Throwing at a batter and throwing at an ump are no where near the same. There are reasons to bring one in on a player that are part of the game, but throwing at an ump is a childish way to get back at him for a bad call or whatever reason they threw.
In my opinion,
intentionally throwing a pitch at an umpire, is showing complete lack of respect for authority and for the game itself, and should not be tolerated.
If the investigation concludes that this indeed was the case, then it is up to the administration to take action.
The investigation could clear these boys as well.
We dont have all the facts and have not heard from all parties involved.
Until then, I will reserve my judgement.
Just dont think we should bring out the tar-n-feathers yet.
Lets see what the investigation concludes.
intentionally throwing a pitch at an umpire, is showing complete lack of respect for authority and for the game itself, and should not be tolerated.
If the investigation concludes that this indeed was the case, then it is up to the administration to take action.
The investigation could clear these boys as well.
We dont have all the facts and have not heard from all parties involved.
Until then, I will reserve my judgement.
Just dont think we should bring out the tar-n-feathers yet.
Lets see what the investigation concludes.
I live in Georgia and this kind of stuff is embarrassing. There is a lot more information on this on the Georgia sports vent. It sounds as if they have some problems at that program. I would not look for a resolution until after the draft. Don't want to hurt the little darlings chances you know.
Who knows, maybe one day we will all be watching sports center when they show video of a young pitcher throwing at an ump. And we will all marvel at what could have allowed that to happen?
Who knows, maybe one day we will all be watching sports center when they show video of a young pitcher throwing at an ump. And we will all marvel at what could have allowed that to happen?
There is no doubt it was intentional.
Having watched batters brought to their knees by being hit with pitches. I don't think its ok to intentionally hit umps or players.
As dads would say "its all part of the game."
As mom would say " its all fun and games until someone puts an eye out!"
As dads would say "its all part of the game."
As mom would say " its all fun and games until someone puts an eye out!"
First of all, the pitcher who threw this pitcher is not the player that is highly touted and expected to go in the 1st round of the draft (=edited=). It is is Junior Brother =edited= whom has almost as much talent as his brother.
But as they say, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. =edited= earlier in the season was pitching in a Region regular season game and hit a kid in the face with a 95mph FB. The kid went to the hospital with a concussion and I think 14 stitches to the face.
Fast forward to this weekend.
The inning before this umpire was hit, =edited= was struck out. He argued with the umpire and threw his helmet. The pitcher on the opposing team had struck out like 9 batters in a roll at this time. With his brother pitching, do you think there just might could have been a meeting with younger brother and the catcher to "pay back" the umpire for shoddy umpiring?
Do you see a possible pattern of tempers, unsportsmanlike conduct, bad attitudes....etc. etc?
It was reported last night on the local TV news that the umpire is actually having an MRI done for pain and discomfort.
But as they say, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. =edited= earlier in the season was pitching in a Region regular season game and hit a kid in the face with a 95mph FB. The kid went to the hospital with a concussion and I think 14 stitches to the face.
Fast forward to this weekend.
The inning before this umpire was hit, =edited= was struck out. He argued with the umpire and threw his helmet. The pitcher on the opposing team had struck out like 9 batters in a roll at this time. With his brother pitching, do you think there just might could have been a meeting with younger brother and the catcher to "pay back" the umpire for shoddy umpiring?
Do you see a possible pattern of tempers, unsportsmanlike conduct, bad attitudes....etc. etc?
It was reported last night on the local TV news that the umpire is actually having an MRI done for pain and discomfort.
quote:Originally posted by YoungGunDad:
Do you see a possible pattern of tempers, unsportsmanlike conduct, bad attitudes....etc. etc?
I feel sorry for the "good" kids in the program as they will forver be tied to this event. I can't even imagine the mindset of the two kids who pulled this stunt.
There is no question in my mind that the coach allowed this type of behavior to develop over the season and he should be held accountable. Not sure what action but it should be severe.
Either that was an intentional miss, or he is the worst HS catcher I have ever seen. Looking at the high caliber of the play and the circumstances from the previous inning, that was intentional.
Thanks 2Bom. You beat me to it.
As you read the article you will see what I said earlier about the bad attitudes overall on the team...especially during a State championship!
What I don't get is....the high school gets fined and yet the boys get off scott free. I mean, the incident was proven to have happened so why penalize the school? No wonder I'm half grey nowadays! grrrrr
As you read the article you will see what I said earlier about the bad attitudes overall on the team...especially during a State championship!
