New Bat rules - Texas (not a BBCOR question)

No taped handles??? That sounds a bit extreme. I'm definitely interested in hearing from the HS coaches and umpires out there. Southlake Carroll scrimmages at Colleyville Heritage today at 4:00pm and they should have umpires working/training. I'll ask for their views.

Maybe this will clear it up as to the definition of the grip. (From Tx. UIL site).

c. Each bat not made of a single piece of wood shall:
1. Have a safety grip made of cork, tape (no smooth, plastic tape) or commercially manufactured composition material. The grip must extend a minimum of 10 inches, but not more than 18 inches, from the base of the knob. Slippery tape or similar material shall be prohibited. Resin, pine tar or any drying agent to enhance the hold are permitted only on the grip. Molded grips are illegal.

So tape is ok as long as it is at least 10" up from the knob and no more than 18".

and the fact is that not ALL composite bats are illegal according to NFHS, so if they toss kids for that then the umpires are not following the rules.

slbaseballdad,

I would appreciate if you are going to use info garnered from H5AB.com - H5ABLIVE.com that you state such in your post. Afterall, it is word for word from our site> http://houston5abaseball.yuku....um-on-Composite-Bats

Randy Byers
Admin
Houston5ABaseball.com

[QUOTE]Originally posted by H5AB:
slbaseballdad,

I would appreciate if you are going to use info garnered from H5AB.com - H5ABLIVE.com that you state such in your post. Afterall, it is word for word from our site> http://houston5abaseball.yuku....um-on-Composite-Bats

h5ab,
slbaseballdad states in his first line that it was being circulated in Texas. Yes it may have been started on the H5Abaseball site. He just wanted some clarity of what the umpires interpretation of the tape on handles being illegal, according to your account of ("visiting with a few TASO umpires"),which it is not according to the NFHS rules. He probably put it to the HSbaseball web to get more reader response, and didn't want to miss quote it.

If your looking for a plug for your site you just got it. Welcome to the largest site for HS baseball. See NFHS rule on my previous post on bat handles.

I'm not sure where this rumor came from. I have heard nothing of it and didn't hear anything about it at the TASO-Baseball State Meeting.

Tape is legal as long as it meets the measurement issue noted above or slick tape noted as well (such as electrical tape, duct tape, etc.) Athletic tape is fine. Note: if the tape tapers out at the knob end of the bat so that there is not a defined knob, then that is illegal.

The composite/aluminum legal bat issue is fairly easy.

1) If it's aluminum and states BESR, legal.
2) If it's a composite and states BBCOR, legal.
3) If it's a composite barrel bat and not BBCOR, then it's illegal UNLESS it's listed on the NFHS website as being legal.

Hope this helps.

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Originally posted by H5AB:
slbaseballdad,

I would appreciate if you are going to use info garnered from H5AB.com - H5ABLIVE.com that you state such in your post. Afterall, it is word for word from our site> http://houston5abaseball.yuku....um-on-Composite-Bats

Randy Byers
Admin
Houston5ABaseball.com

Randy, I actually copied it from the HS website not H5AB. Although I'm a new member there, I'm not yet familiar with the forum. I didn't find a place to initiate this discussion. Having said that, the statement is pretty vague regarding the tape on the handle. Please provide some clarity here and on H5AB. The referrence to tape has caused quite a stir locally.

Thanks

MM... is correct...

If the batter enter the batters box with an illegal bat the batter is called out... not tossed. If after the batter hits the ball and the bat is then discovered to be illegal the Offense has a choice.. result of the play or batter out all runners return.

You must have a knob on the end of the bat... it can not bet taped to create a tapered smooth end to the bat. Tape is OK per the above rules.

NOT all composite bats are illegal as Mickey Mantle states above.... All BBCOR composites are legal. Also here is the list of Composite BESR bats that are legal...

NOTE: THERE ARE NO EASTON BESR COMPOSITE BATS ON THIS LIST.

Product Name / Model (Length)
DeMarini CF4 (-3) / CFB10 (31 to 34)
DeMarini CF4 (-3) / CFB11 (31 to 34)
Vendetta C6 (-3) / VCB10 (31 to 34)
Vendetta C6 (-3) / VCB11 (31 to 34)
Combat / B1AB2 (31 to 34)
Combat / B1AB2-R (31 to 34)
Combat / B2AB1 (31 to 34)
Louisville Slugger / CBXD (31 to 34)
Louisville Slugger / CBXT (31 to 34)
Louisville Slugger / CB81C (33 only)
Louisville Slugger / CB83 (33 only)

So if you or your players have BESR Composite Bats that are not on this list above... they are illegal as simple as that.

