Parents in nose bleed section

At one of the fields where I umpire regularly, the coach hung black landscape material from the fence surrounding the backstop and dugout entrances. This effectively stopped parents from hanging on the fence talking to, or coaching the players from behind the plate. It forced the fans to sit in the bleachers on each baseline.

It is effective. If there are areas to watch the game and do not interfere with the operation of the game, then I have no problem with it. The only complaint I heard last year was from a parent who complained she couldnt get behind the fence to use her video camera.

From an Umpires point of view, it was outside the field and not a matter of my jurisdiction.

Boy, sounds like he's had it with coaching from the peanut gallery....

Herzog's Rules
1. Be on time.
2. Bust your butt.
3. Play smart.
4. Have some laughs while you're at it!

pitchinside

What is it about coaches that makes them think that they can violate the rights of people who in essence are paying his freight...how stupid can anyone be?


tjro

I'm one of those parents that sits beyond the fence in right field....Great view. The reason for this is all the coaching by parents and the absoulutely RUDE comments about coaches, umps and the players! I have heard parents yell at their kids as they get into the batters, and at the opposing team. I have also seen a head coach, coaching 3rd SCREAM over to his 1st base coach just as our pitcher
was going into his wind up...

The coaches take enough garbage....but I'll never be blamed....I'm in the outfield....lol

You got me...but I wouldn't let anyone tell me how to shoot a picture... suppose they're a little territorial...kind of like a bull elk with his harem (I used to be a park ranger, sorry for the oblique reference).

Herzog's Rules
1. Be on time.
2. Bust your butt.
3. Play smart.
4. Have some laughs while you're at it!

tjro,

How is the coach violating their rights? Is it an inalienable right to sit behind the dish?

The way Dibble posts it makes no sense - the only place to watch the game is behind the OF fence? Either the coach is an idiot or it another figment of andy's imagination.

Pitchinside......Rule # 4 should be used soooooo much more....(by parents) !

I
Never could understand how people can wake up p*ssed and go to sleep the same way.

Herzog's Rules
1. Be on time.
2. Bust your butt.
3. Play smart.
4. Have some laughs while you're at it!

sorry Redbird, tell you what go to MC Nair HS and you will find the only seats are past the outfield fence.



Back to sportsmanship basics
Spectators' behavior alarming to officials


http://www.ajc.com/highschool/content/sports/highschool/0304/14issue.html

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sorry Redbird, tell you what go to MC Nair HS and you will find the only seats are past the outfield fence



Back to sportsmanship basics
Spectators' behavior alarming to officials


http://www.ajc.com/highschool/content/sports/highschool/0304/14issue.html

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Originally posted by tjro:
_pitchinside_

What is it about coaches that makes them think that they can violate the rights of people who in essence are paying his freight...how stupid can anyone be?

http://hometown.aol.com/mjrodriquez/page1.html

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I agree with you 100%. Many coaches use there absolute power in an abusive way.

Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball, the rules and realities of the game—and do it by watching first some high-school or small-town teams.
Jacques Barzun
NY Times 31 May 81

CHICKS

What is your definition of abusive in this context?

TRhit

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CHICKS

What is your definition of abusive in this context?

TRhit

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Trhit,
Anytime anyone uses "granted power" for purposes other than what they were actually intended.

Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball, the rules and realities of the game—and do it by watching first some high-school or small-town teams.
Jacques Barzun
NY Times 31 May 81

chicks

who determines when the "granted power" is not used as intended?

TRhit

As a former coach I can understand the coaches that want to get the parents away from the players. If some of these parents could just see how silly they look or could hear some of the stupid things that they say at the ball game they would be shocked. As a parent I go as far down the left field line as possible to stay away from the "bush league politics" that some of the parents get into. The coaching staff, my son, and the rest of the team need space to grow and mature into a team. As parents we need to allow this to happen.

cbg......AMEN

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chicks

who determines when the "granted power" is not used as intended?

TRhit

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That can be the whole problem when someone has absolute power as do coaches. In these type cases common sense and what is generally considered the norm for your area. If a coach has the power to determine where fans sit at "home" games, what does he do at "away" games? What's to keep a coach from dictating that all parents must listen to games on internet broadcasts because he doesn't want them at the field. As a free society, should we take these rights and freedoms lightly? Just because he is a coach doesn't mean he is right even though he carries around the trump card - "It's best for the team".

Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball, the rules and realities of the game—and do it by watching first some high-school or small-town teams.
Jacques Barzun
NY Times 31 May 81

I have the solution but I was villified when I posted it on another thread. The thing that is most forgotten in all of this is how the coach came to this point in their career. I know I'm not the naive humanist I was when I started 18 years ago.

"There comes a time when you have to stop dreaming of the man you want to be and start being the man you have become." Bruce Springsteen

Chicks

You still did not answer the question--- who makes the determination as to when and if a coach is over the line??

TRhit

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Originally posted by TRhit:
Chicks

You still did not answer the question--- who makes the determination as to when and if a coach is over the line??

TRhit

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Depends on the situation we are discussing. We all know who our bosses are and to whom we must answer and justify the things we do in our jobs. If we are talking about the way someone uses their entrusted power then the people he uses that power on, are the ones that "know" if it's out of line. The coaches AD may care less as long as there are no complaints.

So to answer your question:
"Who makes the determination as to when and if a coach is over the line??"

Answer: "The people that have been unfairly rewarded or abused through the methods employed by usage of this power".

That can be the whole problem when someone has absolute power as do coaches. In these type cases common sense and what is generally considered the norm for your area. If a coach has the power to determine where fans sit at "home" games, what does he do at "away" games? What's to keep a coach from dictating that all parents must listen to games on internet broadcasts because he doesn't want them at the field. As a free society, should we take these rights and freedoms lightly? Just because he is a coach doesn't mean he is right even though he carries around the trump card - "It's best for the team".

Trhit - If you do not understand my point then that's all i've got to say and I'm not going to get in a semantics battle with you, but if you can't understand that some coaches do over use their authority then so be it, it happens all the time.

Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball, the rules and realities of the game—and do it by watching first some high-school or small-town teams.
Jacques Barzun
NY Times 31 May 81

Let's think about this logically...

WHY would the coach HAVE to do this? (possibly parents are talking tio Jr. during the game?)

I doubt the coach woke up one morning and said either of the following:

a) I am omnipotent and I don't want any cheering at our games so........EVERYONE TO THE OUTFIELD!

b) Who wants scouts at our games anyway?!? They don't need to use their radar guns.

c) I need to spend some extra money......hmmmmm....let's put up extra fencing.


Violation of rights?!? absolute power in an abusive way?!?

You gotta be kidding me.

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andy,

Is the above icon for the irrelevant link you posted?

GotAClue,
You are absolutely correct.

redbird
Valid points...doubt he woke up one day and decided to make everyone's life miserable; but, don't you think there could have been a way to fix this along the way before it got to this point? In looking at the original post, I can't think of any other reaction to roping off the spectator sections than "That's just GOOFY!"

Talent Is Never Enough!

DaddyBo,

Since the parents are adults, don't you think a simple "please stay away from the dugout" from the coach would suffice? 99% of the coaches would try this method first. Let's assume we are not dealing with a 1% coach here. I would venture to guess he had this simple conversation a few times.

Shouldn't the parents carry some of this burden to fix the problem short of the fence building?

redbird
Agree! It just seems that both sides had trouble communicating when it goes to this extreme. You would think there would be more than one voice of reason in that group.

Talent Is Never Enough!