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Different sport I know - but Deion Sanders just took the job at Colorado. This was his first meeting with the new team. This is what it looks like when a new coaching staff takes over. Posting it to show the cutthroat nature of high level college sports.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2Io3jCH5bU

Clearing house. Telling the kids to hop in the portal, getting rid of the entire staff, changing everything to his specifications. "Everything here is going to change"

This is what goes on behind the scenes, just being said out loud and on camera. Same kids clapping for him are already looking for new homes. Whether you think it's right or wrong, this is how it goes down in a lot of places.

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@nycdad posted:

What would be an equivalent example in college baseball? I think the sport and people involved make this very specific to Dion and Colorado. Also, let's see what the actual outcome is here. This was obviously a made for TV moment.

Any time a coach is looking to come in a change the culture there is going to be significant change. In college baseball, historically juco players have been brought in to make an immediate impact. HS verbal commits are typically let go. A coach looking to change the image of the program can't afford to sit around and wait 3-4 years for his guys to get to campus, then develop.

I will admit, it is a little different for baseball with the scholarship differences. If 6 scholarship players don't want to leave in baseball that will have a significant effect on the direction of the program in the short term. Football can live with them eating scholarships. The benefit of having 85.

In baseball it's more discreet. Players are brought in and they compete for the position, scholarships are not renewed at non P5s. In this case, he basically told them all goodbye before conducting a single practice.

I have two in college ball. One was recruited by a new staff that let 90% of his original class walk, the other had a coaching change while he was there and saw a lot of his friends get the axe without getting what they thought was a fair shake.

@nycdad posted:

What would be an equivalent example in college baseball? I think the sport and people involved make this very specific to Dion and Colorado. Also, let's see what the actual outcome is here. This was obviously a made for TV moment.

Deggs cut almost every Freshman at semester when he took the job at Louisiana.  I believe one player was kept

This isn't confined to college.  It also applies to high school.  To be blunt, there are high schools where losing in ingrained and ingrained in all sports.  Then, there are some high schools that have one or two programs that are the joke of the area but the school competes in other sports.  It is hard to change the culture of a high school.  In fact, to do so, head coaches and assistant coaches have to be fired and sometimes in multiple sports.  I went through that.  When I changed schools and was hired as a head baseball coach, I was also hired as the head girl's basketball coach.  There were several sports at the high school where the head coaches were released.  In short, it was a purge.  For me, I was allowed to have my assistant coaches hired into the school district.  They also were players that I had coached in high school at my former school.  They knew how to win.  In basketball, there had to be a purge of players who didn't want to work and win.  My sophomores and freshmen stepped up and we won.  In the end, none of this is possible if the administration and the AD refuse to step back and let the coaches do what they have to do. 

Haven't had time to review the impact, here are the simple steps that you can follow:

CBI provided Keep Playing baseball all coaching changes since 2017

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Here is the article they wrote

https://keepplayingbaseball.or...s-early-commitments/

Here are all the 2023 changes

https://collegebaseballinsight...l-coaching-carousel/

Look at the press release date, it might provide a guide if the coaching announcement influence the 2023 recruitment

To date, we've published the Fall Rosters for:



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⚠️NAIA 1️⃣0️⃣7️⃣

Example : Nevada

Nevada_2023_roster-insights

Here is the turnover by position for 2023.

Nevada_2023_Player_attrition_Turnover_Overview



Below is the outgoing players with reason they are not on the roster.

Note many will be classified as Unknown Reason, we have not found them on another school's roster.:





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There incoming Class identifies  the following

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@TPM posted:

I have never been a fan of Sanders. He  sold a dream to a HBCU and walking away from his "calling".

He tried to prove he was different, but Coach Prime (name he gave himself) is the same as everyone else.



https://www.foxnews.com/media/...on-sold-dream-walked

https://sports.yahoo.com/bolti...inked-121944055.html

Life changes, what is the time period from a calling?

