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Gotta go to work but I'll leave you with this...

While it regards basketball it represents a larger problem vexing youth sports...

Couldn't get this to Link, (Maybe someone else can) But check the San Francisco Chronicle Website for todays sports of or search for "SF gate" this am for an article entitled...

Parents vs. Coach: Battle goes wild

Gotta love this just for the pure perversity of the situation. Should stimulate some discussion....

As I have said previously the breakdown of western civilization has begun....

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Not to savy with technology but if you go to the San Francisco Chronicle web site you will find the article. Just unbelievable. Then people wonder why coaches want no part of certain situations. What is so evident is that the administration of this school caves in to these parents. They have no guts. We talk about the this situation of parents but I have always said people will do with what you let them.
What happen to the integrity and morality of our elected officials? I was not suprised but extremely disturbed to see the involvement of a Judge in this mess. A small man with a little power. I have seen this personally in my professional life. What kind of judge can he be if he can not manage or handle this situation in a more adult manner? Hopefully for this school and this coach it will get better when this kid graduates. I applaud the coach for her resolve. Maybe she will weather the storm and everybody in this community will learn a valuable lesson.
One of my memories as a high school football player; the team was all weight lifting (mandatory) just after the season ended. The head football coach came into the weight room and started polling the players, individually by name, in a BIG BOOMING voice if we're playing football next year. Coach got to a then junior, 3 sports, 2 year varsity letterman, which was our stud tailback. This kid had an athletic gift. This guy, just to be a smart @ss started his answer with “well, I don’t know coach…” That's all he got out of his mouth before he was shown the door. Shame, he never played his senior year. Our team went on to win conference (there wasn’t a state playoff or tournaments back then, dating myself), coach went on to be the defensive line coach for the Buffalo Bills, and our QB went on to be the head coach of the Minnesota Vikings.

It was his way or the highway… The parents were there to booster and raise money. No one would have dared intervene let alone discuss playing time???????

Wait until “the loves of their lives” comes home to meet the parents and ask for their daughters hand…..
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and our QB went on to be the head coach of the Minnesota Vikings.


Your quarterback was Bud Grant? I always thought you were younger than that Big Grin

Seriously, it was painful to read this story. The mutinous parents were the villains obviously. The cowtowing school officials have handled the situation shamefully. Is there no decency anymore Roll Eyes
Please note that I've consolidated some of the information and edited other portions along with adding bold face on some portions for emphasis.

Selected portions from: San Francisco Chronicle Sunday, October 22, 2006.

Parents vs. Coach: Battle Goes Wild

By: C.W. Nevius.

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It's the kind of over-the-top behavior that's increasingly common -- parents running on the field, screaming from the sidelines and, in the worst cases, punching out officials. It happens when well-intentioned parents let their protective instincts for their children overwhelm their good judgment.

Well-intentioned parents using poor judgment. I could not agree more with that. This certainly is not limited to the Bay Area.


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As Castro Valley athletic director Marie Gray said when she addressed the school board last week, "Thanks. You put Castro Valley on the map."

Thank goodness for that...at first I thought they were talking about the Artichoke Capital of the World...Castroville. We can't be having unrest like this in our nation's artichoke heartland. What a relief!


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At the center of the seven-month maelstrom is Nancy Nibarger, a quiet 20-year teaching veteran who is beginning her third year as head girls basketball coach at Castro Valley. She played college basketball at Kansas State and was an assistant coach at high-powered college programs like Cal and Kansas.

Who wouldn't want such a highly experienced coach like this teaching and coaching your kids? Who can blame her if she ends up sitting in the corner of the gym muttering "I've a feeling I'm not in Kansas anymore."


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In fact, many think the sanctions were designed to force her to quit, but Nibarger is sticking it out. "Some of the kids who chose to back me, and even some who decided to stay out of it altogether, are kind of being bullied," Nibarger says. "That's one of the reasons I decided not to quit. It seemed like the right thing to do."

This is an example of why she is, by all appearances, a very good coach.


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The two assistant coaches Nibarger had last year are not being asked to return. Those two, a member of the Cal women's basketball Hall of Fame and a San Leandro policeman, were told by the school board they were not welcome back, even though there was not a single complaint filed against them.

This is even more troubling than it seems...who would even think about volunteering their valuable time to help the kids if this is how you are treated in this district?


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"Look," says Lauren Otten, a co-captain on Nibarger's first team three years ago and a unanimous all-district choice. "I have played basketball all my life. I played year-round basketball for six years. I know coaches. And she was the calmest, nicest coach I ever had in my life."

What is her agenda? This kid seems like a very credible witness...listen to her.


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"They'd get a little cadre of parents together and itch and moan," says Martha Kohl, a middle school teacher who has been the basketball team scorekeeper for 10 years. Nibarger thinks the heart of the issue is the difference between offseason, paid programs and varsity high school sports, and her former team captain agrees.

Warmer, warmer...now we're getting somewhere!


