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Been lurking but felt like I had to ask the forum.   I am a very honest dad about my son's ability.  I get that many parents think their kids can do nothing wrong, that's not me.  Quite simply put though my son is a stud 2023 OF.  He's not tall, or fast to be honest but he just stands out when he plays.  The only problem is he is not getting playing time.  The team he is on has many good players, many committed already but none of the position players are as nearly as good as my son.  I keep telling the travel coach this but it doesn't seem to be working.  Any thoughts?

"Just remember, it's not a lie if you believe it." - George Castanza

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The team he is on has many good players, many committed already but none of the position players are as nearly as good as my son. I keep telling the travel coach this but it doesn't seem to be working.

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Just an Dad who is honest about my son's ability.  It's pretty substantial.






Is this a troll post for laughs?

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Have you thought about bringing him to be evaluated by a third party (former MLB player, teaching professional or scout) to confirm or deny your biased suspicions?  You need information and data points.   Subjective Dad-isms are not going to be productive and help your son in the short or long term.   That is where I'd start before switching teams.   You need a real evaluation with someone who has no dog in the hunt.  Good luck.

JMO.

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Interesting. we were just the opposite. Took him to a travel team a few years ago. First day we just showed up for tryouts and after about an hour the coach said " What are you doing here?

You belong on our A team. I will call the coach."

And so we moved the next day. I guess he was "evaluated".

I do think coaches will play the best players (except of course on Dad teams where their son is the SS).

The solution is very simple. Have him sign up for the next session of Tim the Enchanters school for flamethrowers.

Cost is only $2,500  and after one week he will become a true flamethrower and I guarantee he will NEVER be overlooked again.

“Bones of full fifty men lie strewn about its lair. So, brave knights, if you do doubt your courage or your strength, come no further, for death awaits you all with nasty, big, pointy teeth.”

But seriously he's an OF not a Pitcher, just in case you actually can enchant a flamethrower RHP.  I don't know if you are serious but I like this idea better than moving to the DR.  We are not fluent in Spanish and sounds like too big a risk.   We probably can find a better travel coach in Florida somewhere maybe.

Wouldn’t a stud 2023 have had many travel teams all over him to play for them leading into the summer of 2021? If the current choice isn’t working wouldn’t there be many options available for change? It would look good for their program when he commits to a P5 this summer.

@IAmThatGuy posted:

“Bones of full fifty men lie strewn about its lair. So, brave knights, if you do doubt your courage or your strength, come no further, for death awaits you all with nasty, big, pointy teeth.”

But seriously he's an OF not a Pitcher, just in case you actually can enchant a flamethrower RHP.  I don't know if you are serious but I like this idea better than moving to the DR.  We are not fluent in Spanish and sounds like too big a risk.   We probably can find a better travel coach in Florida somewhere maybe.

You live in Florida and don't know any Spanish? Lots of scouts here, they will give you their unbiased opinion.

No travel coach will take a player with a dad with your attitude.  I can understand why your son isn't playing.

That's an honest opinion.

If you have been lurking, you would know that talking to a coach is a no, no.

And yes, you are THAT Guy.

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@TPM posted:


And yes, you are that Guy.

First, absolutely, and thank you for the perfect setup!  Second - I have a great attitude.  Do you think I might be the problem?  I don't think so but now you have me thinking along those lines.   Maybe I will back off for a bit and ask my wife to address the issue with the coaches.  Thank you TPM.

That guy, your wife shouldn’t address the coaches, either.

Don’t  mean to be repetitive but I will anyway: get an unbiased opinion of the kid’s ability.

And since he’s an outfielder, here’s an unbiased opinion: if you’re looking for a Power 5 spot and he isn’t a power bat, then he better be able to hit for a high average AND fly, as in 6.6 for the 60.

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If he’s not fast, he’s not really a college prospect at all unless he can really hit.

And:  if he’s not fast, he’s not a D1 prospect unless he can consistently hit 92 mph+ pitches 400 feet.

Period.  End of story.

