Does anyone know if the NCAA is honoring the extra year? I was looking at Miss State's roster and it lists players as class and eligibility. Their 2019 JUCO kids are showing as Sophomore's and so is a 2020 JUCO kid. I haven't been able to find anything one way or the other on if the NCAA is honoring it or not.
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Son has been told by multiple NCAA coaches that as a 2020 he would have 3 years remaining. So he will leave Juco and be listed as a sophomore at his next school.
My 2021 has a 2019 buddy he played HS ball with that spent the last 2 years at Iowa Western CC. He's now at East Carolina as a "freshman." Imagine getting 2 years under a perennial top 25 Juco program and then still having 4 years of eligibility remaining. Yes, 2020 was a shortened season due to Covid, but it's crazy to me that 2019s and 2021s can in be the exact same place eligibility-wise. What an advantage. They're both freshmen right now, but one spent the last 2 years playing HS ball while the other spent the last 2 years at a Juco powerhouse. I'm not bitter (anymore, ha!), but I'd be lying if I said I didn't wish my kid was born 2 years earlier.
THIS is TOTAL BS! Not only do potential college baseball players have tons of hurdles (that not all other sports necessarily have) but NOW THIS!?!?!?!? Unbelievalbe! My 2024 surely will be in the midst of this crap. UHG!
My understanding is that the school has to apply for an extension of the waiver for each student, but I have seen lots of kids who attended 2 years of juco now listed as freshman on D1 rosters.
Watching the Rose Bowl Utah had a 25yo junior. He got a religious waiver for his two year LDS mission. He’s also received a two year Covid waiver. How do kids coming out of high school compete against 24-26yos?
If I’m a college coach I’m recruiting transfer men over yet to physically develop 18yos.
When I was a 16 year old Freshman in College, the average age of the College baseball team was 21 years old.Played 1b and hit 5th in the lineup.
The team included returning Military Veterans with the GI Bill.
My son was 14 years old when he played "18 & under Summer baseball against 40 future MLB players in Northern California.
Today, the player needs to adjust to the "faster" pace and study his competition.
Bob
Thirteen years ago my son played 17u as a 15U eligible. But this is high school age. Most high school athletes aren’t physically men. He was 6’ 160 his first year and 6’1” 175 as a senior. He hit 6’2” 190 in college.
Anything either of us did in college ball has changed significantly since those days. There wasn’t the push for physical development back then that exists today. That said I was 6’1” 185. But I’m sure my son was a lot stronger even though he wasn’t that much bigger.
The only freshmen who will be playing in top fifty programs the next couple of years will be top prospect studs.
I still think you will have guys who are productive playing. This woe is me attitude has become a national thing to me. Covid was the same for everyone and everyone has to face difficulties. I've had so many parents tell me how how bad it has been on their kid. It has been bad on all people. We want to revert back to our selfishness. The 2020 HS class says I didn't get a graduation or prom or on and on. Neither did every other 2020 grad in HS and college. All HS parents say my kid didn't get a 2020 baseball season. Neither did college guys. It affected everyone and we either learn to deal with it or we keep making excuses for our kids. Did it change baseball recruiting? Absolutely but you either whine about it or learn quickly how to deal with it. Remember the 2020 freshmen college class didn't play a freshman season and has had to deal with the transfers just like the HS recruiting classes and the 2019 class who had waited their year to get to play in 2020 got messed over and then the flood of transfers came in. They either adapted or got left behind. So, let's lose the woe is me because woe is everyone in some way or another.
@PitchingFan posted:I still think you will have guys who are productive playing. This woe is me attitude has become a national thing to me. Covid was the same for everyone and everyone has to face difficulties. I've had so many parents tell me how how bad it has been on their kid. It has been bad on all people. We want to revert back to our selfishness. The 2020 HS class says I didn't get a graduation or prom or on and on. Neither did every other 2020 grad in HS and college. All HS parents say my kid didn't get a 2020 baseball season. Neither did college guys. It affected everyone and we either learn to deal with it or we keep making excuses for our kids. Did it change baseball recruiting? Absolutely but you either whine about it or learn quickly how to deal with it. Remember the 2020 freshmen college class didn't play a freshman season and has had to deal with the transfers just like the HS recruiting classes and the 2019 class who had waited their year to get to play in 2020 got messed over and then the flood of transfers came in. They either adapted or got left behind. So, let's lose the woe is me because woe is everyone in some way or another.
They all did miss something which is why no one should have gotten anything. It is ludicrous that a 2019 can have two seasons under their belt and be a freshmen, when a 2020 who lost the same is now a sophomore. Everyone should have had to chalk it up to a year of bad luck and move on. This made the problem worse. It’s not woe is me, it just is. Their solution compounded the problem.
Am I understanding this correctly?
Before Covid, If a player went 2 years JUCO and graduated JUCO, how many years of NCAA 4 year school eligibility would they have had left? I have never found this number.
Then after covid, only one year of eligibility was granted to all current NCAA student-athletes? Right? I mean everyone get's 5 to play 4, right? Now it's 6 to play 4 where a partial or cancelled season doesn't count against it.
It's still only 1 makeup year, so to me it's not really affecting anyone differently than what was expected. Everyone basically HS 2015-2019 (years might be off) who can afford to stay can get that 4th year back. I think looking at it as an Extra Year is kind of misleading. Maybe a lot of people were thinking it was only going to have a 1 year impact and their kid is a few years out and wouldn't feel the effect but now realize it's a 4 year impact not 1.
would really just like to understand the JUCO rule to grasp if that particular scenario of the freshman after 2 years juco is accurate.
