Well, I am pretty conservative and am primarily opposed to Obama based on economics. But..
..there have been a lot of conservative pundits hurting their own cause these past few days. It makes them look small. It is all nitpicking and spurious, IMHO. Second guess the President all you want, but bottom line is, he got the job done, and I for one would congratulate him and thank him as the father of an American soldier.
Maybe the last President shouldn't be second guessed anymore about waterboarding either since it led to the initial infomation that enabled bin Laden to be tracked down.
quote:Originally posted by Bum:
Well, I am pretty conservative and am primarily opposed to Obama based on economics. But..
..there have been a lot of conservative pundits hurting their own cause these past few days. It makes them look small. It is all nitpicking and spurious, IMHO. Second guess the President all you want, but bottom line is, he got the job done, and I for one would congratulate him and thank him as the father of an American soldier.
Totally agree Bum. Obama deserves credit an nobody should try and diminish that.
quote:Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
Maybe the last President shouldn't be second guessed anymore about waterboarding either since it led to the initial infomation that enabled bin Laden to be tracked down.
Totally agree with this as well TX-Husker. The left seems to be hypocritically ignoring the fact how we actually got the information that led to bin Laden's capture. This operation deserves credit by both the left and the right. I don't expect to hear any praise any time soon coming from the left however.
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Some things transcend the political foray in their value and importance. Maybe it is better for a time, or for a thread, to simply appreciate the fact that the deed was done, pray for those lost a decade ago, and thank both those who risked their lives in this action and the higher power for the help.
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With all due respect...
Some things transcend the political foray in their value and importance. Maybe it is better for a time, or for a thread, to simply appreciate the fact that the deed was done, pray for those lost a decade ago, and thank both those who risked their lives in this action and the higher power for the help.
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With all due respect...
Some things transcend the political foray in their value and importance. Maybe it is better for a time, or for a thread, to simply appreciate the fact that the deed was done, pray for those lost a decade ago, and thank both those who risked their lives in this action and the higher power for the help.
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"Zach is Rachel’s little brother. He had a very close call in Afghanistan 2 days ago."
I agree, observer44. My niece sent me this email, yesterday. I really don't know her little brother, but I know Rachel. SSgt Kline doesn't care who is President, or what Donald Trump has to say. He just does his job, quietly. Every day. He's a PJ.
Rescue Airmen engage hostile forces to retrieve 'Fallen Angels'
quote:This operation deserves credit by both the left and the right.
Agree. My point wasn't to slap Bush on the back, or Obama across the face. Just to say things in war are not pretty and sometimes you have to do some unpleasant things to get the job done.
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Thanks for that link AD. Raw bravery. They all have my sincere gratitude. God bless them.
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Thanks for that link AD. Raw bravery. They all have my sincere gratitude. God bless them.
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quote:Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
Maybe the last President shouldn't be second guessed anymore about waterboarding either since it led to the initial infomation that enabled bin Laden to be tracked down.
Still in dispute. While many talking heads, pundits and former administration members mention that, a current Republican member of the Select Committee on Intelligences stated that while the information came from one who was waterboarded, it came out during other interrogation techniques and not from water boarding sessions.
That said, the Bush administration is due credit for continuing the search for OBL and creating the foundation that was built upon by successors. Much like any other endeavor, we stand on the shoulders of those who came before us.
The information came out immediately after the interrogation technique ended as I understand it. The technique is used to create cooperation. Questions asked durning the technique are only ones where the true answers are already known. Once honest answers start to flow, technique is stopped and the real questions start coming out....which is when the name was given. I have not heard anyone dispute that.
"McCain told reporters leaving an intelligence briefing for senators by CIA director Leon Panetta that he has seen no information so far to indicate that techniques like waterboarding factored significantly in the information gathering that led to bin Laden’s death."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/s...1.html#ixzz1LmoRSAXW
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"The senior administration official told reporters on Sunday that “for years, we were unable to identify his true name or his location.” It took until “four years ago” — 2007, then — for intelligence officials to learn al-Kuwaiti’s real name. By then, President Bush had ceased waterboarding and shuttered the black sites, moving the detainees within them, including Mohammed and al-Libbi, to Guantanamo Bay. In a Monday interview, Donald Rumsfeld said “normal” interrogation techniques were used at Gitmo on those detainees."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/s...1.html#ixzz1LmoRSAXW
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"The senior administration official told reporters on Sunday that “for years, we were unable to identify his true name or his location.” It took until “four years ago” — 2007, then — for intelligence officials to learn al-Kuwaiti’s real name. By then, President Bush had ceased waterboarding and shuttered the black sites, moving the detainees within them, including Mohammed and al-Libbi, to Guantanamo Bay. In a Monday interview, Donald Rumsfeld said “normal” interrogation techniques were used at Gitmo on those detainees."
