Osama bin Laden

A special thanks to our service men and women who pursued this *** of so long.

Congrats to all who took him down.

Good riddance bin Laden!

Great job by all those responsible for taking down this piece of garbage.

Wow, that's huge. THANK YOU to our brave service men and women!

Julie

Thanks to all US servicemen for getting justice and vengeance for those who lost their lives on 9/11 and the families they left behind.

Let us rejoice tonight but be ready to resume the vigilance to keep our borders safe.

I just got back from New York a few days ago, having toured the World Trade Center site along with my daughter.

God bless our troops. A great victory.

I am thrilled Bin Laden is DEAD.

Some of the reports I have read stress that the body is being treated with Islamic tradition. That is a mistake imho.

What tradition were our 3,000 dead treated to when they were jumping out of the World Trade Center? Some of them their bodies have never been recovered.

I am sorry that my post is political but that is honestly how I feel. I have never gotten over the horror of 9/11 and the stupidity of some in this country on who was at fault. The wounds are still raw for me and I don't want any mercy shown to these evil people. We have dummies in this country who want to see a mosque built at the World Trade Center site. Unbelievably stupid.

I apologize in advance if my post offends and understand if somebody removes it but these are my honest feelings. Death to Al Queda is a good thing. Showing them respect is not.

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Originally posted by ClevelandDad:
I am thrilled Bin Laden is DEAD.

Some of the reports I have read stress that the body is being treated with Islamic tradition. That is a mistake imho.

What tradition were our 3,000 dead treated to when they were jumping out of the World Trade Center? Some of them their bodies have never been recovered.

We are better than terrorists.

I understand that Trump is demanding to see the death certificate.

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Dead indeed!

And for the Donald...proof!




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CD, I understand how you feel. After 10 years, I still feel the same as you. BTW, I heard they dumped his body at sea. A good move, preventing anyone building a memorial to this evil man.

A great victory for America.

I'm conflicted about this, but I feel a little weird about all the fanfare surrounding a human being's death.

It's hard to do justice in just a few words to all the horrid things he's done that we know of, and who knows what else he's done that we will only learn of later if at all.

I would have preferred that we had managed to capture him.

While Osama surely would have met the death penalty in some court had we gotten him alive, I wonder about the precedent of celebrating the deaths of all our perceived arch enemies. I feel like at some point we're bound to celebrate the death of someone who was in fact innocent (not that I think Bin Laden was).

The fact that this death may not affect the war on terror at all makes me wonder if we should be waiting for a better event, like the day all our boys are back in the US, to celebrate.

I understand the conflict in rejoicing over any death, but in all candor, my first thought and prayer was "Okay God, he's all yours. You handle it now." (and then I had the giggly thought, in my best Sarah Palin voice, "So how are those 21 virgins working out for ya now?")

It's good to have this nutcase gone from this world.

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Well said hokieone!

Think of it this way JPontiac...Osama bin Laden was the founder and leader of an organization that is committed to destroying our great country.

Imagine being a parent and knowing there are thousands and thousands of terrorists willing to kill all of your children. And make no mistake about it, this is what they are committed to doing.

And realize there are good and courageous people willing to put their lives on the line to save your precious children. These brave people volunteered to serve our country in the military and intelligence agencies. And like minded people are serving in other countries' governments as well. They all deserve our unending gratitude. And our unending support.

We're jubilant about their remarkable success. A very key component of the evil organization has met his justifiable demise. He picked a fight and he got what he bargained for...he's on the bottom now!




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Killing him was the only option they had. Taking him alive could have created dangerous hostage situations.

He was buried at sea which is in Islamic tradition and removes any doubt that a shrine could be created.

For all of those who have lost family and friends in the WTC, I understand their joy and jubilation. Those lost were people from all diversities as well as religious beliefs.

Thank you to the people who have place their lives in jeopardy to have justice served.

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Originally posted by JPontiac:
I'm conflicted about this, but I feel a little weird about all the fanfare surrounding a human being's death.

