Bobblehead,
How will this impact hockey in Canada since skimishes like this have had fatalities recently in junior games?
TR I am sure there is a Lawyer out there who would argue that it is.
S****r fans are the worst. I used to live on a street in London England which was the main route to a s****r field. They were hooligans who turned cars over and anything else they could get their hands on.
S****r fans are the worst. I used to live on a street in London England which was the main route to a s****r field. They were hooligans who turned cars over and anything else they could get their hands on.
Sports you are right. Hockey has had some law suits recently that support this ruling. One guy hit his head after being hit in a fight and he died. The focus seemed more on the fact his helmet fell off and correcting the helmet design. I don't believe that they player who hit him had a legal problem criminally because they were all fighting and there was no disregard to the severity of the result. If the guy who hit him sucker punched him when he was skating away it might have been a different story. When you enter into an activity like a fight there is still some acceptance of a bad outcome. The lines between what is expected in a sport have been blurred and will be subject to further court challenges.
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Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
Elbow thrown with intent to injure, running a catcher, cleats up when sliding into a base, throwing at a batter
Originally posted by Rock-n-Fire:
I don't think anyone of those you mentioned warrants a criminal charge, cause you would have to prove the intent on the player wanting to actually injure the other player.
I can maybe see the throwing at the batter, but then again, you would have to prove he intentionally threw at him, which would be hard to prove in my opinion.
Not necessarily.
On May 12, Baylor University defeated Stephen F Austin 12-2. The head coach of Stephen F Austin is Johnny Cardenas. Check out Baylor head coach Steve Smith's comments following the game:
On Johnny Cardenas instructing his pitcher to throw at Gregg Glime
“Their coach (Johnny Cardenas) admitted to both me and the home plate umpire that he has instructed his pitcher to throw at our hitter two or three innings prior (to the eighth inning) and that is why he jerked the pitcher and the catcher out of the game after that happened. The new guy out there (Chris Court) throws at Gregg (Glime). The guy they wanted to hit, by instruction of the coach, by his own admission, was because Raynor (Campbell) was swinging wood tonight. How someone finds that offensive, I don’t know. Maybe if our entire team came out here swinging wood, maybe that would show you up.”
On Raynor Campbell using a wooden bat:
“For one guy who is hitting .240 with a metal bat to come out here and swing wood, he is just trying to figure it out. The guy hit .320 last year in the Cape swinging wood. He was going to give it a try to see if he can find a feel for it, that’s not showing anybody up. Obviously it set me off to hear him articulate that so clearly. End of story. (Stephen F. Austin) will not be coming back here as long as (Johnny Cardenas) is there….
On the reason for the ejection:
“We were ejected for charging each other. He was not ejected for admitting the he instructed his pitcher to throw at a batter. That is a serious offense and one that should bring some pretty serious consequences in my opinion.”
Smith's comments can be found at http://www.baylorbears.com/spo...ecaps/051209aad.html
That is one dumb coach. He should lose his job.
To ask a pitcher to throw at a college player who has his whole life ahead of him is just plain stupid. Admitting it takes it to a whole new level.
What if he permanently injured the batter ? I think that is what the Clayton was referring to when he said sports have been put on notice. Things that may have been acceptable in the past are now under the microscope.
To ask a pitcher to throw at a college player who has his whole life ahead of him is just plain stupid. Admitting it takes it to a whole new level.
What if he permanently injured the batter ? I think that is what the Clayton was referring to when he said sports have been put on notice. Things that may have been acceptable in the past are now under the microscope.
bobblehead
And why is that?
And why is that?
quote:Those Lawyers quoted are some of the most outstanding legal minds in the world.
How'd you know that? Were they pinheads?
This isn't the first lawsuit that could affect sports. Did you forget about this one?
1999 - Warming up on the mound for the home team that day was Wichita State’s Ben Christensen, widely regarded as the best pitcher in college baseball. Christensen was 21-1 in his college career and seemed destined to be one of the first players selected in the June amateur draft.
He thought Molina was trying to time his pitches, so he directed a 92-mph warm-up throw at Molina, who was standing 24 feet from home plate. Molina looked up just as the ball arrived, crushing his left eye, destroying his vision, breaking three bones and opening a cut that required 23 stitches.
That set off a string of events that made national headlines.
Christensen was suspended for the remainder of the season along with Wichita State pitching coach Brent Kemnitz, who allegedly instructed his pitchers to throw at batters who stood too near the plate and tried to time their warm-up pitches. (Kemnitz was reinstated the following season and remains a member of the Wichita State staff today.)
Christensen was lambasted from coast to coast, although that didn’t keep the Chicago Cubs from making him the 26th selection in the June draft.
It was the start of legal wrangling that went on for 3 1/2 years and culminated with Christensen paying a cash settlement to Molina. The amount was supposed to be confidential but was widely reported as being $400,000.