McCain has a position to defend on this issue...of course he's going to say that. In his statement, he admits it in fact DID factor into the fact gathering by disclaiming it with the word "significant". If he thought as strongly about his position as you seem to think he does, he wouldn't have watered down the statement....pardon the pun.
politco......now that's a compelling source. Now, if your second quote is from the new york times, I'm sold.
quote:Originally posted by 13LHPdad:
politco......now that's a compelling source. Now, if your second quote is from the new york times, I'm sold.
Both quotes were widely covered and reported by numerous publications. Choose your favorite
quote:Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
McCain has a position to defend on this issue...of course he's going to say that.
I give McCain more credit than lying about a briefing on intelligence. Note that none present at that briefing contradicted Sen McCain.
The only claims to the contrary I've seen have come from people who have not been in the loop, post the successful action, if at all.
I didn't say McCain was lying. Fact is there's no way to prove this point either way. Anyone who says bin Laden was found because of waterboarding could not prove that. By the same token, no one could prove waterboarding had nothing to do with it either. While none present at that briefing contradicted Sen McCain, none supported him either.
Jimmy - I love your baseball opinions but cannot believe you and Matt13 are so naive.
Lets review the Obama policy for getting information from detainees:
Policy 1:
Policy 2:
Oh please Mr. Khalid Sheik Muhamed (KSM), please tell us the name of bin Laden's courier. Please don't invoke policy number 1.
Which one of those two policies do you suppose worked on KSM?
Please do not cite McCain. He gets respect from me for surviving a prisoner of war camp. He is a liberal with an R next to his name. Joe Lieberman can be rolled out from the left to counter-act the dopey things McCain says if you want to play that game.
Seriously, explain how Obama's policy could have possibly led to KSM giving that information up?
Lets review the Obama policy for getting information from detainees:
Policy 1:
quote:You have the right to remain silent, and that anything you say will be used against you in court; you have the right to consult with an attorney and to have that attorney present during questioning, and that, if you are indigent, an attorney will be provided at no cost to represent you.
Policy 2:
Oh please Mr. Khalid Sheik Muhamed (KSM), please tell us the name of bin Laden's courier. Please don't invoke policy number 1.
Which one of those two policies do you suppose worked on KSM?
Please do not cite McCain. He gets respect from me for surviving a prisoner of war camp. He is a liberal with an R next to his name. Joe Lieberman can be rolled out from the left to counter-act the dopey things McCain says if you want to play that game.
Seriously, explain how Obama's policy could have possibly led to KSM giving that information up?
When were dealing with terrorists , people who would fly planes into buildings and kill as many as possible. The gloves come off. They should not be afforded the same rights as others. They should be fair game to do whatever we have to do to stop them. Water boarding is not nearly as serious as busting in a persons home and shooting them in the eye is it? Personally I have no problem with shooting them in the eye. Only after we have put them through the water boarding process.
I am no concerned with what they will do to our guys in retaliation because we already know what they will do to our guys. Cut their heads off. Torture them. Whatever they feel they can do. We need to take the gloves off with these clowns and let them know we will stop at nothing to stop them. You mess with us and you will pay ten fold.
The same people cheering the killing of UBL and shooting him in the eye and dumping him overboard cried the loudest at water boarding. What a joke. Take the gloves off people this is war. We dropped two big bombs on Japan to end that war. Thousands of people died. Message - Dont attack us like you did at Pearl Harbor and dont start something you cant finish.
If you know a guys will knock your freaking lights out you dont mess with him. If you know he is weak and afraid to do what he has to do you invited issues. Time to put that to rest. I applaud Pres Obama for making the call. Now make some more calls.
I am no concerned with what they will do to our guys in retaliation because we already know what they will do to our guys. Cut their heads off. Torture them. Whatever they feel they can do. We need to take the gloves off with these clowns and let them know we will stop at nothing to stop them. You mess with us and you will pay ten fold.
The same people cheering the killing of UBL and shooting him in the eye and dumping him overboard cried the loudest at water boarding. What a joke. Take the gloves off people this is war. We dropped two big bombs on Japan to end that war. Thousands of people died. Message - Dont attack us like you did at Pearl Harbor and dont start something you cant finish.