Look man a kid on the team who is a Power 5 commit, is lightning fast.  Prob in that 6.6 range that smokeinside was talking about.  My son is not that kind of fast but he's quick, has that great first step.  When at bat not sure how important speed is as he usually ends up on 2nd, so he doesn't need to steal 2nd.  He always scores on a single from 2nd, well not always. Earlier this summer there was a kind of hard hit ball to LF and my son had that great jump off second, read it perfectly.  The coach throws up the stop sign, my son hesitates and continues through and is thrown out.   Obviously awful. I told him after the game that it was the coach's fault clearly but recommended in the future if he throws up the stop sign he probably should stop.   Son says he will most likely stop unless he's certain he can make it which sounded reasonable.  But back to the point my son is D1 but probably not power 5.  Can hit in the 90's if you are talking about degrees.

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So, I disagree that a parent can't talk to a travel coach.  In fact, most would agree that that's the only kind of coach a parent CAN talk to.  For college recruiting, you need to be talking to him.

But, you absolutely can't be "telling" the coach things.  You should entirely be ASKING him things.  ASK him what kind of colleges your son should be targeting.  Don't argue with him, if you don't like what he says, go find someone else to ask (and if he says that your son is short and slow and not D1, he may know what he's talking about).  ASK him what the team's plan is for getting your son in front of the right coaches.  ASK him what your son needs to do to become better.

Imthatguy,

I just posted in the "Not going to panic" thread about Cedric Mullins.  Keewartson played against him in college (both mid-major D1s, both drafted).  Go and read that thread from the beginning.  It is about a dad who's son wasn't getting college looks.....and now he played this week in the MLB All Star game in Denver.

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@IAmThatGuy posted:

First, absolutely, and thank you for the perfect setup!  Second - I have a great attitude.  Do you think I might be the problem?  I don't think so but now you have me thinking along those lines.   Maybe I will back off for a bit and ask my wife to address the issue with the coaches.  Thank you TPM.

this is the perfect solution, have the wife talk to the coach after you stirred up the hornets nest! What could go wrong?

First thank you all for the great advice.  I think there are a few immediate take aways for us;

1) My wife and I shouldn't talk to the coach about our son.  You all have made that clear.  Would it be wrong for us to speak with the coaches about the other outfielders shortcomings?

2) Tonight we are going to tell our son that he must follow the coaches signs.  I see how ignoring them might be leading to time on the bench.  Serious question though - if he is at bat and knows he can jack the pitcher and the coaches are calling for a sacrifice, its ok to swing in that spot right?

3) We will be getting a 3rd party evaluation of his skills.  That was great advice.  We really need to see what level of D1 he can play at.

4) Dominican - our family loves out of the box thinking and pitchingfan delivered here but its just too risky.  We were up most of last night mapping this out but it won't work. Thank you however.

I will be off line all day and will read the reply replies later.  If I am caught on line at work I will lose my job. It might be worth the risk though when my son gets his full ride. Oh, on 3rd party evaluation you all think its ok if it's my dad? He's been watching baseball his whole life and probably is impartial.

This thread reminds me of the cover page article that appeared in Sports Illustrated on April 1, 1985 about Sidd Finch, a RHP for the NY Mets who could reportedly throw 168 mph. There were other absurdities included in the article as well but at that time SI had so much credibility that some people actually believed it. If you have never read the article, Google it.

@adbono posted:

This thread reminds me of the cover page article that appeared in Sports Illustrated on April 1, 1985 about Sidd Finch, a RHP for the NY Mets who could reportedly throw 168 mph. There were other absurdities included in the article as well but at that time SI had so much credibility that some people actually believed it. If you have never read the article, Google it.

ESPN 30 for 30 shorts did a great piece on this

https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/12547809

I think some of the more effective strategies I've seen are texting the coach during the game if he's not in the lineup (Coaches do make mistakes), requesting to be an assistant coach on the team.. i'd recommend coaching first base, setting up a tripod to film his every move... you never know when magic will happen...  right next to the dugout is the best location and screaming instructions while he's at bat to make sure he performs at his best (after all, every at bat counts), or be the official score keeper...you never know when a close hit/error call will be needed. 

@TPM posted:

Guy says he is from Florida. I can send him to a reliable person for that 3rd party evaluation.

Let's see if he has the balls to do it...excuse the expression.  But if you come here yanking my chain lets see how real you really are.

