If you sign a NLI does that guarantee you a roster spot? And if something happens to you before the spring (get injured or become academically ineligible or just leave school) do you still count as a roster spot and then your roster spot can't be filled by another player?
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Francis
do you have the NLI with you? What does the contract say?
Your answers are in the agreement.
Bob
@Francis7 posted:If you sign a NLI does that guarantee you a roster spot? And if something happens to you before the spring (get injured or become academically ineligible or just leave school) do you still count as a roster spot and then your roster spot can't be filled by another player?
Why would you think it would guarantee a roster spot?
Pretty thorough discussion of this here:
https://community.hsbaseballwe...tting-screwed?page=1
This was in 2020 when the covid debacle was first hitting, but the numbers and issues may still apply - or, maybe not?
@CollegebaseballInsights posted:Why would you think it would guarantee a roster spot?
That's what the coach told the player. Unless the coach is lying?
@Francis7 posted:That's what the coach told the player. Unless the coach is lying?
I read the thread from shared by @anotherparent
Maybe this will shed some light, I haven't thoroughly reviewed https://www.ncsasports.org/name-image-likeness
CBI,
I think he is asking about National Letter of Intent.
Guarantees a scholarship, not a roster spot. It seems things would have had to go pretty bad through for a scholarship freshman to lose his roster spot in the fall. To clarify, are you talking about a redshirt or being completely kicked off the team and not able to use the facilities?
@TerribleBPthrower posted:Guarantees a scholarship, not a roster spot. It seems things would have had to go pretty bad through for a scholarship freshman to lose his roster spot in the fall. To clarify, are you talking about a redshirt or being completely kicked off the team and not able to use the facilities?
Correct answer. It does not quarantee a roster spot, but that the institution will provide athletic aid according to the terms on the letter. Player has to abide by all team rules set forth by the HC, even if the player is injured, player has to be present and dressed unless excused.
I know of someone who just lost his NLI and roster spot because he thought he didn't have to attend practice for various reasons at a D2.
I am pretty sure if D2, the coach can use the academic $$. D1 rules might be different, but you can go to NCAA and look it up.
BTW, Google usually provides all the answers.
Someone should have thought through the implications of NLI getting confused with NIL. Maybe they should have found a different set of letters.
What even is a "roster spot" on a D2 team with no roster limit? Some D2 teams have over 50 listed on the roster. Presumably, most of those don't have athletic money.
NCAA has limits of how much athletic scholarship money can be given. If the NLI athlete remains at the school but isn't on the roster, the money can't be given to another player.
The premise that was conveyed to me was, when you sign a NLI and then join the school the following fall, you count towards the roster and if you leave after the fall (and before the spring) it means the school will have to go with one less player in the spring.
That does not seem to make any sense. That's why I was wondering if I was missing something?
Francis, your coach is telling you he only needs 20 players to compete. The remaining are “practice players”.
Bob (Former College Coach)
@Francis7 posted:The premise that was conveyed to me was, when you sign a NLI and then join the school the following fall, you count towards the roster and if you leave after the fall (and before the spring) it means the school will have to go with one less player in the spring.
That does not seem to make any sense. That's why I was wondering if I was missing something?
If a player is planning on transfering he will be required to sign a voluntary withdrawal. This gives the university the right to cancel the scholarship.
That has nothing to do with having one less player. Why would anyone care after they leave the university?
@Francis7 posted:Why would someone volunteer to sign it? And is this different from being released from the NLI?
Because it also releases them to provide transcripts to the new school
@Francis7 posted:Why would someone volunteer to sign it? And is this different from being released from the NLI?
Read what I posted above.
The NLI is just an agreement that if you attend the university they will give you a scholarship to help pay for academics.
Voluntarily withdrawing is the same as quitting and you are giving up your scholarship.
That probably is what is required from the NCAA.
You ask a lot of questions and some of us try to help. I found this info online, you can do the same.
NLI is only for one year. I am assuming since a player wants to transfer mid year he has to sign the volunteer withdrawal.
You should contact Rick for further questions.
Peace out.
@TerribleBPthrower posted:Because it also releases them to provide transcripts to the new school
I'm pretty sure (?) that a school can't block a student from requesting a transcript.
Most schools want an official transcript directly from the school. I’ve actually never heard of a school accepting an unofficial transcript. You need to sign a release and specify where it needs to be sent.
@TerribleBPthrower posted:Most schools want an official transcript directly from the school. I’ve actually never heard of a school accepting an unofficial transcript. You need to sign a release and specify where it needs to be sent.
It's still about education first though, right? I couldn't imagine School A telling School B "we won't give you his transcript until he signs a piece of paper that refunds the athletic scholarship that was applied against tuition last semester." That's sorta like holding the transcript ransom.
@Francis7 posted:It's still about education first though, right? I couldn't imagine School A telling School B "we won't give you his transcript until he signs a piece of paper that refunds the athletic scholarship that was applied against tuition last semester." That's sorta like holding the transcript ransom.
Believe what you want. Let us know how it works out. One side is holding up their part of the deal and one isn’t. You quit you pay is how I see this playing out
@Francis7 posted:Correct
NIL, NLI. Too many 3 letter words. lol
Let me promise you it happens. Coaches will not release a player who quits so that they cannot get an official transcript to attend another school. Happens all the time to keep a player from being eligible at the next school.
@Francis7 posted:The premise that was conveyed to me was, when you sign a NLI and then join the school the following fall, you count towards the roster and if you leave after the fall (and before the spring) it means the school will have to go with one less player in the spring.
That does not seem to make any sense. That's why I was wondering if I was missing something?
When a player signs an NLI he becomes a counter towards the allowable number of scholarships. Nothing guarantees a roster spot.