If you know a guys will knock your freaking lights out you dont mess with him. If you know he is weak and afraid to do what he has to do you invited issues. Time to put that to rest. I applaud Pres Obama for making the call. Now make some more calls.
quote:Originally posted by Coach_May:
When were dealing with terrorists , people who would fly planes into buildings and kill as many as possible. The gloves come off. They should not be afforded the same rights as others. They should be fair game to do whatever we have to do to stop them. Water boarding is not nearly as serious as busting in a persons home and shooting them in the eye is it? Personally I have no problem with shooting them in the eye. Only after we have put them through the water boarding process.
I am no concerned with what they will do to our guys in retaliation because we already know what they will do to our guys. Cut their heads off. Torture them. Whatever they feel they can do. We need to take the gloves off with these clowns and let them know we will stop at nothing to stop them. You mess with us and you will pay ten fold.
The same people cheering the killing of UBL and shooting him in the eye and dumping him overboard cried the loudest at water boarding. What a joke. Take the gloves off people this is war. We dropped two big bombs on Japan to end that war. Thousands of people died. Message - Dont attack us like you did at Pearl Harbor and dont start something you cant finish.
If you know a guys will knock your freaking lights out you dont mess with him. If you know he is weak and afraid to do what he has to do you invited issues. Time to put that to rest. I applaud Pres Obama for making the call. Now make some more calls.
Totally agree with all of that. Those questions you ask are unanswerable by the left because of their contradictory arguments.
This following quote really hits home Kenny:
quote:Water boarding is not nearly as serious as busting in a persons home and shooting them in the eye is it?
This explains why they have had to come up with 10 different stories regarding OBL's death. It should have been a victory shared by all Americans including the President. Yet, because they so disingenuously argued against water-boarding, now they are stuck trying to explain how an execution order is more humane than water-boarding. The left needs to be defeated in this country. I am sick of them and their dopey/dangerous two-faced-ness.
The harsh interrogation techniques were extremely successful, according to a former Attorney General and a former CIA chief.
I don't understand the debate !
I am in Myrtle Beach SC and just arrived when I heard the great news ! That killer of innocent men, women and children deserved what he got and more ! The mission was amazing and really no surprise that the Pakistanis were hiding him even when the USA was giving them billions .
You really have to understand the militant Muslim mentality to appreciate the significance of killing him . Using human shields is a common practice knowing that Americans will hesitate shooting women and children . they see it as a weakness ! They use your Constitution and humanitarian views to try and defeat you. Our Prime Minister who just won a huge majority is pro USA and Israel ! He cut off all funding to special interest group who many were terror groups using our money to fund attacks on our Constitution !
The Muslim extremists are no longer just backward tribes men who hate us because of our freedom and life style. They are clever monsters who are using our freedoms against us.
I am thrilled that he was terminated and American resolve was rewarded !
I am not even sure why Canadians and Americans under Nato are even involved in the current Middle East unrest . The end result could create a volatile situation that we may regret ! They will still hate us no matter what we do. They hate each other just as much !
I am in Myrtle Beach SC and just arrived when I heard the great news ! That killer of innocent men, women and children deserved what he got and more ! The mission was amazing and really no surprise that the Pakistanis were hiding him even when the USA was giving them billions .
You really have to understand the militant Muslim mentality to appreciate the significance of killing him . Using human shields is a common practice knowing that Americans will hesitate shooting women and children . they see it as a weakness ! They use your Constitution and humanitarian views to try and defeat you. Our Prime Minister who just won a huge majority is pro USA and Israel ! He cut off all funding to special interest group who many were terror groups using our money to fund attacks on our Constitution !
The Muslim extremists are no longer just backward tribes men who hate us because of our freedom and life style. They are clever monsters who are using our freedoms against us.
I am thrilled that he was terminated and American resolve was rewarded !
I am not even sure why Canadians and Americans under Nato are even involved in the current Middle East unrest . The end result could create a volatile situation that we may regret ! They will still hate us no matter what we do. They hate each other just as much !
quote:Originally posted by Coach_May:
I am no concerned with what they will do to our guys in retaliation because we already know what they will do to our guys. Cut their heads off. Torture them. Whatever they feel they can do.
Those animals carve, not cut, heads off. They get some entertainment off a victim choking over their own blood before they die.
