DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN

oooof...Just when I was getting slightly optimistic we'd see Spring baseball.  My son is part of the SCIAC but similar to the NESCAC.  Now I'm really bummed out again.

@SoCal OG posted:

oooof...Just when I was getting slightly optimistic we'd see Spring baseball.  My son is part of the SCIAC but similar to the NESCAC.  Now I'm really bummed out again.

There are no sports in the SCIAC until LA County allows colleges to open up and they do not seem to be close.

https://files.covid19.ca.gov/p...er-education--en.pdf

That sucks!

I understand cancelling winter sports, since they are all indoors, and probably can't do fall practices.  But outdoor athletes are in the best situation to do well with this disease (Vitamin D), and the theraputics are coming online now, too, never mind vaccines.  In the SCIAC, most teams could play without having to travel much at all, not like the northeastern schools, where you have longer bus rides with the windows closed.  So, I hope they will all realize that it's a good idea to keep spring sports going.

Bowdoin couldn’t possibly play a D3 schedule within the state. After all, six 80yo+ people have died from COVID since August 26. Including Bowdoin there are 11 D3 athletic programs in the state.

Maine’s CDC Director was fired as state director in Illinois. He failed to properly handle Legionaries. If he screws up in Maine all that will be remaining for him is hang a shingle “Dr Death” somewhere north of the Arctic Circle. Consequently, he’s been treating Maine like it’s NYC.

Bowdoin A.D.:  "it is unlikely our spring teams will compete this year."

Because of ....Science!

Young athletes with near-zero-Covid-risk competing in low-Covid-risk-sports in a near-zero-Covid-risk-outdoor-environment.

Pardon the hyphens.

Shocking a bunch uppity NE schools making illogical poorly timed and unneeded choice that doesn’t need to happen...for months. I hate the fact that education stayed lacks the fundamental capacity to use reason.  

Well. If you look at the politics of those schools it's really not too unexpected.  As a country, we did covid wrong.  We needed to severely protect those over 60 and those w certain conditions and let everyone else have at it.  Hindsight = 20/20

As a narcissist, I sometimes quote myself.

Copied and pasted from March 11 thread, "NESCAC baseball season cancelled":

game7
I used to believe that a mouse can scare an elephant, but it can't kill an elephant.

But now we've got a mouse scaring an entire nation into killing its own economy.

So I was wrong.

3/11/203:51 PM

https://community.hsbaseballwe...02#58180219364957202

Right g7.  So many mistakes.  We needed to isolate and n95 the at-risk.  For the trillions spent supporting the economy we could have paid for an army to deliver food and supplies to those people.   Not to be cavalier.  I know some younger people would die with a herd immunity (0.01 to 0.05%?) attempt but man.... What we've done now.

This reeks of virtue signaling...The administrators lose nothing that they care about and gain favor with their like minded peers.

Four and a half months away and they want to call the season now.  What a damn joke. Heard from NESCAC son last night after ZM call with HC...."our season is like already cancelled".

To quote Game 7 above: "Young athletes with near-zero-Covid-risk competing in low-Covid-risk-sports in a near-zero-Covid-risk-outdoor-environment"

The stupid politics...If I was glued to only one or two stations you'd think Armageddon is near.

K9. You are right.  I bet there are very few administrators who care about baseball.  They just look at it as an expensive sport to carry.  I'm starting to think my 2023 son will be hosed for hs ball also.  I feel bad for all the people with college age kids

Unfortunately these schools carry such a quality academic reputation that potential student athletes will not pass on these schools despite having spineless administrations.  

Students are already enrolled and most have already registered for next semester. They will now be cutting costs while still getting students to pay for online classes. They knew exactly what they were doing. Having sports is not as important as avoiding headlines that read "121 students infected" followed by the sh!t storm the social justice warriors on campus will rain down on them.

Mine can pick whatever schools they want within reason, but I can't say NESCAC schools are among those I'd recommend.

It's not ideal, but couldn't they do a quasi-bubble approach to spring athletes at certain colleges? Allow them to zoom-learn and put them in a separate residential space on campus. I've no idea whether this is feasible, but it seems prudent to investigate it rather than threaten cancellation 120 days out from a season.

@fenwaysouth posted:

That sucks!