TPM- I really don't understand the second part of your reply.  As to the first part any chance you are talking about former LLWS star, Yale baseball captain and America's Governor Ron DeSantis as the 3rd party evaluator?  If so please do send his digits in a DM.  Thanks again.

@GloFisher posted:

I think some of the more effective strategies I've seen are texting the coach during the game if he's not in the lineup (Coaches do make mistakes), requesting to be an assistant coach on the team.. i'd recommend coaching first base, setting up a tripod to film his every move... you never know when magic will happen...  right next to the dugout is the best location and screaming instructions while he's at bat to make sure he performs at his best (after all, every at bat counts), or be the official score keeper...you never know when a close hit/error call will be needed.

GloFisher - I really thought texting the coach during the game was a line not to cross but I guess coaches do make mistakes.  As for assistant coaching I've been one before but it ended horribly.  That's a whole thread onto itself.  I didn't see that axe coming.

@IAmThatGuy posted:

TPM- I really don't understand the second part of your reply.  As to the first part any chance you are talking about former LLWS star, Yale baseball captain and America's Governor Ron DeSantis as the 3rd party evaluator?  If so please do send his digits in a DM.  Thanks again.

We can set you up with someone to evaluate your son. If you can't provide info, you proved my point.

@PitchingFan posted:

I will make it interesting.  I can meet you at a field near TPM and her and I can surely give you a fair evaluation.  We both had sons who played P5 and both our sons coach.  If he is as legit as you say, we can give you a recommendation. 

Have to meet in FL as he states that's where he lives. Big training center where I am, owned by sons friend.  Or he can go to Cressy, or his travel team guys. Lots of options. He can attend any D1, D2, Juco camp for evaluation. Or a mlb in his area.

We will as AL to meet us!

@TPM posted:

Have to meet in FL as he states that's where he lives. Big training center where I am, owned by sons friend.  Or he can go to Cressy, or his travel team guys. Lots of options. He can attend any D1, D2, Juco camp for evaluation. Or a mlb in his area.

We will as AL to meet us!

Lets do this! Thank you TPM.  I have been told by everyone that I am very perceptive. You know that I can really read a situation.  I would have sworn that you were calling me out earlier but now I see that you are really trying to help us.  That is much appreciated.   I got called for extra OT today so later tonight or tomorrow evening  I will circle back with the home team to figure out some dates.  I am just outside of Jacksonville, have to think you are south of me.  Awesome stuff!!

@IAmThatGuy posted:

Lets do this! Thank you TPM.  I have been told by everyone that I am very perceptive. You know that I can really read a situation.  I would have sworn that you were calling me out earlier but now I see that you are really trying to help us.  That is much appreciated.   I got called for extra OT today so later tonight or tomorrow evening  I will circle back with the home team to figure out some dates.  I am just outside of Jacksonville, have to think you are south of me.  Awesome stuff!!

Waaaayyy south. But I will put together a suggestion for a plan for you later.

Will send you a private message, whichyou can find at the top corner of the page.

So, I disagree that a parent can't talk to a travel coach.  In fact, most would agree that that's the only kind of coach a parent CAN talk to.  For college recruiting, you need to be talking to him.

But, you absolutely can't be "telling" the coach things.  You should entirely be ASKING him things.  ASK him what kind of colleges your son should be targeting.  Don't argue with him, if you don't like what he says, go find someone else to ask (and if he says that your son is short and slow and not D1, he may know what he's talking about).  ASK him what the team's plan is for getting your son in front of the right coaches.  ASK him what your son needs to do to become better.

i call my son's coach all the time.  he has a line on some really good quality california red oak chunks that makes for fantastic brisket and short ribs.

sell subscriptions to a live stream.  Will pay for everyone's trips.

Agreed.  Might as well invite everyone here's kids and some coaches and call it a camp.

Or maybe leave the coaches out, forget the stream, but invite all the kids and have TPM, PF, ADB, and maybe Cabbage there to tell folks straight up what level they should be targeting or if they should stick to video games.

@JCG posted:

Agreed.  Might as well invite everyone here's kids and some coaches and call it a camp.

Or maybe leave the coaches out, forget the stream, but invite all the kids and have TPM, PF, ADB, and maybe Cabbage there to tell folks straight up what level they should be targeting or if they should stick to video games.

