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"MY 2019 IS 5,8 150 LBS"

"pg has seen him from they told me at another event , but he hasn't been to them yet,, TBH I see PBR loves private schools if your kid goes to one they love it..this is my view. comparing what I see , this is not always the case, just my 2 cents

PBR loves to pump up certain programs too, some may argue , just do the homework.

my kid will go to more PBR events ,since hes been invited to them , but I don't take them to be 100% spot on, then again no one is,"

Have to chime in on this one.  In Ohio, PBR, ABSOLUTELY pumps up players from certain travel programs, as well as certain high school programs.  It is clearly obvious, and almost comical at times, regarding some of the things they say about borderline players (but they play in the "right" program), and the numbers they supposedly tested out at (exit velocity, running speed, pops, etc.)  Very political in my mind.  They rarely run a 60 at their events, and I have not a clue how they measure the home to first times (faster kids, getting slower times.  Faster (in general) lefty in the box, getting slower home to first times than a slower (for a fact) right-hander in the box.  Would like to see them be more high-tech in most areas.  Generic right ups for most players.  

Had a summer team father/friend (from Pennsylvania) bring his son across the border for an Ohio event (was looking to improve his numbers, and PA had no events planned at the time).  He was very disappointed in the quality of the Ohio event, as compared to what he was used to over in Pennsylvania.  

I can't see my son attending any PBR events.  I have noticed that there are many college signees that have never been rated by PBR, but they are playing D1 no matter. Being on the right summer/fall teams seems to matter the most.    

Have watched the PBR Ohio site for quite a few years now (and know, have seen, and my son has played with many of their top-rated players), and the patterns are obvious.  Will be following the highly rated kids, moving forward, and hoping they succeed.  Will also likely see quite a few who do not.  Over selling means you have to produce once you get there.  Only time will tell.  

Ohio Dad....I'll disagree with you about PBR on a couple points.  Sure, they do see kids from the top travel programs more than they see others.  1) those kids typically attend more showcase type events/tourneys and 2) PBR guys have connections with those programs.    I live in small town NW Ohio.  I can tell you PBR goes to ALOT of HS games up here and has done a nice job of getting kids from smaller schools some attention and also has given them fair spots in their rankings, even if they didn't attend showcases.  Keep in mind, PBR isn't PG....they are limited on how many kids they can see.  The PBR guys live in the bigger cities, so it's within reason to think that they'll know more about the "local" kids....which are also a lot of the bigger schools.  My son was from a small town NW Ohio school.  He attended a few PBR events and ended up being ranked about where he should have been based on his talents and the kids above him (He's at a D1 now).  Sure they miss a few.  Heck, we know a couple kids really well who were absolute studs as juniors in HS and summer travel who have got to college and ended up not seeing any playing time.  When my son was a freshman/sophomore he was 5'4 and maybe 140.  PBR had seen him.....and had him in their top 150 even at that size because they recognized he had some talent.  As he grew, he moved up.  He ended up 6' and 170 and moved well into the Top 50.   I think the thing you need to remember is that the only way PBR can rank someone is if they see them either in HS, a showcase of a summer event.  I've had people say "Oh, Johnny is better than Tommy"....and I may agree, but how would PBR (or PG...or any other group) know that if Johnny never goes anywhere they can see him.   No PBR/PG type organization is perfect, but I do think that PBR does a nice job for kids here in Ohio.....but everyone is entitled to their opinion.    Happy New Year!!!!

Ohio Dad posted:

"MY 2019 IS 5,8 150 LBS"

"pg has seen him from they told me at another event , but he hasn't been to them yet,, TBH I see PBR loves private schools if your kid goes to one they love it..this is my view. comparing what I see , this is not always the case, just my 2 cents

PBR loves to pump up certain programs too, some may argue , just do the homework.

my kid will go to more PBR events ,since hes been invited to them , but I don't take them to be 100% spot on, then again no one is,"

Have to chime in on this one.  In Ohio, PBR, ABSOLUTELY pumps up players from certain travel programs, as well as certain high school programs.  It is clearly obvious, and almost comical at times, regarding some of the things they say about borderline players (but they play in the "right" program), and the numbers they supposedly tested out at (exit velocity, running speed, pops, etc.)  Very political in my mind.  They rarely run a 60 at their events, and I have not a clue how they measure the home to first times (faster kids, getting slower times.  Faster (in general) lefty in the box, getting slower home to first times than a slower (for a fact) right-hander in the box.  Would like to see them be more high-tech in most areas.  Generic right ups for most players.  

Had a summer team father/friend (from Pennsylvania) bring his son across the border for an Ohio event (was looking to improve his numbers, and PA had no events planned at the time).  He was very disappointed in the quality of the Ohio event, as compared to what he was used to over in Pennsylvania.  