It's hard to do justice in just a few words to all the horrid things he's done that we know of, and who knows what else he's done that we will only learn of later if at all.

I would have preferred that we had managed to capture him.

While Osama surely would have met the death penalty in some court had we gotten him alive, I wonder about the precedent of celebrating the deaths of all our perceived arch enemies. I feel like at some point we're bound to celebrate the death of someone who was in fact innocent (not that I think Bin Laden was).

The fact that this death may not affect the war on terror at all makes me wonder if we should be waiting for a better event, like the day all our boys are back in the US, to celebrate.

I understand where you're coming from and have no problem with it. It is a terrible thing to rejoice in another human's life ending but here is how I accept it - he is the cause of thousands of deaths. Not only American but all over the world. In fact thousands probably don't even touch the actual number of deaths he caused. To me that's not human and very few people in the history of the world can achieve this status - Hitler, Mussolini, Saddam - are examples of pure unadulterated evil and hatred. I have no problem with "people" like this meeting their end.

What makes bin Laden even worse is he took a peaceful religion and twisted it to fit his own agenda. I'm not sure of the exact number but something around only 20% of the Muslim faith are like bin Laden. All religions have their extreme followers that the majority don't claim.

This is how I accept it.

Maybe all his nutcase followers will go dance on his grave...

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May I have this dance?






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Originally posted by ClevelandDad:

I apologize in advance....

ABSOLUTELY no apology necessary!!!!!!

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What makes bin Laden even worse is he took a peaceful religion and twisted it to fit his own agenda.

I think this is something that most people lose sight of. I was raised in a suburb of New York City. My father is South African born and American raised. My mother is American born and Brazilian raised. My father's family is Jewish, and my mother's family is Catholic. The city that I grew up in is extremely diverse, to the point where if you walked through the halls of my high school, you'd encounter just about every kind of walk of life, race, and religion.

I have several friends who practice the Muslim faith. After 9/11, I became interested in learning more about the religious ways of the people and tried to get a better understanding of the "jihadist" (holy struggle, for those unfamiliar) mindset. What I found throughout my readings and through the knowledge of my friends is that Islam as a whole is an incredibly in depth religion with many deeply entrenched core values that trace back thousands of years. Islam tries for peace and tranquility amongst it's people, and is based off of those values that were set thousands of years ago.

I was in sixth grade when the planes flew into the World Trade Center. You could see the puff of smoke from my bedroom window when the towers collapsed. I lost some people that were close to my family in that tragedy, although I was not personally affected as much as many others were. The state of the NYC metro area during the aftermath of the event was incredible. I've never seen so many tears, so many millions of people embracing each other to get through such a time. Mayor Giuliani was hailed and supported more than any government official I can ever remember. I remember the first baseball game played after the attack, a game in which Mike Piazza hit a home run to centerfield to in the 8th inning for the Mets. It seemed as if fireworks were going off in Shea Stadium that night, and all of New York was smiling for the first time for that brief moment.

The one thing I wish wasn't truthful was the fact that it took nearly ten years to find Osama. I am completely aware that it took years of covert operations and difficult tracking through unknown terrain and unfriendly territories. The absolute last thing I am doing is questioning the soldiers who took it upon themselves to make this mission a success. As a proud American, however, I wish it would have happened earlier.

Next step: fix the 16 acre hole in the ground in downtown Manhattan that was created on September 11th, 2001.

Lastly, thank you to all the military personnel who have served our country since the strike. I think sometimes people give an empty hearted thanks, not particularly caring much about the actual actions of those protecting our freedom, but rather just recognizing their actions and not much else. These people dedicate their lives to the United States of America, and should be praised for their courageous acts. We sit on this website and idolize those that don uniforms and play in ballparks in front of thousands, but without the soldiers that are fighting for us, the freedom we have to do so would not exist.

To all the grieving families out there that were affected by the 9/11 attacks in New York, the Pentagon, or Shanksville, PA, I hope that the death of Osama bin Laden can provide you with a little brighter light in your unimaginably changed lives.