I can't tell a player where they belong, but I know someone who says maybe they can help.

Keep in mind players play all sorts of rolls depending on where you are at. A coach will never turn a player down, but truth is some play every game and some sit. It's up to the player to decide what's important.

In all seriousness, pm sent. If he is serious then he will have to give up some info, and stop acting like a jerk.

btw, AdB, I was absolutely gutted when you beat me to a Sidd Finch reference.

Off Topic, but those were the glory years of baseball: Pete Rose destroying Ray Fosse in a home plate collision at the All star game, Sidd Finch, Mark 'The Bird' Fidrych, Hoyt Wilhelm, Steve Garvey's sexposé, Vida "True" Blue,  Mike Marshall picking Olympic Sprinter Herb Washington off first base in the 74 WS, Carlton Fisk waving his homer fair one night and Bill Buckner waving bye bye to a grounder rolling between his legs the next night.

Geez, I'm getting old.

@fenwaysouth posted:

OMG, what are we supposed to do for the rest of our lives?   

Don't worry some other parent will come by with the "my son is better than everyone on the team but he sits the bench, advice needed".

I am just tired of hearing about bad coaches, coach is stupid, blah, blah blah. True there are some better than others, but enough already.

Or we have a jokester within our community.

It was a brilliant satire, because it was just close enough to what does, in fact, happen.  That's why half called bullshit, and the other half gave serious advice.  Which is good, because future parents might happen onto the thread and start thinking about taking their kids to the DR.

A guy at our high school got ticked at the coach his soph kid was assigned to JV. He felt the kid should have been starting on varsity. He decided he was going to show our high school. He used a transfer loophole rule (phony marriage separation) to move his kid to our rival high school. He didn’t start there either. Not even senior year. It was just another case of a delusional dad of a 14u stud not playing grade appropriate before puberty leveled the playing field.

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Hold On!!! This was a joke?  I'm moving my family to Aussie to get ahead of the pack.

I was told as long as my wife gives birth over international waters, we could claim citizenship.

We know he'll be the best player in the outback in 15 years; We're just being proactive.

BTW, our gender reveal is at JFK-Terminal A Gate 14 at 3:30pm today.

@BOF posted:

Sorry I am so late to this party, but maybe we can team up "that guy" with the guy who wanted to move to Florida and buy some land to build a baseball field next to his house for his son.  Can someone dig up that thread. Classic.

I hate to admit this but I really miss TRhit.

Anotherparent is the champ in finding old posts, if it still is around.

@TPM posted:

Anotherparent is the champ in finding old posts, if it still is around.

A challenge!

BOF referred to this guy in a post from 2012:

https://community.hsbaseballwe...377#2982475077777377

So, it must have been before that.  Now, BOF joined in 2007 (although maybe he was reading before that).  I'm thinking maybe it was this guy from 2009?:

https://community.hsbaseballwe...ound-baseball?page=1

Old threads are awesome.

@adbono posted:

Reading this thread (which was hilarious at points) confirms my beliefs that : TimtheEnchanter & smokeminside are 2 of my favorite posters on this site, and satire is an art that’s unappreciated by many people.

adbono thank you for the complement:

Tim is only here to help the unanointed and unknowledgeable to find the Holy Grail of College Baseball...

For some it is a roster spot at Vanderbilt, for others it is playing for the Cal Tech Beavers...

For those like "Iamthatguy" it is hopefully keeping their sons from becoming the next Todd Marinovich of baseball...

For those who do not know, the Holy Grail of pre-college baseball is to be found in the Cave of the Caebannog (located in Cedar Rapids) where carved in the mystic ruins upon the living rock of Iowa PGStaff wrote "throw 90 and they will find you"

For others the entrance is guarded by a creature so foul, so cruel, that no man has fought with it and lived....

It is called "travel ball coach" who has strewn, outside their lairs of baseball dugouts, the bones of unrealistic dads and moms who thought their sons were the brave knights of "those who say Ni" but were really the drinkers of potions from "former MLB baseball players" who filled their brains that they could create flame - without flint, and tinder...

For that ability - it is only Tim.

...for all other parents death awaits you all... with nasty, big, pointy teeth, it is called youth baseball.