I can't see my son attending any PBR events.  I have noticed that there are many college signees that have never been rated by PBR, but they are playing D1 no matter. Being on the right summer/fall teams seems to matter the most.    

Have watched the PBR Ohio site for quite a few years now (and know, have seen, and my son has played with many of their top-rated players), and the patterns are obvious.  Will be following the highly rated kids, moving forward, and hoping they succeed.  Will also likely see quite a few who do not.  Over selling means you have to produce once you get there.  Only time will tell.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

C2019....you bring up a good point.  PBR states are individually owned.  They aren't all run by the same people.  I've heard some complaints like yours before.  I can only comment on Ohio.  Ohio's guys are very good and the head of PBR Ohio is very well-respected among college coaches.  He used to run one of the top travel programs in the Midwest.  The also had a coach leave a D1 school to come work for them.  They are a pretty good judge of talent and do a nice job, but again, talent evaluation is subjective....not everyone is going to see a kid the same way.  My son was a perfect example.  He had several D1's talking to him....some wanted him only as a MIF, some only as a pitcher....and the one he eventually ended up at gave him a shot at both.  If college recruiting coordinators see kids that differently, I think it's safe to assume PBR guys may see kids differently too. 

C2019....you said you don't agree with PBR having your son in the top 75??  Too high or too low?  If an area scout is talking to your son, there's a good chance the PG top 20 ranking is closer to the truth than the PBR Top 75.  I would expect him to move up in the next PBR ranking....maybe you should be smiling instead of laughing...sounds like your son will have some options

Hello again,

I am sure PBR Ohio does some good things.  Not whining or complaining.  However, I know for a fact that the head guy at PBR Ohio (at least at one time, but probably still is), was, at least at one time, also the head guy for Ohio Elite Baseball (a very good travel program in Columbus, Ohio).  Take a look at the rankings, and note the summer programs and high schools the kids play for.  

2015 LHP had very good experience with both Illinois PBR and PG opportunities.  PBR had well organized events that provided some unbiased assessment of skills, connected son to college recruiters, and gave him additional means of college exposure.  

Not that it matters a ton but living in a small town here in Il. did not help things.Only 1 game covered in person other than playoffs.( in 4 yrs.) We play a pretty good schedule for a smaller school. Theres one school PBR had a couple of kids they were really pushing.Both teams were playing well.My guy was pitching perfect game to cover especially since they were covering 1-2 games a week for the 2 kids. Was a shame the 1 F 6 combined didn't get listed.For @ 6-8 games they had one of their field guys following our team and posting.Too bad it was the freshman/sophomore team. I have nothing but good things to say about PBR events.  Not only would I not let it bother me I wouldn't spend the ten dollars for the premium stuff. Use it for wife or non baseball kid for an ice cream date. This will only work if you don't read their stuff.

Ohio Dad posted:

Hello again,

I am sure PBR Ohio does some good things.  Not whining or complaining.  However, I know for a fact that the head guy at PBR Ohio (at least at one time, but probably still is), was, at least at one time, also the head guy for Ohio Elite Baseball (a very good travel program in Columbus, Ohio).  Take a look at the rankings, and note the summer programs and high schools the kids play for.  

Yes it is the same guy. I am not sure he is associated with that program any longer, he at least is not listed under the contacts. He is also on the board at a Public school.

All that being said. I know most of the best players from this area want to play for the Ohio Elite. I know my son did. He did go to a try out and was placed on a team. The team folded and the coach took him to the Cobra's instead. In most cases at least in Columbus, many of the best players try out for those teams. So it goes to say that if they are indeed the best players they will be listed highly.

I cannot speak for other area's in Ohio, Except maybe the Ohio Warhawks or the Midlands teams, but many of the players on those teams are not necessarily from Ohio, they draw from all over. Midlands have a roster but htere locations are not listed and I do not have time to look them all up.

I am not now or ever have been associated with the Ohio Elite.

Think PBR NY rep is great, knowledgeable and fair evaluator in general for players we knew/know.

Caveat, was/am surprised who national group ranked and invited (on talent over others) to certain events as some states seem to have more pull then others. That is opinion of few people we know and others views certainly will vary.

Monetarily found it a fair return/investment.

2018 was at the University of Iowa winter evaluation showcase today and Rob Allison from PBR Iowa was there to help them with evaluations.  So at least with the Iowa branch I would have confidence.  I believe Rob may run Minnesota as well and at least helped with starting Nebraska last year.  I am quite certain that Coach Heller is also very high on PG which is just up the road.  But significantly more expensive than the PBR events.