He is always looking for challenges. Once he has conquered said challenge, he moves on. Sanders has never stayed in one place longer than ~4 yr.

Others need to step up their game and take it to the next level.

I don't have a problem with what he has done so far.  He said if you are sold out for this college and college football then you need to get in the portal.  I'm bringing in the best staff that I can and obviously the past staff could not get it done.  I don't think a new HC should have to keep any old staff.  If you want change, you have to change stuff.  He said I'm getting rid of the guys who don't want to put in the time and don't want to believe they can win.  I think it should happen at any level, MS,HS, college and on.  A new HS HC should not be required to keep former staff if he is expected to win.  LSU is the prime example of how a new coach comes in, in today's world and makes changes to get new results.

@PitchingFan posted:

I don't have a problem with what he has done so far.  He said if you are sold out for this college and college football then you need to get in the portal.  I'm bringing in the best staff that I can and obviously the past staff could not get it done.  I don't think a new HC should have to keep any old staff.  If you want change, you have to change stuff.  He said I'm getting rid of the guys who don't want to put in the time and don't want to believe they can win.  I think it should happen at any level, MS,HS, college and on.  A new HS HC should not be required to keep former staff if he is expected to win.  LSU is the prime example of how a new coach comes in, in today's world and makes changes to get new results.

Didn't Bill Parcell say you need to bring in your own guys.

@nycdad posted:

What would be an equivalent example in college baseball? I think the sport and people involved make this very specific to Dion and Colorado. Also, let's see what the actual outcome is here. This was obviously a made for TV moment.

I chatted with a pro scout at a CAA baseball game. My son was early in high school at the time. He handed me the visiting team roster. He asked if I noticed anything unusual. The roster was thirty-four freshmen and transfers and one senior. It wasn’t hard to determine the answer … new coach taking over a loser. He warned me for my son’s benefit on the dangers of teetering programs.

The one senior the coach kept was an all conference player. Every other senior the coach told to take a hike. This was when transferring meant sitting out a year.

I don't understand what HBUC has to do with anything.  I went to one so I get the pride behind it but that should have nothing to do with it.  He went there and it may have been God's will, I won't say it is not or is, and then he takes another job and says it is God's will, again I won't say it is not or is.  He got an opportunity to move up and he did.  He accomplished all he could at JSU so why not move on and do it somewhere else.  He got promoted so that should be a good thing.

@PitchingFan posted:

I don't have a problem with what he has done so far.  He said if you are sold out for this college and college football then you need to get in the portal.  I'm bringing in the best staff that I can and obviously the past staff could not get it done.

I really only have two issues

1. Telling the kids to transfer without individual meetings first.

2. Naming his son the starting QB

I get it, you have to let him bring in his own staff and do it his way but below a pretty bizarre comment to make coming from an FCS school. You want to get rid of some guys, assess the situation, talk to the roster about expectations and playing time and go from there. Not being given a chance to compete is beyond unfair.

“We got a few positions already taken care of because I’m bringing my own luggage with me,” “And it’s Louis, OK?”

You did not listen closely.  He did not tell them to transfer.  He said there are some of you in here that are not willing to do what we will expect you to do to be successful.  If you are not putting in the effort to be successful and don't believe that you can be successful, then you need to get in the portal.  He had already talked about many of them had been skipping team meetings so he knew the background.  He told no one individually to transfer but put out a blank statement that if you are not going to do what it takes, then do us both a favor and get out now.  Same thing that was said by many new coaches in very bad programs.  Go back and listen.  His speech was almost identical to the one he gave when he came to JSU.

So do you not think that in the past few years that has happened in a lot of situations.  Look at Clemson.  They held on to their QB even though he was killing their team until this weekend.  There are a lot of QB's over the past few years that have been brought in through portal and everyone told they are the QB of the future.  His just happens to be his son and from what I've seen it is a no brainer.

