concept of college sports is absurd. Most of the rest of the world agrees. But as long as football and basketball are money and/or PR generators ** nothing will change. 

Players should be able to transfer at the end of a semester if the coach departs or the program is placed on probation. Want to end cheating that leads to probation? Have the NCAA suspend coaches without pay for the duration. Players who don't play X amount of time should be eligible for transfer at the end of the semester. Maybe each conference could have a transfer eligibility arbitration department.

** Admissions bump up after successful seasons

How would that work?  This goes back to my post above....you aren't guaranteed one minute of playing time when you sign an NLI.    Allowing a kid to transfer based on playing time would just be an absolute nightmare.  You could have 90% of your freshman transferring after their first season just because they didn't play enough.   A coach could sit a kid for 3/4 of the year....then play him the last 5 innings of the last game of the year to get him past the "playing time" number so he couldn't leave.  

When my son was being recruited.....The conversation we had went something like this...... "ok, you want to play D1 baseball....here's the deal....you are going to stay at whatever school you sign to go to....unless there is a coaching change.   You're not transferring because of baseball.  If you end up hating the game, fine, you can quit baseball, but you're not playing somewhere else just because you're not pitching enough or getting enough at bats.  Those things are up to you....work hard and earn the playing time....don't leave just because things are tougher than you expected.   If you want to go D2 or D3 because you hope you'll play more....decide now...not 2 years from now".   He agreed.....and he has busted his butt the whole time and is getting plenty of P/T.   They have had kids come in with this "expectation" that they are somehow guaranteed something.  They find out real quick they aren't and they are gone....either done with baseball altogether or off to a small school.   It's been said on here 1000's of times....make sure you love the game BEFORE you go to college to play....or you'll end up hating it once you get there.

Everything worked out for my son better than expected. He would have stayed had it not worked out. But I try to look at the big picture rather than just one personal scenario.

If a coach tells a kid he’s not projected to get on the field why should he have to sit out a year or go to three schools in three years (4-2-4) to play? If a coach over recruits and cuts the kid why should he have to sit out to transfer? What if a  new coach comes in and doesn't want the player recruited by the previous coach? 

There are many variables. Everyone is told they will compete for a position. But sometimes its nothing but a line.Some kids are nothing more than third string insuramce and the coach knows it. Why shoukd this player have to sit to transfer? 

I do recognize some players end up in bad situations because they (and the families) did not do their homework. Some have no idea how many transfers typically come in. Some dont realize everyone on the team was all whatever in high school. 

Some players reach for their dream school rather than the school fawning over them. I was the one who brought go where they love you to the board. TR repeated it jntil it was hammered home. 

I was at a NC State - Boston College game. My son was in high school at the time. I woukd engage parents asking about their son’s journey. I was chatting with the dad of the NC State RFer. The kid was starting as a freshman. I asked if UNC recruited him. UNC was at their peak at the time. The dad said UNC showed interest and made an offer. NC State showed love and made an offer. Go where they love you. 

As mentioned a conference could have a transfer eligibility committee to make decisions.

 

3and2Fastball posted:
pabaseballdad posted:

. It's brutal but it's just business.   Hopefully some of the parents at the beginning of the recruiting process will read these threads and learn.   In hindsight, we would do things differently! but like life, you deal with the change and move on.  It will all work out! 

I'm reading and taking notes.  This summer my kid will be a rising HS Soph.  What would you do differently in hindsight?

I will speak to this as well. For us, it was hard to turn down a scholarship from a top school. When the offering school had been a regional power, and had been to the CWS in the last decade, you throw caution to the wind and sign. Our son played his freshman year, did very well and was told he had a good chance for more play time next year. Fast forward to the fall, struggled some early, finished strong and again made the spring roster. Didn't get a sniff of play time, was told he would be red shirted, than two weeks before the season ended, he was told that he wouldn't see play time next year and offered a release and help finding a new home. Did I mention, he had a 4 year guarantee on his financial agreement. He had offers to enroll at other DI's, but didn't want to sit out another year.

In the end it all worked out, but initially a gut punch. He dropped to a DII, still had scholarship money. He finished with 43 appearances & 35 starts, 215 IP and is 7th in wins all time in his programs history. He received his degree and will have his MBA by this time next year. Would we have done it differently? Probably, but you can't turn back time. 

We have been blessed by the game of baseball and like the game itself, it's unpredictable. Find the right school, research the program history, talk to past, present and future players when you can. Check roster sizes, history and transfers and it's still only a guess.

 

3and2Fastball posted:
pabaseballdad posted:

. It's brutal but it's just business.   Hopefully some of the parents at the beginning of the recruiting process will read these threads and learn.   In hindsight, we would do things differently! but like life, you deal with the change and move on.  It will all work out! 

I'm reading and taking notes.  This summer my kid will be a rising HS Soph.  What would you do differently in hindsight?

I too have no issues with the current rules. I never did. 

There is documentation that graduation rates have improved. I suppose the NCAA would have them. You see, programs were being punished for low graduation rates, losing scholarships, that's how bad it was. Not if the player was drafted. The goal is to graduate in 4 years. If a player transfers and loses credits in that transfer they don't graduate when they are supposed to, that was the entire premise behind the rule. 

College sports is a business. The way I see it, it's the coaches job to win, the players job to get his degree and graduate.

Be smart. Choose wisely where you can get a degree and play baseball.

 

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If it’s really about education players would get four years and be gone. If it’s really about education basketball programs would be heavily penalized for recruiting one and dones. If it’s really about education players would only be accepted on academic merit.

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