Old enough to get that reference. Much appreciated

NESCAC schools are some of the very best schools in the world and anyone who manages to open an otherwise shut door to one of them using baseball is very fortunate indeed, pandemic or no pandemic.

The fact that NESCAC is contemplating canceling spring sports is sad and upsetting, no doubt.  But administrators are anticipating a second wave this winter and early spring that may have parts, perhaps all, of the northeast on lockdown again as it was last March and April.  I am confident these schools care about the safety of their students and staff, but they also absolutely do not want to be one of the schools making headlines just for one spring season of sports.

Hopefully they will hold off on making a decision for a couple of months to see how things pan out, not just in terms of a second wave but also in terms of a vaccine and how quickly it can be made available to the general public.

@LuckyCat posted:

NESCAC schools are some of the very best schools in the world and anyone who manages to open an otherwise shut door to one of them using baseball is very fortunate indeed, pandemic or no pandemic.

The fact that NESCAC is contemplating canceling spring sports is sad and upsetting, no doubt.  But administrators are anticipating a second wave this winter and early spring that may have parts, perhaps all, of the northeast on lockdown again as it was last March and April.  I am confident these schools care about the safety of their students and staff, but they also absolutely do not want to be one of the schools making headlines just for one spring season of sports.

Hopefully they will hold off on making a decision for a couple of months to see how things pan out, not just in terms of a second wave but also in terms of a vaccine and how quickly it can be made available to the general public.

Thank you! Finally some common sense.

I'm making a prediction, to be reviewed in 6 months, that New England citizens will not support another lockdown.  Bit by bit, solid evidence is being revealed that the first lockdown was a massive over-reaction.

Public health experts apparently have not learned the lesson from Prohibition of alcohol 100 years ago.

I agree however that it's plausible that the prospect of a lockdown could affect the decisions of college administrators, and that college baseball in New England might not get played.

NESCAC is just the tip of the iceberg. If any D3 college cannot house and/or teach ALL their students on campus, it won't have sports. Schools that commit to bubbles don't have the space to give everyone singles.

I really like OskiSD's idea as an alternative.  Frankly, I'll take pretty much any alternative at this point.  

@LuckyCat posted:

NESCAC schools are some of the very best schools in the world and anyone who manages to open an otherwise shut door to one of them using baseball is very fortunate indeed, pandemic or no pandemic.

The fact that NESCAC is contemplating canceling spring sports is sad and upsetting, no doubt.  But administrators are anticipating a second wave this winter and early spring that may have parts, perhaps all, of the northeast on lockdown again as it was last March and April.  I am confident these schools care about the safety of their students and staff, but they also absolutely do not want to be one of the schools making headlines just for one spring season of sports.

Hopefully they will hold off on making a decision for a couple of months to see how things pan out, not just in terms of a second wave but also in terms of a vaccine and how quickly it can be made available to the general public.

A second wave...so they plan to make the same overreaction to accomplish nothing for the 2nd year in a row. Yeah amazing leadership there.

What did you learn at your prestigious school this Year son, well dad I learned when things get tough you turtle up and hide until somebody tells you it is safe to come out. Thanks but I will pass.

this just sucks.  My opinion -- these decisions are being driven by lawyers.  Schools are so afraid of being sued.  Here's an idea -- Have the kids sign a waiver, removing the school from any liability if they athlete/student/professor gets sick or dies.  Make it their choice.  You get sick because you are in person and on campus -- its your life, your choice and we will not be held accountable nor will we provide services above and beyond those that are provided if you child get the flu or mono.    If you get sick because you choose to go to a party -- well shame on you, go figure it out.  

This fear is being driven by the threat at some parent somewhere is going to sue the school for millions.

I am pissed about all of this.

@old_school posted:

A second wave...so they plan to make the same overreaction to accomplish nothing for the 2nd year in a row. Yeah amazing leadership there.

What did you learn at your prestigious school this Year son, well dad I learned when things get tough you turtle up and hide until somebody tells you it is safe to come out. Thanks but I will pass.

Dr. “Doom” Fauci is now publicly saying another 200,000 will die in the next few months. I’m starting to think the guy likes the publicity and attention more than anything. He doesn’t have anything positive to say. I can understand caution for certain age groups. But he’s become a super spreader of fear.