I would have liked to have seen the look in Osama's eyes when in those last seconds he saw that justice was at hand. Capture would have opened a whole new can of worms, so this was the best case scenerio--an American bullet putting the finishing touch on his evil. Dump him in the sea and let Woody's friend dispose of him.

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Originally posted by JPontiac:
...I feel a little weird about all the fanfare surrounding a human being's death....

This fanfare is very much different from the public celebration exhibited by bin Laden and his supporters on 9/11. They performed the same kind of singing and dancing. Only that party was to celebrate the unprovoked massacre of thousands of innocent people.

Today, we celebrate the death of the cause of that day.

And I don't look at it like an opportunity to throw a party and relish in the death another human being. But it is a day to rejoice that the ENTIRE WORLD is a safer place because bin Laden is dead. Much like the day Hitler (May 1st also by the way) and Hussein died.

It is a good day for the good of the world.

And He Will Surely Be Disappointed In Paradise

In the words of Hawk Harrelson:

"He gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

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Originally posted by J H:
Next step: fix the 16 acre hole in the ground in downtown Manhattan that was created on September 11th, 2001.

Lastly, thank you to all the military personnel who have served our country since the strike. I think sometimes people give an empty hearted thanks, not particularly caring much about the actual actions of those protecting our freedom, but rather just recognizing their actions and not much else. These people dedicate their lives to the United States of America, and should be praised for their courageous acts. We sit on this website and idolize those that don uniforms and play in ballparks in front of thousands, but without the soldiers that are fighting for us, the freedom we have to do so would not exist.

To all the grieving families out there that were affected by the 9/11 attacks in New York, the Pentagon, or Shanksville, PA, I hope that the death of Osama bin Laden can provide you with a little brighter light in your unimaginably changed lives.

Good thoughts.

I never, ever take our military for granted. About two months ago, someone started a thread on our deadliest month in Afghanistan. I changed my avatar to a flag that ran at half mast for one month after the thread. After the one month period, I've since changed my avatar to a military progression where young men and women are carrying the US flag in honor of our beloved fallen dead. I will continue to honor them.

I will never put a baseball player (including my own son) ahead of our men and women who are in harm's way. No doubt in my mind who the heros in this country are and that includes our police and firemen as well.

To our Navy Seals and Intelligence that supported them, I am so proud of you that tears are flowing from my eyes as I write this Tears of gratitude. Tears of sadness for the needless suffering of our innocent.

To Obama, you get credit from me. I wished you wouldn't have tried to take credit yesterday however for the operation but merely give credit to those who executed it. You'll get your just due so there was no need to take some of it in your speech yesterday. Show some leadership now and oppose the mosque in NYC. I am happy with the burial at sea and I think that was a good decision.

To BUM, CPLZ, and DaddyBo and our other members here who have kids in the Academy or the military, my thoughts and prayers and thanks go out to your kids. They are true heros.

To JPontiac, I understand your feelings but ask you undestand mine. Evil was eliminated and that is a good thing. I am so happy the Navy Seals train the way they do as evil was shot right between the eyes.

To Matt - I am not part of the "we" you speak of. To hell with bin Laden, to hell with his body, and to hell with liberalism. If Bill Clinton had one ounce of competence, bin Laden and his ilk would have been dead long ago.

Watching the Phillies-Mets game last night, I couldn't seem to stop getting goosebumps every time I heard the chants of "U-S-A" arising throughout the crowd.

Nice shooting, Tex.

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Originally posted by Three Bagger:
I would have liked to have seen the look in Osama's eyes when in those last seconds he saw that justice was at hand...

I would bet the ranch that he never saw it coming. SEAL Team 6 probably tapped him twice in the forehead with a 9mm round as soon as he woke up.

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I think sometimes people give an empty hearted thanks, not particularly caring much about the actual actions of those protecting our freedom, but rather just recognizing their actions and not much else.