It is also HIGHLY RECOMMENDED and each coach (in our area) has been told to carry the list so there are no questions. If there is as questionable bat and a coach does not have the list with them the bat will be removed from the game.

So that is it in a nutshell not that hard to understand...

So what is the rule on pine tar above the handle? My son loves the stuff and it is caked on pretty good. There is no way we are getting that off. Are they really going to enforce this and what is the point?

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Originally posted by slbaseballdad:

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Originally posted by H5AB:
slbaseballdad,

I would appreciate if you are going to use info garnered from H5AB.com - H5ABLIVE.com that you state such in your post. Afterall, it is word for word from our site> http://houston5abaseball.yuku....um-on-Composite-Bats

It is word for word what is on our site. Internet protocal is to do exactly what is stated above. If you coppied this from here and put it on our site that is a violation of copyright and it will have to be removed. Likewise, if you coppied this from our site and posted it here - copyright violation.

Randy Byers
Admin
Houston5ABaseball.com

Randy, I actually copied it from the HS website not H5AB. Although I'm a new member there, I'm not yet familiar with the forum. I didn't find a place to initiate this discussion. Having said that, the statement is pretty vague regarding the tape on the handle. Please provide some clarity here and on H5AB. The referrence to tape has caused quite a stir locally.

Thanks

Your time / date stmap on H5AB is 4 days before it appeared here. I ask that you plaease correct this proble at once.

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Originally posted by Out in LF:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by H5AB:
slbaseballdad,

I would appreciate if you are going to use info garnered from H5AB.com - H5ABLIVE.com that you state such in your post. Afterall, it is word for word from our site> http://houston5abaseball.yuku....um-on-Composite-Bats

h5ab,
slbaseballdad states in his first line that it was being circulated in Texas. Yes it may have been started on the H5Abaseball site. He just wanted some clarity of what the umpires interpretation of the tape on handles being illegal, according to your account of ("visiting with a few TASO umpires"),which it is not according to the NFHS rules. He probably put it to the HSbaseball web to get more reader response, and didn't want to miss quote it.

If your looking for a plug for your site you just got it. Welcome to the largest site for HS baseball. See NFHS rule on my previous post on bat handles.

I am not looking for a plug for my site at all. We have plenty of traffic on our site. Im Just adhereing to internet protocal so we can all get along. The fact of the matter is, its coppied word for word from a property owned by H5AB.com and all Im asking is that it be referenced or removed.

You've referenced it 2 or 3 times now. Job complete.

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Your time / date stmap on H5AB is 4 days before it appeared here. I ask that you plaease correct this proble at once.

Randy, To what problem are you referring?

I was honestly trying to get clarity and not trying to steal anything from H5AB. The quotes from H5AB have since been removed from the HS website I copied it from. And, on H5AB where I have since found the statements, corrections have been made via open discussion. I was under the assumption that H5AB was not an open discussion forum which brings me back to why I went here. If I have violated a forum rule, I will correct with guidence.

For the others, if you are wondering what the corrections are, Randy has provided the link above to H5AB.

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slbaseballdad

Please check your PM

Friends -- if you quote or cut & paste material from other sites, please acknowledge the source. I bet posts from here are widely circulated as well.

Thanks.

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Originally posted by H5AB:

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slbaseballdad

Please check your PM

Pm'd you back.

Can't we all just get along today. I find all of this bat information a bit confusing but this post helps to clarify. My son has tape up his bat only 5-6 inches, played in a scrimmage yesterday and the umps said nothing. The umps did warn both teams before play started to remove all jewelry. One of the opposing team's player was called out after two strikes because the umpire noticed the player had on his yellow livestrong band. I guess that is considered jewelry. A lot of my son's summer team wore wrist bands of yellow or blue all last summer and nothing was mentioned. Guys, what is the ruling on jewelry.

Summer rules are different from NFHS rules regarding jewelry.

Some umpires enforce the jewelry to the full intent of the law and some don't. Sometimes only when the opposing coach gripes about it or is trying to get in the head of the opposing player, usually a pitcher his team can't get a hit off of. Those yellow, pink, white, red, blue, etc. plastic bracelets are considered jewelry as well as the power balance bracelets and necklaces.

One thing I can't wait to hear at the old high school ball park this year, " Man if little Johnny would of hit that with the old bat from last year that ball would still be going".

Haha, it ain't the arrow its the Indian.