@MAM posted:

this just sucks.  My opinion -- these decisions are being driven by lawyers.  Schools are so afraid of being sued.  Here's an idea -- Have the kids sign a waiver, removing the school from any liability if they athlete/student/professor gets sick or dies.  Make it their choice.  You get sick because you are in person and on campus -- its your life, your choice and we will not be held accountable nor will we provide services above and beyond those that are provided if you child get the flu or mono.    If you get sick because you choose to go to a party -- well shame on you, go figure it out.  

This fear is being driven by the threat at some parent somewhere is going to sue the school for millions.

I am pissed about all of this.

Sued for what?  What is different about Covid vs the flu, swine flu, herpes, AIDS and such?  I don't get why that would be a concern.  Not disagreeing, but I truly don't understand why this particular situation would result in legal panic.

@RJM posted:

Dr. “Doom” Fauci is now publicly saying another 200,000 will die in the next few months. I’m starting to think the guy likes the publicity and attention more than anything. He doesn’t have anything positive to say. I can understand caution for certain age groups. But he’s become a super spreader of fear.

you are spot on, he is on an ego trip of his life, he just babbles like a drunk at 2am and then they run it out for good but simple minded people to panic over.

sadly even if he is right another 200k is not the reason collapse a country. It would be sad and horrible but not a substantial number.

Sons NESCAC school stating if they play in the spring it will be limited to 15 games primarily with other conference schools.  But the latest shoe to drop, is, the HC doesn't have confidence that the NESCAC will play at all. So he's cautioned all players to think about options...he will help them discuss their ideas. 2022's thinking of reclassifying and taking other spring and fall off....intern in the fall, play in the summer, train Mar, Apr, May....

So enjoyable right now.... they have 0 Covid at the school, or in the town.... 15% of kids are remote....

JOke

@old_school posted:

you are spot on, he is on an ego trip of his life, he just babbles like a drunk at 2am and then they run it out for good but simple minded people to panic over.

sadly even if he is right another 200k is not the reason collapse a country. It would be sad and horrible but not a substantial number.

Good to see we've normalized a Tenerife (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ife_airport_disaster) a day, or roughly a 9/11 a week.

And that's only counting dead, since we have no idea about long-term effects at this point.

@jacjacatk posted:

Good to see we've normalized a Tenerife (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ife_airport_disaster) a day, or roughly a 9/11 a week.

And that's only counting dead, since we have no idea about long-term effects at this point.

I always appreciate touches of sarcasm. Sadly I guess we have "normalized" COVID deaths to a degree haven't we?  It's a virus.  For older age groups and those with comorbidities, it's a deadly virus.  Viruses, by definition, go viral.  I understand the initial concept of locking down to prevent the healthcare system from being overwhelmed before it's ready but the fact is many people were always going to die from this.  Yes, America has a disproportionate number of cases and deaths... thus far... but that's because we are an obese, non-compliant, diverse, often uneducated, independent minded society.  Even I, a medical professional, can't do PPE use perfectly.  28 patients a day?  3am? Nope.  Average American? Forget about it.  It is unreasonable for us to expect to fully control the virus until a vaccine comes out.  Just look at the rising spikes in other countries. The economic and societal costs of not trying to proceed with life quasi-normally are too great.   

But man, be ready for the worldwide vilification of America when we get the vaccine out first... which we will because we're the greatest country the world has ever known... and we start shooting up Americans and don't have enough to give the world.   We'll give it to the Brits and Israelis, screw the 🧀 eating surrender monkeys and Chinese, and I'll get to hear on CNN how evil our country is. 

It's not necessarily "right," but the truth is, we end up normalizing almost all deaths.  We have to.  If we didn't, we'd never leave our homes and implode psychologically.   Upwards of 100K die in the US each year due to alcohol and anyone with a heart will acknowledge that as terrible.  And preventable.  But no way are we open to prohibition.  So we ultimately accept those deaths as normal.  Look around.  We do this with all deaths, really.  There are casualties necessitated by the manner in which we want to live.  We can sling mud at politicians and blame them all day, but the truth is, our undying thirst for freedoms does more to perpetuate this virus than any politician can. 