With my state I have scratched my head more than once at the rankings.  But, they are going off of the information they have.  They can watch my kid throw 20 pitches off of a mound but that isn't the same as watching him compete in a game.  And last year his team was just .500 and started 5 sophomores on varsity.  Compared with the state champ team that was basically all seniors and multiple D1 kids, yeah we didn't get much face time with the scouts.  And the one game they came to our coaches strategy was to throw one of our lowest velocity kids to try to disrupt their timing.  It didn't work but I understand why he did it.  He was trying to find a way to slow them down.  This year should be different.  I will give them the benefit of the doubt that as they are able to see more kids in action the rankings will get better and more accurate. 

Another perspective...they run an "academic games" showcase over the summer which was much more affordable than PG, and PG's academic showcase was exactly when SAT Subject Exams were administered (and the ONLY chance to take them at the end of the year) too.  So PBR was smart enough to schedule their academic stuff later in the summer.

2017 did VERY well there.  Write up was excellent.  Yet it never translated back and he is still not ranked (over 6 months ago now).  So a mixed experience as the one day academic showcase was run very well, organized well and many colleges 2017 was interested in (Ivy, NESCAC, New England D3 high academics) were there.  

update -My 2019 went to a PBR event and did very well, PBR quick notes were,

 (2019) is a switch hitting catcher/outfielder with impressive tools. Clocked at 80 mph from the crouch and 89 mph from the outfield. Pop times ranged between 1.94-2.08. At the plate, he takes an aggressive cut from both sides of the plate looking to do damage. Also, ran a 4.30 down-the-line. Right hand exit speed 93mph, Left handed speed 89mph,  

  I will say this event was ran much better than the 1st one I went to, but my son was ready this time , he busted his tail this off, in this off season and  gain 30lbs and we had a plan on how to hit and throw, note that im his hitting coach and throwing guy. they did look at him different then the first time, I guess there was a buzz already about him. but we were ready ..

c2019 posted:

update -My 2019 went to a PBR event and did very well, PBR quick notes were,

 (2019) is a switch hitting catcher/outfielder with impressive tools. Clocked at 80 mph from the crouch and 89 mph from the outfield. Pop times ranged between 1.94-2.08. At the plate, he takes an aggressive cut from both sides of the plate looking to do damage. Also, ran a 4.30 down-the-line. Right hand exit speed 93mph, Left handed speed 89mph,  

  I will say this event was ran much better than the 1st one I went to, but my son was ready this time , he busted his tail this off, in this off season and  gain 30lbs and we had a plan on how to hit and throw, note that im his hitting coach and throwing guy. they did look at him different then the first time, I guess there was a buzz already about him. but we were ready ..

I would think there would be quite a buzz about him with those numbers.  Those are good numbers for a senior, excellent numbers for a soph.  Switch hitting catchers are hard to come by.  A good friend's son had major D1 offers after his freshman year putting up numbers similar to what your son did.  He got drafted out of HS, again after his sophomore year (JUCO) and again after his junior year (D1) and is now starting his 3rd year in the minors.  Those numbers will get him noticed if they haven't already.   How big is your son?   I'm thinking your next couple years is going to be exciting....good luck!    My son is a catcher at a mid-major here in Ohio.  We'll need a catcher for the spring of 2020

Buckeye 2015 posted:

c2019 posted:

update -My 2019 went to a PBR event and did very well, PBR quick notes were,

 (2019) is a switch hitting catcher/outfielder with impressive tools. Clocked at 80 mph from the crouch and 89 mph from the outfield. Pop times ranged between 1.94-2.08. At the plate, he takes an aggressive cut from both sides of the plate looking to do damage. Also, ran a 4.30 down-the-line. Right hand exit speed 93mph, Left handed speed 89mph,  

  I will say this event was ran much better than the 1st one I went to, but my son was ready this time , he busted his tail this off, in this off season and  gain 30lbs and we had a plan on how to hit and throw, note that im his hitting coach and throwing guy. they did look at him different then the first time, I guess there was a buzz already about him. but we were ready ..

I would think there would be quite a buzz about him with those numbers.  Those are good numbers for a senior, excellent numbers for a soph.  Switch hitting catchers are hard to come by.  A good friend's son had major D1 offers after his freshman year putting up numbers similar to what your son did.  He got drafted out of HS, again after his sophomore year (JUCO) and again after his junior year (D1) and is now starting his 3rd year in the minors.  Those numbers will get him noticed if they haven't already.   How big is your son?   I'm thinking your next couple years is going to be exciting....good luck!    My son is a catcher at a mid-major here in Ohio.  We'll need a catcher for the spring of 2020

 

thanks, He is going on 5'9 1/2 170 lbs ..