1999 - Warming up on the mound for the home team that day was Wichita State’s Ben Christensen, widely regarded as the best pitcher in college baseball. Christensen was 21-1 in his college career and seemed destined to be one of the first players selected in the June amateur draft.
He thought Molina was trying to time his pitches, so he directed a 92-mph warm-up throw at Molina, who was standing 24 feet from home plate. Molina looked up just as the ball arrived, crushing his left eye, destroying his vision, breaking three bones and opening a cut that required 23 stitches.
That set off a string of events that made national headlines.
Christensen was suspended for the remainder of the season along with Wichita State pitching coach Brent Kemnitz, who allegedly instructed his pitchers to throw at batters who stood too near the plate and tried to time their warm-up pitches. (Kemnitz was reinstated the following season and remains a member of the Wichita State staff today.)
Christensen was lambasted from coast to coast, although that didn’t keep the Chicago Cubs from making him the 26th selection in the June draft.
It was the start of legal wrangling that went on for 3 1/2 years and culminated with Christensen paying a cash settlement to Molina. The amount was supposed to be confidential but was widely reported as being $400,000.
TR if a player was seriously injured which many have been. The college is liable under the legal principle of Vicarious liability. The college could be sued for the acts of its employs that result in harm and he is found liable. That of course is while that employee is doing his duties for the college.
I am getting dizzy with all this "legal BS"
Let games be played---
Let games be played---
In the past the law has been reluctant to prosecute sports figures. The significance of this ruling is that there is now a successful prosecution and a setting of legal guidelines.
Civil suits like RJM's example have gone on for years.
The college is ultimately liable and the suit would follow the money and ability to pay.
Civil suits like RJM's example have gone on for years.
The college is ultimately liable and the suit would follow the money and ability to pay.
If you want legal BS read the law of TORTS. You won't leaves your house and make sure you muzzle that vicious dog you are harboring.
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Clayton Ruby
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Clayton Charles Ruby, CM, QC is a Canadian lawyer, specializing in constitutional and criminal law and civil rights. He is one of the most famous lawyers in Canada at present, having served as a defence lawyer in a number of high-profile cases.
Ruby received a Bachelor of Arts degree from York University in 1963. He earned an Bachelor of Laws degree from the University of Toronto in 1969, and was called to the bar in 1969. In 1973 he earned an Master of Laws from the University of California, Berkeley.
Since 1973, he has been a partner with the law firm of Ruby & Edwardh (with senior partner Marlys Edwardh) in Toronto, Ontario.
In 2006, he was made a Member of the Order of Canada.
In late 2005, Clayton Ruby became the acting Treasurer, or elected head, of the Law Society of Upper Canada, the body responsible for regulating the Province of Ontario. On February 23, 2006, however, Ruby was defeated in a special election and ceased to be Treasurer.
Clayton Ruby has won support across the political spectrum. Right wing tabloid journalist Judi McLeod wrote in Our Toronto (now The Canada Free Press), "In the courtroom Clayton Ruby is recognized as one of this country's most brilliant criminal lawyers. Other lawyers have told me that internationally he is recognized as a leading theorist and a man of strong principle. Not many know that outside the courtroom, Clayton Ruby is lead crusader in a cause that is no less than vital to keeping Canada a democracy, by enshrining Freedom of the Press. Thank you, Clayton Ruby, for your noble efforts in guarding Freedom of the Press."[citation needed]
Clayton Ruby
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
Clayton Charles Ruby, CM, QC is a Canadian lawyer, specializing in constitutional and criminal law and civil rights. He is one of the most famous lawyers in Canada at present, having served as a defence lawyer in a number of high-profile cases.
Ruby received a Bachelor of Arts degree from York University in 1963. He earned an Bachelor of Laws degree from the University of Toronto in 1969, and was called to the bar in 1969. In 1973 he earned an Master of Laws from the University of California, Berkeley.
Since 1973, he has been a partner with the law firm of Ruby & Edwardh (with senior partner Marlys Edwardh) in Toronto, Ontario.
In 2006, he was made a Member of the Order of Canada.
In late 2005, Clayton Ruby became the acting Treasurer, or elected head, of the Law Society of Upper Canada, the body responsible for regulating the Province of Ontario. On February 23, 2006, however, Ruby was defeated in a special election and ceased to be Treasurer.
Clayton Ruby has won support across the political spectrum. Right wing tabloid journalist Judi McLeod wrote in Our Toronto (now The Canada Free Press), "In the courtroom Clayton Ruby is recognized as one of this country's most brilliant criminal lawyers. Other lawyers have told me that internationally he is recognized as a leading theorist and a man of strong principle. Not many know that outside the courtroom, Clayton Ruby is lead crusader in a cause that is no less than vital to keeping Canada a democracy, by enshrining Freedom of the Press. Thank you, Clayton Ruby, for your noble efforts in guarding Freedom of the Press."[citation needed]