I'm not going to argue one way or another on the overall national rules, politics, etc..  However, in all of this, I haven't seen any evidence that playing baseball has a significant impact, if any, on coronavirus deaths.

Every life matters. But if the country didn’t have an acceptable level of death the maximum speed limit would be 15 mph. There are elderly people in nursing homes saying they would rather die of COVID than loneliness.

I flew back to NJ for a wedding last weekend.  NJ is in full mask mode, and it's easy to see why when you are there.  It is very population dense, and even walking down the street in town you are constantly bumping into people.  It is easy to see why people in the northeast see masks as required and think all people everywhere should wear them all the time (as my family back there thinks).

Out here in CA, we live in a quiet suburban neighborhood and I can walk or jog 5 miles without seeing another pedestrian.  Wearing a mask seems ridiculous, and it's hard to imagine why anyone would think it's necessary to do so unless you are in a crowd.  And yet, my family back east thinks we're nuts for going outside without a mask.

I came back convinced that overlaying a one-size-fits-all mandate to all parts of all states makes no sense at all.  Every state is different.  This is why states, not the federal government, should determine what makes sense.

@Smitty28 posted:

I came back convinced that overlaying a one-size-fits-all mandate to all parts of all states makes no sense at all.  Every state is different.  .

A NYTimes column by Bret Stephens said the same thing on 4/28.

"America Shouldn’t Have to Play by New York Rules"
"A national lockdown is bad medicine and worse politics."

Well apparently you have not been been following along, I read nothing but bitches because we haven't taken these steps and Sleepy Joe actively campaigning that he will implement national standards as soon as he is elected. The facts are like science it seems, extremely important until the media and political elite don't like what they are.

@Smitty28 posted:

I flew back to NJ for a wedding last weekend.  NJ is in full mask mode, and it's easy to see why when you are there.  It is very population dense, and even walking down the street in town you are constantly bumping into people.  It is easy to see why people in the northeast see masks as required and think all people everywhere should wear them all the time (as my family back there thinks).

Out here in CA, we live in a quiet suburban neighborhood and I can walk or jog 5 miles without seeing another pedestrian.  Wearing a mask seems ridiculous, and it's hard to imagine why anyone would think it's necessary to do so unless you are in a crowd.  And yet, my family back east thinks we're nuts for going outside without a mask.

I came back convinced that overlaying a one-size-fits-all mandate to all parts of all states makes no sense at all.  Every state is different.  This is why states, not the federal government, should determine what makes sense.

You’re generalizing. The New York (metro NYC/northern NJ/Fairfield County CT) media makes all the noise. They believe they ARE the east coast. Granted there is the northeast corridor (Boston to DC). But not all of the east coast is population dense.

When I moved to southern CA it amused me when I had this conversation ...

Where are you from?

Boston.

I’ve been to the east coast.

Where?

Chicago.

@Smitty28 posted:

I flew back to NJ for a wedding last weekend.  NJ is in full mask mode, and it's easy to see why when you are there.  It is very population dense,.

The Netherlands has a higher population density than New Jersey (~1300/sm vs. ~1200/sm).

Yet, late in June:

--Only 9% of Dutch said they always wear a mask when they leave the house.

--And 60% of Dutch said they never wear a mask when they leave the house.

source: NYTimes

https://www.nytimes.com/intera...s-face-mask-map.html

@RJM posted:

You’re generalizing. The New York (metro NYC/northern NJ/Fairfield County CT) media makes all the noise. They believe they ARE the east coast. Granted there is the northeast corridor (Boston to DC). But not all of the east coast is population dense.

When I moved to southern CA it amused me when I had this conversation ...

Where are you from?

Boston.

I’ve been to the east coast.

Where?

Chicago.

Yes, there are lots of parts of NJ that are rural.  But that's the problem with extrapolating one's view, or laws/mandates, and applying them to the entire country.  

@Smitty28 posted:

Yes, there are lots of parts of NJ that are rural.  But that's the problem with extrapolating one's view, or laws/mandates, and applying them to the entire country.  

In a Maine the governor shut down 11 (of 16) counties with zero deaths. Maine had the same rules as NYC. When she wrote an order people had to wear a mask any time they walked off their property people revolted. She rescinded the order in a week. I was pulled over on my bike for not wearing a mask. The officer was apologetic.