That's who were dealing with........................
quote:Our Prime Minister who just won a huge majority is pro USA and Israel ! He cut off all funding to special interest group who many were terror groups using our money to fund attacks on our Constitution !
Bobble: Congrats on that election! That is a big deal! Canada giving America a preview!
Is it just me, or does anyone else find it odd that President Obama makes such clear and direct statements that all the decisions around the bin Laden mission were his alone (using words like "me", "my", "I", etc) yet the decision to bury bin Laden at sea was a "joint decision"?
quote:Originally posted by ClevelandDad:
Jimmy - I love your baseball opinions but cannot believe you and Matt13 are so naive.
So an eleven-year military intelligence analyst, with experience in the Middle East, is naive?
quote:Originally posted by Coach_May:
When were dealing with terrorists , people who would fly planes into buildings and kill as many as possible. The gloves come off. They should not be afforded the same rights as others. They should be fair game to do whatever we have to do to stop them. Water boarding is not nearly as serious as busting in a persons home and shooting them in the eye is it? Personally I have no problem with shooting them in the eye. Only after we have put them through the water boarding process.
I am no concerned with what they will do to our guys in retaliation because we already know what they will do to our guys. Cut their heads off. Torture them. Whatever they feel they can do. We need to take the gloves off with these clowns and let them know we will stop at nothing to stop them. You mess with us and you will pay ten fold.
The same people cheering the killing of UBL and shooting him in the eye and dumping him overboard cried the loudest at water boarding. What a joke. Take the gloves off people this is war. We dropped two big bombs on Japan to end that war. Thousands of people died. Message - Dont attack us like you did at Pearl Harbor and dont start something you cant finish.
If you know a guys will knock your freaking lights out you dont mess with him. If you know he is weak and afraid to do what he has to do you invited issues. Time to put that to rest. I applaud Pres Obama for making the call. Now make some more calls.
This is not a means to combat terrorism. Taking the moral implications out of it, and simply looking at it pragmatically, it exacerbates the ability for anti-US groups to exploit information and fertile populations that would potentially be receptive.
The war against terrorism is not going to be successful if only current terrorists are targeted. We are talking groups of people whose decision cycles are measured in generations, not days, months, or years. What needs to happen is to target those who are not terrorists but are likely candidates to become terrorist sympathizers and/or operatives. Having the ability to control strategic information operations as well as stability operations makes terrorism prevention much more likely. This cannot happen when the US can be easily made to look like a country of immoral, exploitative animals.
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
The Muslim extremists are no longer just backward tribes men who hate us because of our freedom and life style.
They never were. Muslim extremism was fomented by a combination of relative power and economic loss in comparison to European cultures, aggravated by colonialism, which led to a feeling of oppression.
In the period leading up to the Renaissance, the Middle East was the most advanced cultural area in the world. Since that time, the advancement of other cultures has acclerated whereas Middle Eastern cultures, as a collective, tended to stagnate. Combine this with the cultural norms that focus on honor, and you have peoples who feel slighted due to their lack of status. (Again, keep in mind that this is an area where events are remembered for hundreds of years.) The majority of terrorists are not particularly religious, initially. What they are are men (generally) who have absorbed hundreds of years' worth of this feeling, and are easily turned to action by someone who provides a viable scapegoat (in this case, the West/Israel/US/whoever.)
Matt- I don't have any military background and don't have nearly half the knowledge that some others on this board here do relating to the events surrounding OBL. However, to me it seems very difficult...if not impossible...to target "would be" candidates for terrorism. Seems to me that a lot of terrorist-like serial killers seem to slip under the radar in our country. I don't really want to point fingers or voice an opinion politically here, but a good example would be Ted Kazcynski. It took his brother reading his manifesto to figure out who was actually the Unabomber. I mean, Anwar al-Awlaki was born in New Mexico and now is the leader of Al Qaeda. I understand your sentiment, it just doesn't seem possible from my standpoint.
quote:Originally posted by J H:
Matt- I don't have any military background and don't have nearly half the knowledge that some others on this board here do relating to the events surrounding OBL. However, to me it seems very difficult...if not impossible...to target "would be" candidates for terrorism. Seems to me that a lot of terrorist-like serial killers seem to slip under the radar in our country. I don't really want to point fingers or voice an opinion politically here, but a good example would be Ted Kazcynski. It took his brother reading his manifesto to figure out who was actually the Unabomber. I mean, Anwar al-Awlaki was born in New Mexico and now is the leader of Al Qaeda. I understand your sentiment, it just doesn't seem possible from my standpoint.