Signed - Tim

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adbono thank you for the complement:

Tim is only here to help the unanointed and unknowledgeable to find the Holy Grail of College Baseball...

For some it is a roster spot at Vanderbilt, for others it is playing for the Cal Tech Beavers...

For those like "Iamthatguy" it is hopefully keeping their sons from becoming the next Todd Marinovich of baseball...

For those who do not know, the Holy Grail of pre-college baseball is to be found in the Cave of the Caebannog (located in Cedar Rapids) where carved in the mystic ruins upon the living rock of Iowa PGStaff wrote "throw 90 and they will find you"

For others the entrance is guarded by a creature so foul, so cruel, that no man has fought with it and lived....

It is called "travel ball coach" who has strewn, outside their lairs of baseball dugouts, the bones of unrealistic dads and moms who thought their sons were the brave knights of "those who say Ni" but were really the drinkers of potions from "former MLB baseball players" who filled their brains that they could create flame - without flint, and tinder...

For that ability - it is only Tim.

...for all other parents death awaits you all... with nasty, big, pointy teeth, it is called youth baseball.

Signed - Tim

You know much that is hidden, O’ Tim

A challenge!

BOF referred to this guy in a post from 2012:

https://community.hsbaseballwe...377#2982475077777377

So, it must have been before that.  Now, BOF joined in 2007 (although maybe he was reading before that).  I'm thinking maybe it was this guy from 2009?:

https://community.hsbaseballwe...ound-baseball?page=1

Old threads are awesome.

I just read these old threads and the Bilal thread.  Very interesting and fun read.  I was aghast at how much personal info that Bilal guy shared.

I was originally taken aback with how everyone seemed to be so quick to beat up on OCM very harshly.  It was very unlike how I've come to know you all (the old timer frequent posters).  Then I found out why when I pulled up OCM's first thread about USSSA... 

It would be interesting to get an update on where their kids ended up.  I think Bilal's son went to Jacksonville State U?

I didn't see anything about someone moving to FL and building a baseball field next to his house.  I want to read that thread next time I'm in the bathroom.... 

My wife and I just spent two days at Lake Keowee in South Carolina.  First we highly recommend that place.  Second, we have decided that our son will be playing his college ball with Clemson.  Now that we have identified the school we can move onto the easier part, getting the offer.  

PS - TPM I didn't say I was leaving... said I was going back into the shadows.  Just re-emerging with our announcement.  

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@IAmThatGuy posted:

My wife and I just spent two days at Lake Koewee in South Carolina.  First we highly recommend that place.  Second, we have decided that our son will be playing his college ball with Clemson.  Now that we have identified the school we can move onto the easier part, getting the offer.  

PS - TPM I didn't say I was leaving... said I was going back into the shadows.  Just re-emerging with our announcement.  

That’s awesome! I think you should go ahead and announce your news on Twitter now. That will show the RC at Clemson that you mean business and he will surely get busy preparing an offer. He probably won’t even waste any time talking to the HC about it. He will know he has to strike while the iron is hot! Brilliant!

@adbono posted:

That’s awesome! I think you should go ahead and announce your news on Twitter now. That will show the RC at Clemson that you mean business and he will surely get busy preparing an offer. He probably won’t even waste any time talking to the HC about it. He will know he has to strike while the iron is hot! Brilliant!

You think?  Sounds good to me.  We probably will just tag the HC in the tweet.  Not sure why we need to involved the RC.   Thanks adbono.  

@IAmThatGuy posted:

You think?  Sounds good to me.  We probably will just tag the HC in the tweet.  Not sure why we need to involved the RC.   Thanks adbono.  

Excellent! In your tweet I would ask the HC for some video of him in games so you can evaluate his coaching style. You have to be certain that he meets your standards. If you let him know that you find him acceptable he will want to schedule a visit to your home right away. Don’t forget to remind him of the jersey and hat sizes for you, your wife, and your son! Exciting times!

One last piece of baseball advice. Before you send out your tweet send it to Iowamom23 so she can proofread it for you. She is really good at making sure the sentence structure and punctuation are just right. If there are any grammatical errors in your tweet the HC won’t be able to understand your intent and he probably won’t respond at all. Gotta get this one right!

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