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Otten says parents typically pay $1,500 a year for private basketball club teams. They don't expect to shell out that kind of money to see their daughter sit on the bench. Nor is it atypical for club coaches to praise a marginal player to the skies. After all, the program needs to keep that money coming. That environment sets unrealistic expectations.

B-I-N-G-O!


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"A lot of people came in thinking great things about themselves," says Otten. "They were expecting a lot of playing time just because they were on the team.'' That sense of entitlement is threatening to overwhelm varsity sports in high school. Parents aren't just questioning the coaches, they are demanding their heads on a platter.

This is just really sad.


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"First," Sweet said, "I want to dispel one story line, which is that this is somehow Judge Goodman's case. That's not true." Maybe not, but the swashbuckling judge -- who pilots a 32-foot gunboat as a "homeland security maritime specialist" for the Alameda County Sheriff's Department -- is certainly deeply involved. Goodman was an assistant coach for the junior varsity team two years ago whose daughter, a guard, will be a senior this season. Although they are careful not to accuse him directly, almost all of Nibarger's supporters believe Goodman spearheaded the protests.

What was the name of the last newsworthy person to be piloting his boat around San Francisco Bay? Scott? Scott who? Oh yeah...Scott Peterson. I know...I know...that's totally irrelevant and absurd...that's exactly why I mentioned it.


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"I think the community kowtowed to these people," says Barbara Siegel, president of the Castro Valley Teachers Association. "He was certainly a part of that power group. He wasn't the only one, but he was one of them.'' Someone certainly had some juice. Although Gray says she didn't "get a single complaint in the AD's office during the season, even an anonymous phone call," the parents group presented Nibarger with a formal letter just after the final game of the season.

Again, very sad.


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"She's making it all about herself," says Sweet. "She has never once acknowledged that there might be a problem." In fact, Sweet says, half of the 14 girls on last year's team signed the original letter protesting Nibarger's coaching. He says Nibarger's supporters would not be standing with her if they knew the real facts.

I actually agree with some of this. I've been vocal on the HSBBW on other threads concerning problems with coaches and problems do exist at times with a coach, but in this case it seems apparent that the facts point to the coach not being a problem.


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"What I want to know," says coach Rodriguez, "is what are these kids going to do when they leave home and have a boss or a professor they don't like? They can't destroy everyone they don't like."


Double B-I-N-G-O...or whatever it is you say after hitting BINGO twice.



C.W. Nevius' column appears regularly. His blog C.W.Nevius.blog and podcast "News Wrap," can be found at SFGate.com. E-mail him at cwnevius@sfchronicle.com.
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I am told by folks involved with both types of programs that the drama level in male high school team sports truely pales in comparison to female programs. Hard to believe given the drama we experienced.

I read an article today by a sports editor taking parting shots on his way out of Salem Oregon:

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There have been some exceptionally difficult situations to work through. Parents of athletes have been overbearing at times, leaving voice mails and writing e-mails as if I were a species lower than human. Kids, as anybody who has been through high school knows, can make one's life miserable as well. Add that to the reality that this is a hard, unforgiving business, and there have been times I wanted to walk out on this endeavor forever.


Reporter Dan Itel says a hearty goodbye to Salem

Note to parents: going after the 22 year old local sports reporter is very bad form. I can't even concoct a reason to attack a reporter covering high school sports.

My perception is the turnover rate in high school coaching is increasing with the parental involvement level. The situation is spiraling downward.
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Here are a couple ways to voice your opinion

Board of Education Members:

George Granger, president Phone: (510) 537-3000, Ext. 1688

Kunio Okui, vice president/clerk Phone: (510) 537-3000, Ext. 1686

John Barbieri Phone: (510) 537-3000, Ext. 1685

Jo Loss Phone: (510) 537-3000, Ext. 1693

Janice Friesen: (510) 537-3000, Ext. 1687

I could not find the Boards e-mail addresses.... To voice my concern and opinion I will be leaving a voicemail. I also e-mailed the coach with a message of support

School e-mail addresses
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Yeah - I had the same reaction - to write a letter to the coach in support. That school is in our league, and has had its fill of racial strife the last few years also. Sounds like a leadership problem.

I also thought the key to the article was the mention of SUMMER TEAMS and the sense of entitlement based on performance, or someone else's perception of the talent level (perhaps based on how much money they pay). And then I thought about it in relation to baseball. I know of key performers on elite summer teams who are recruited by D1 programs but who get little or no playing time due to local high school politics. I also have seen parents of elite summer team players b%#ch and moan when their supposedly elite player is on the JV's, because of a sense of entitlement from their summer team play. And I'm sure you all know of players who have been "stars" on Little League, Babe Ruth, Pony, etc., but then get to high school and can't compete or get beat out by better players, and who become embittered by their whole experience, egged on by parents who start a cancerous whispering campaign behind the coach's back. Either way, baseball is not immune to the problems of basketball.

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