I'm not saying target specific individuals. I'm saying that a strategic, effects-based plan in which long-term ramifications are considered is the way to go. You're not going to stop terrorism in 5 or 10 years, and you're not going to do it by focusing on kinetic actions against terrorists, because by nature, that becomes a reactive action. (When I say stop, I mean mitigate as much as possible. Terrorism has always and will always exist in some form.) What this plan entails is minimizing the ability for terrorist leaders to use the actions of the US as recruiting fodder and for the US to not harm its own image in the eyes of those populations that would be prone to radicalization.
As long as you worry about what the rest of the world thinks of you, you are weak and ineffective. Wiping out terrorism requires wiping out terrorists. It's not a job for the weak of stomach or social minded. Killing terrorists, instead of empowering them with rights they don't deserve, means survival.
Israel would have been overrun by terrorists and Jew haters a long time ago had they worried one jot or tittle about being a scapegoat. It's simple math......kill more of them than they kill of us.
There is a "Renaissance" going on here.....the United States is tired of playing police officer to a world of nincompoops and simpletons. Ironically, the weakest symbol we have in our nation today, our President, is responsible for the beginning of a new era of warfare. We will not send thousands and thousands of troops to occupy foreign lands in an attempt to democratize them. We will just kill their leaders by targeting them with intelligence squads. Not one single person in this world is safe from being singled out as a dangerous threat to our national security. How do you think the rest of the world's leaders feel about that? Do you think they might rather be our friends? This is as revolutionary as the invention of gunpowder, the creation of the battleship or the development of nuclear missiles.
Israel would have been overrun by terrorists and Jew haters a long time ago had they worried one jot or tittle about being a scapegoat. It's simple math......kill more of them than they kill of us.
There is a "Renaissance" going on here.....the United States is tired of playing police officer to a world of nincompoops and simpletons. Ironically, the weakest symbol we have in our nation today, our President, is responsible for the beginning of a new era of warfare. We will not send thousands and thousands of troops to occupy foreign lands in an attempt to democratize them. We will just kill their leaders by targeting them with intelligence squads. Not one single person in this world is safe from being singled out as a dangerous threat to our national security. How do you think the rest of the world's leaders feel about that? Do you think they might rather be our friends? This is as revolutionary as the invention of gunpowder, the creation of the battleship or the development of nuclear missiles.
Matt I am very aware of the Arab history dating back to Spain Etc.
The hate for our values is taught generation after generation by parents and clerics.
I get the impression that you feel walking the line will somehow make a difference.
That is North American logic and misguided . We will ever convince Muslim extremists that wer are the good guys ! The Muslims who are moderates are just as much a victim as we are. They are happy he is dead and they are the eventual source of a solution but it will take generations !
Islamics are taught to spread their religion world wide and non believers , Infidels who will not convert are to be slain ! Shria Law infiltrates all aspects of their lives and calls for stoning of women, removing the offending limb of a thief etc ! Their are honor killings in the USA and Canada evry year under Shria . Last year here there were 6 prosecutions of Muslim honor killings . They were exposed by relatives of the victims.
Shria has infiltrated British law and last year an attempt to introduce some Shria into Canadian law was thwarted by Canadian Muslims who came here to escape the brutal regimes .
We are not just being attacked abroad but are being infiltrated by extremists . They see us as weak and vulnerable !
You are right that they were left behind because they controlled the influence of the outside world . There are parts of Afghanistan who never heard of 911.
The hate for our values is taught generation after generation by parents and clerics.
I get the impression that you feel walking the line will somehow make a difference.
That is North American logic and misguided . We will ever convince Muslim extremists that wer are the good guys ! The Muslims who are moderates are just as much a victim as we are. They are happy he is dead and they are the eventual source of a solution but it will take generations !
Islamics are taught to spread their religion world wide and non believers , Infidels who will not convert are to be slain ! Shria Law infiltrates all aspects of their lives and calls for stoning of women, removing the offending limb of a thief etc ! Their are honor killings in the USA and Canada evry year under Shria . Last year here there were 6 prosecutions of Muslim honor killings . They were exposed by relatives of the victims.
Shria has infiltrated British law and last year an attempt to introduce some Shria into Canadian law was thwarted by Canadian Muslims who came here to escape the brutal regimes .
We are not just being attacked abroad but are being infiltrated by extremists . They see us as weak and vulnerable !