@PitchingFan posted:

You did not listen closely.  He did not tell them to transfer.  He said there are some of you in here that are not willing to do what we will expect you to do to be successful.  If you are not putting in the effort to be successful and don't believe that you can be successful, then you need to get in the portal.  He had already talked about many of them had been skipping team meetings so he knew the background.  He told no one individually to transfer but put out a blank statement that if you are not going to do what it takes, then do us both a favor and get out now.  Same thing that was said by many new coaches in very bad programs.  Go back and listen.  His speech was almost identical to the one he gave when he came to JSU.

So do you not think that in the past few years that has happened in a lot of situations.  Look at Clemson.  They held on to their QB even though he was killing their team until this weekend.  There are a lot of QB's over the past few years that have been brought in through portal and everyone told they are the QB of the future.  His just happens to be his son and from what I've seen it is a no brainer.

I felt I listened closely, I understand what you're saying, I just disagree. Especially considering he will still be at Jackson St until the 17th which means the players have one month to enter the portal before the deadline - during non football activity.

And I know what the argument is - he needs to bring in his guys to get the job done. Fine, but it's hard to find the words meaningful when he introduces his son and says "This is your quarterback." That doesn't really sound like an open competition to me

So would it be any better if he said I'm going to give everyone a fair shot at every position knowing that he is going to use his son as starting QB.  I respect coaches who tell the truth no matter how unfair their decisions are.  I had a friend who told me a P5 school HC that I knew did her son wrong.  Her son was a catcher who had a surgery on his throwing elbow after his junior year.  The HC told him the summer before his freshman fall year that they were going to medical redshirt him his freshman year and use him as the bullpen catcher since he could not throw full speed in the fall of his freshman year.  He decided that he did not want to redshirt and went to a different school.  I felt that the HC was honest with him and could have easily not told him and allowed him to do everything in the fall knowing he was going to not play him in the spring.

I would appreciate it if I was the freshman and junior QB's at Colorado to know that I need to transfer if I want to play.  At least he was honest.  I don't think Deion has ever said the positions were open competition.

I would say if you are coming into UT this fall as a transfer or freshman pitcher, you should know that you are probably going to the bullpen if you want to play this spring.  When you have the #1 college pitcher projected in 2023 draft, the #1 overall projected player in 2024 draft, and SEC pitcher of the year coming back next year.  I don't think there will be open competition for those positions unless someone gets hurt or really blows up this spring.  2 of them did not throw this fall at all and neither did the first RHP out of the bullpen.  But this fall and this spring there will not be open competition.

I can guarantee you Deion is not recruiting a QB for the next couple years.  He is also bringing in 4 4 and 5 star recruits with him that were at JSU or were committed to JSU.  That doesn't seem fair but that is life in college sports today.  Just like the QB at South Carolina getting a $1.4 million dollar pay raise, NIL deal, for next year.  Life will never be the same in college sports with NIL being able to pay to play and automatic transfer rules.

Sanders has the same attitude now that he did years ago. It's "I can do and say what I want." It's obnoxious. Someone explain to me how he gives a speech to his new team while still being the coach at his old team? Who does that? That's a slap in the face IMO.

Sorry but most coaches who leave a program don't bring the players with them and most will have their quarterback son go play where he won't be the HCs son.

As far as referencing Clemson, it is not JSU or Colorado and you can't compare Sanders to Dabo.

Pitchingfan, I wasn't sure what your point was regarding your statement.

His "sell" coming in to JSU, whether necessary or not, was that it was about much more for him than developing a winning program.  It was, to the extent of a divine calling, about raising the bar of HBCU's across the board.

It does seem quite disingenuous for him to abandon that "calling" in a much shorter timeframe than any logical mind would think necessary to accomplish that larger objective.  If he had come in claiming merely that he wanted to turn the program around, then no issues - mission largely accomplished, bring on the next challenge.

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