@baseballhs posted:They all did miss something which is why no one should have gotten anything. It is ludicrous that a 2019 can have two seasons under their belt and be a freshmen, when a 2020 who lost the same is now a sophomore. Everyone should have had to chalk it up to a year of bad luck and move on. This made the problem worse. It’s not woe is me, it just is. Their solution compounded the problem.
Again, it is in perspective. Every college player got the same amount of time back. The ones who are upset are the high school players. I think the fact that it was equal for all 4 year college guys makes it okay.
I have talked to a few coaches and there has been no official response as to whether the two years that juco gave back will be considered the same by the NCAA. Coaches are assuming it will but there has not been an official statement according to the coaches I talked to. Everyone knows they get 2020 back but don't know about 2021.
@HSDad22 posted:Am I understanding this correctly?
Before Covid, If a player went 2 years JUCO and graduated JUCO, how many years of NCAA 4 year school eligibility would they have had left? I have never found this number.
Then after covid, only one year of eligibility was granted to all current NCAA student-athletes? Right? I mean everyone get's 5 to play 4, right? Now it's 6 to play 4 where a partial or cancelled season doesn't count against it.
It's still only 1 makeup year, so to me it's not really affecting anyone differently than what was expected. Everyone basically HS 2015-2019 (years might be off) who can afford to stay can get that 4th year back. I think looking at it as an Extra Year is kind of misleading. Maybe a lot of people were thinking it was only going to have a 1 year impact and their kid is a few years out and wouldn't feel the effect but now realize it's a 4 year impact not 1.
would really just like to understand the JUCO rule to grasp if that particular scenario of the freshman after 2 years juco is accurate.
for D1 baseball, it's 5 calendar years to play 4 season. it doesn't matter how many seasons were at the juco. for example if a juco kid missed his sophomore season due to injury, but graduated and transferred to D1, he could still play 3 more years.
NCAA granted one extra year to the 5-year clock due to covid.
The juco "issue" is that lots of juco guys played a full season in spring 2021, but NJCAA is giving them a pass on that season anyway (in addition to the 2020 season which was shut down). So if a juco kid gets the NCAA waiver he could come to a D1 campus with 4 more seasons to play, plus 4 years to play those season (the normal 5 years + the extra covid year - 2 years at juco).
I agree it is perspective, but I think you don’t mind it because your son got a year….
The juco extra year of eligibility (i.e. more than 4-year schools) was announced in fall '20, there was an informative thread:
The NCAA has created a huge problem for college baseball by making an idiotic ruling - not once but twice! The very best players are not negatively affected as they hardly ever are. It’s the other 75% or so that are. When Covid hit in 2020 and the NCAA granted an additional year of eligibility for all spring sport athletes I said then that it would be a cluster#*$& for years to come. Some disagreed with me then but the reality is becoming obvious to all involved. The truth is that it’s now harder than ever for a HS player (who isn’t a top 20% talent) to make a college roster and get playing time. And that’s going to continue for a few more years. PitchingFan is right that a “woe is me” outlook about it won’t get you anywhere. It sucks, but it is what it is at this point. So worry about the things you can control. Understand that the target you had before Covid may not be attainable anymore. My suggestion for most is to revise your game plan. This should begin with a very honest conversation with your son, and after that develop a plan based on how that conversation goes. One thing for sure is that if you blindly continue with business as usual you will almost surely end up being disappointed.
@baseballhs posted:I agree it is perspective, but I think you don’t mind it because your son got a year….
I don't mind it because it was equal to everyone at the same time. I don't think the free year was near as detrimental to anyone as the transfer rule will be. The extra year just moved everyone back one year. My son's goal of being drafted did not change and his time to play really probably did not change because he is out of state and he should get his masters if he stays for four years. Very few will stay for five years if they are not gonna get drafted so the having to play 25 year olds is still the rare occurrence. Son's school does not have a load of extra year guys. 1 pitcher and 1 fielder who were both redshirt guys at one point. Both who have degrees in aerospace engineering. Both working on master's degrees.
The transfer rule causes you not to be able to do research anymore. When son walks in on Monday of next week, there could be a new player who is transferring in that was not there at the end of fall ball and the same with next school year. The transfer rule is the one that will impact baseball far greater than the extra year rule. No way you can know who will be there when you get there or when you get back. You can't look at the roster from last year and know what it will look like next year or even next semester.
High level College Baseball teams and the Premier College Summer Leagues will now rival the talent in short season Class A Minor Leagues.
The Pro Scouts will have the opportunity to scout a "high" level of competition.
Use wood bats!!!!
Bob
@Consultant posted:High level College Baseball teams and the Premier College Summer Leagues will now rival the talent in short season Class A Minor Leagues.
The Pro Scouts will have the opportunity to scout a "high" level of competition.
Use wood bats!!!!
Bob
Not to change the subject, but I think that was already the case. Son's and I would go see short season A ball all the time, before they got rid of the affiliate recently. The bet between my boys was always; would there be more hits or errors during the game. Very young undeveloped talent.
We played the Rangers instructional team in the Fall as did several other area universities. I think they lost every scrimmage. They were very young talent.