I think one reason for this is because these people aren't around the military or military families to realize how much they do. Not so much empty hearted as that it's just not something they realize. This describes me I think because when 9/11 happened I was in the middle of KY and really never been around the military. I had an uncle who was in the navy during Vietnam but he never spoke of it. I supported the military and understood what they were doing was important but I really didn't get it.

Now I teach at a school that is very near Camp Lejeune and because of this I have many students and players who have parents that serve in the military. I truly now see how important our military is and how much a family goes through when a parent is overseas. I have a senior football player whose dad spent most of his high school years overseas. He was able to get back in time to watch him play one or two games this fall. The boy was super stoked having him back and I got the honor of meeting him after a game because the player dragged him onto the field.

There are people who don't get it and probably never will but I think most just don't have the exposure the military to understand what they do for us.

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Originally posted by ClevelandDad:
To Matt - I am not part of the "we" you speak of. To hell with bin Laden, to hell with his body, and to hell with liberalism. If Bill Clinton had one ounce of competence, bin Laden and his ilk would have been dead long ago.

You're right. You aren't part of the "we."

So, name one thing Clinton could have done. Remember, when he did try to do something, he was chastised by Republican leaders.

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Well said coach!




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Originally posted by Matt13:

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Originally posted by ClevelandDad:
To Matt - I am not part of the "we" you speak of. To hell with bin Laden, to hell with his body, and to hell with liberalism. If Bill Clinton had one ounce of competence, bin Laden and his ilk would have been dead long ago.

You're right. You aren't part of the "we."

So, name one thing Clinton could have done. Remember, when he did try to do something, he was chastised by Republican leaders.

Matt...the fact that Clinton could have easily taken out bin Laden before 9/11/01 has been extremely well documented since then. See Link

The good news is that I doubt there will be much hand-wringing in similar situations, going forward.

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I'm conflicted about this, but I feel a little weird about all the fanfare surrounding a human being's death.

There is a lot to be said for being young, innocent and idealistic. However, the problem with youth is inexperience.

You are fortunate to have been born and raised on U.S. soil. Likely you will never have to protect your land, your home, or your family from those that don't share your compassion.

No matter the circumstances we should all value life that matters. I would be interested in hearing from you after you've encountered a person like this face to face or you've lost a loved won who did. God forbid that should ever happen and god speed to our troops and commanders who truly understand the threats to our way of life.

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Originally posted by TPM:

He was buried at sea which is in Islamic tradition and removes any doubt that a shrine could be created.

I'm wonderng if this "burial" was conducted from a ship or the helicopter.

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Originally posted by Jimmy03:

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Originally posted by TPM:

He was buried at sea which is in Islamic tradition and removes any doubt that a shrine could be created.

I'm wonderng if this "burial" was conducted from a ship or the helicopter.

I'm wondering how long until it turns up on youtube? Similar to Hussein's execution by hanging.

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Originally posted by redbird5:

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Originally posted by Three Bagger:
I would have liked to have seen the look in Osama's eyes when in those last seconds he saw that justice was at hand...

I would bet the ranch that he never saw it coming. SEAL Team 6 probably tapped him twice in the forehead with a 9mm round as soon as he woke up.

The official report indictated he was up and firing a weapon and given the chance to surrender, when he refused he was shot in the head, followed by the double tap.

My guess is that it was done with the new M-4.

Let's not accuse anyone of being young, innocent and idealistic simply because they don't celebrate bin Laden's death. It's a tough situation...it is war and clearly bin Laden got what he had coming to him and what he wanted rather than being caught alive. Justice, or patriotism, doesn't require celebration in this situation. I don't have problem with those that did/are celebrating...it's just not the feeling I got when I heard.

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Originally posted by ClevelandDad:
To Matt - I am not part of the "we" you speak of.

CD: I think you are either overly emotional or didn't understand Matt's post, which simply states the Americans are better than the terrorists.

I have too much faith in you to believe that you aren't better than a terrorist.