I love the new bat's. Make's for little more level playing field for the pitcher's.You know the hitter's already have a lot of advantages, Let's review:
1. Batting helmet
2. Batting gloves
3. Pine tare
4. Tape
5. Thumb pads
6. All kinds of arm and leg pads
7. Sun glasses
8. Corked bats

So what's wrong with a little scuff mark on the ball.

Yeah my son is a pitcher.

At our scrimmage last night, the umpires flat out went thru the motions while checking our bats. I had the list in my pocket ready for them. They said they were all good, but it is my opinion that they did not know what they were looking for. I'm not saying all umpires will be this way, just reporting on the 2 we had last night. On the contrary, I told my players this, we will see different umpires that will carefully examine every bat.

Here is what they did "enforce"...
jewelry...
keeping one foot in the batter's box at all times...(they said they were emphasizing this rule this season. I've been told this every first scrimmage the last 10 years)
verbal obstruction...
batter interference with the catcher on a steal...
and a major league baseball strike zone!!!

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Originally posted by funneldrill:
At our scrimmage last night, the umpires flat out went thru the motions while checking our bats. I had the list in my pocket ready for them. They said they were all good, but it is my opinion that they did not know what they were looking for. I'm not saying all umpires will be this way, just reporting on the 2 we had last night. On the contrary, I told my players this, we will see different umpires that will carefully examine every bat.

Here is what they did "enforce"...
jewelry...
keeping one foot in the batter's box at all times...(they said they were emphasizing this rule this season. I've been told this every first scrimmage the last 10 years)
verbal obstruction...
batter interference with the catcher on a steal...
and a major league baseball strike zone!!!

So if they don't check or one gets through the bat check you are going to let your player use it... these bats are illegal in practice also, if a player get hurt during practice because of an illegal bat... I am sure the coaches will be held responsible along with the AD and the ISD

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Originally posted by funneldrill:
keeping one foot in the batter's box at all times...(they said they were emphasizing this rule this season. I've been told this every first scrimmage the last 10 years)

I just laugh when I hear this one now.

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Originally posted by funneldrill:
...and a major league baseball strike zone!!!

My games are going to need a time limit!!!

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Originally posted by TX-Ump74:

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Originally posted by funneldrill:
At our scrimmage last night, the umpires flat out went thru the motions while checking our bats. I had the list in my pocket ready for them. They said they were all good, but it is my opinion that they did not know what they were looking for. I'm not saying all umpires will be this way, just reporting on the 2 we had last night. On the contrary, I told my players this, we will see different umpires that will carefully examine every bat.

Here is what they did "enforce"...
jewelry...
keeping one foot in the batter's box at all times...(they said they were emphasizing this rule this season. I've been told this every first scrimmage the last 10 years)
verbal obstruction...
batter interference with the catcher on a steal...
and a major league baseball strike zone!!!

So if they don't check or one gets through the bat check you are going to let your player use it... these bats are illegal in practice also, if a player get hurt during practice because of an illegal bat... I am sure the coaches will be held responsible along with the AD and the ISD

We had a bat closing ceremony today and officially retired all non-BBCOR bats from our field house...BP was sad. (lol)

Okay--need help. HS game tonight--son's bat -2011 Louisville H2--was ruled "illegal" because barrel is "scandium" and not aluminum. BTW, he has already played 5 games where bat was allowed. Can anybody direct me to a simple rule that shows this bat is allowed. I have found the NHSF list of approved BESR bats, but worried that " blue" will not understand the various model numbers that are used there. (and no offense to any of the "blues" that might review or respond here) Thanks.

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Originally posted by texdex:
Okay--need help. HS game tonight--son's bat -2011 Louisville H2--was ruled "illegal" because barrel is "scandium" and not aluminum. BTW, he has already played 5 games where bat was allowed. Can anybody direct me to a simple rule that shows this bat is allowed. I have found the NHSF list of approved BESR bats, but worried that " blue" will not understand the various model numbers that are used there. (and no offense to any of the "blues" that might review or respond here) Thanks.

It is legal it is on the approved list.

TX-UMP74. Thanks. found list (and the bat) on NFHS site when got home. Coach now has list.

TX-Ump74
I agree will the comment you make about major league zones. I've observed to many small zones this season. I believe if the skin of the ball passes over the black edge of the plate, it's a strike. Low zone - skin of ball touches the hollow of the knee, strike.
This season, lot's of games are walkfest.
Taking forever!!!!!
Blue needs to call it as I've described. Get batters swinging and get the games moving along.