You are right that they were left behind because they controlled the influence of the outside world . There are parts of Afghanistan who never heard of 911.
quote:Originally posted by PA Dino:
As long as you worry about what the rest of the world thinks of you, you are weak and ineffective.
Let's use routine-activities theory here, since you have a law-enforcement background. We know the three components of crime:
1. Motivated offender
2. Suitable target
3. Lack of a capable guardian
We have placed a lot of effort into components 2 and 3. The level of success can be exponentially increased by limiting the number of motivated offenders. Simply using kinetic means results in a cycle of continuous replacement (as I stated, kinetic operations are reactive.) By creating an environment where potential offenders never reach a level of motivation to commit terrorist acts, the triad becomes much harder to be completed.
We do not live in a vacuum. To say that caring what the world thinks is a sign of weakness is very-shortsighted, and leads to involuntary isolation.
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
I get the impression that you feel walking the line will somehow make a difference.
That is North American logic and misguided . We will ever convince Muslim extremists that wer are the good guys !
I didn't say anything of the sort. By not acting in similar manners as terrorists, we can mitigate those circumstances in which moderate or pre-radical Muslims turn towards extremism. In fact, this is a large part of how Al-Qaeda was run out of Iraq while I was there.
Killing someone is a horrible and terrible tragedy. It should never be celebrated.....thank goodness I never saw OBL as a human. Glad he's gone.
Here's the deal - the Geneva Convetion was a good thing after WWII because it basically established a set of rules for how war should take place. What is accepted, not accepted and all that. Problem is the Geneva convention is meant for countries and we're not fighting them truly. We're fighting ideals and beliefs and those who won't listen to any other side. It would be nice for America to take the moral high ground and not resort to torture but at some point it won't be enough. Hard to beat someone when you play by the rules and they don't.
Matt I think you're on the right track when you talk about the long term plan. I don't think it will ever work though. The only way for terrorism to be stopped is for the Middle East to develop strong stable governments and economies. Whether they are democratic, communist, socialist, monarchies or whatever - they need leadership that will take a stand against terrorism while unifying their people. I don't see that ever happening.
Here's the deal - the Geneva Convetion was a good thing after WWII because it basically established a set of rules for how war should take place. What is accepted, not accepted and all that. Problem is the Geneva convention is meant for countries and we're not fighting them truly. We're fighting ideals and beliefs and those who won't listen to any other side. It would be nice for America to take the moral high ground and not resort to torture but at some point it won't be enough. Hard to beat someone when you play by the rules and they don't.
Matt I think you're on the right track when you talk about the long term plan. I don't think it will ever work though. The only way for terrorism to be stopped is for the Middle East to develop strong stable governments and economies. Whether they are democratic, communist, socialist, monarchies or whatever - they need leadership that will take a stand against terrorism while unifying their people. I don't see that ever happening.
quote:Originally posted by coach2709:
The only way for terrorism to be stopped is for the Middle East to develop strong stable governments and economies. Whether they are democratic, communist, socialist, monarchies or whatever - they need leadership that will take a stand against terrorism while unifying their people.
That is exactly what needs to happen. Empowerment of a general population (or at least the self-perception of empowerment) and relative economic stability are paramount in mitigating the potential for terrorism.
PA Dino you are right !
The Israelis situation is a study in terrorist strateg They are incredible in using media to spread propaganda.
They appeal to activists and so called humanitarians around the world to spread hate of the Jewish people. They cry war crimes when they themslves breach the laws of war daily. Israel follows Int law to the letter.
The so called attach on the flotilla back in May 2010 was a media stunt. Israel follow the San Remo Manual 1994 to the letter in defending their blockade of the hostile Gaza strip . They are very resourceful and appeal to our humanity while committing vial atrocities.
The UN is controlled by Arab States along with a few Euro countries.
America should be fed up with being the worlds police force but unfortunately there are not many I trust to do the right thing !
The Israelis situation is a study in terrorist strateg They are incredible in using media to spread propaganda.
They appeal to activists and so called humanitarians around the world to spread hate of the Jewish people. They cry war crimes when they themslves breach the laws of war daily. Israel follows Int law to the letter.
The so called attach on the flotilla back in May 2010 was a media stunt. Israel follow the San Remo Manual 1994 to the letter in defending their blockade of the hostile Gaza strip . They are very resourceful and appeal to our humanity while committing vial atrocities.
The UN is controlled by Arab States along with a few Euro countries.
America should be fed up with being the worlds police force but unfortunately there are not many I trust to do the right thing !