What I don't get is....the high school gets fined and yet the boys get off scott free. I mean, the incident was proven to have happened so why penalize the school? No wonder I'm half grey nowadays! grrrrr
quote:Originally posted by shortstopmom:
I very kindly ( cough-cough ) gave my old ones to our ump last night,....
when my highschool graduated SS, for the first time in his life, ( minus one inning back in 8th grade ) was pitching!!
quote:Originally posted by YoungGunDad:
But as they say, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. =edited= (the older brother) earlier in the season was pitching in a Region regular season game and hit a kid in the face with a 95mph FB. The kid went to the hospital with a concussion and I think 14 stitches to the face.
Are you saying that this was intentional?
My first though was to watch the video to see how nasty this was. Then I watched it a couple of times, and thought "Yup, he's guilty. The catcher ducked to made sure he cleared the way for the ball".
Then I watched again and put my self in his shoes (cleats). I'm looking for a 73 mph curve, and the pitcher unleashes a 91-92 mph fastball and I've completely lost tracking the ball. It is conceivable he could duck thinking his face/neck was exposed.
I'm not ready to say he's innocent. But, I can't say guilty either. I'm riding the fence on this one unless a teammate or someone with a conscience steps up. I just have difficulty thinking this could be planned and executed.
Then I watched again and put my self in his shoes (cleats). I'm looking for a 73 mph curve, and the pitcher unleashes a 91-92 mph fastball and I've completely lost tracking the ball. It is conceivable he could duck thinking his face/neck was exposed.
I'm not ready to say he's innocent. But, I can't say guilty either. I'm riding the fence on this one unless a teammate or someone with a conscience steps up. I just have difficulty thinking this could be planned and executed.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by wayback:
My first though was to watch the video to see how nasty this was. Then I watched it a couple of times, and thought "Yup, he's guilty. The catcher ducked to made sure he cleared the way for the ball".
Then I watched again and put my self in his shoes (cleats). I'm looking for a 73 mph curve, and the pitcher unleashes a 91-92 mph fastball and I've completely lost tracking the ball. It is conceivable he could duck thinking his face/neck was exposed.
I'm not ready to say he's innocent. But, I can't say guilty either. I'm riding the fence on this one unless a teammate or someone with a conscience steps up. I just have difficulty thinking this could be planned and executed.
Could I interest you in a nice used bridge? Only driven across a couple of times.
My first though was to watch the video to see how nasty this was. Then I watched it a couple of times, and thought "Yup, he's guilty. The catcher ducked to made sure he cleared the way for the ball".
Then I watched again and put my self in his shoes (cleats). I'm looking for a 73 mph curve, and the pitcher unleashes a 91-92 mph fastball and I've completely lost tracking the ball. It is conceivable he could duck thinking his face/neck was exposed.
I'm not ready to say he's innocent. But, I can't say guilty either. I'm riding the fence on this one unless a teammate or someone with a conscience steps up. I just have difficulty thinking this could be planned and executed.
Could I interest you in a nice used bridge? Only driven across a couple of times.
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Sounds like they were placed on double secret probation, but it sounds like they have had issues before - why is the coach still there? Why are the players involved not suspended for a few games next year?
I hope this does not set a precedence.
I apologize to anyone who is offended by this, but I have removed all player names from the posts in this thread.
That might seem very silly since the players are named in news reports elsewhere. But as I have said in previous situations, if there is any doubt I will always err on the side of avoiding "bashing" of youth and HS-aged players in our forums.
I agree that the video looks very suspicious, it appears that some school authorities have enough evidence to make up their minds, and if the umpire was intentionally hit, this act is reprehensible.
But I still will ask all members to try to avoid going over that line between suspicion and anger about the incident, and public trashing of HS-aged players.
Julie
That might seem very silly since the players are named in news reports elsewhere. But as I have said in previous situations, if there is any doubt I will always err on the side of avoiding "bashing" of youth and HS-aged players in our forums.
I agree that the video looks very suspicious, it appears that some school authorities have enough evidence to make up their minds, and if the umpire was intentionally hit, this act is reprehensible.
But I still will ask all members to try to avoid going over that line between suspicion and anger about the incident, and public trashing of HS-aged players.
Julie
It couldnt be more obvious.
Have you ever seen a catcher react to a pitch like that in your life?
I havent - ever.
Fortunately - the ump is OK.
The rest is just a gutless assault by two punks. IMO.
Have you ever seen a catcher react to a pitch like that in your life?
I havent - ever.
Fortunately - the ump is OK.
The rest is just a gutless assault by two punks. IMO.
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MnMom..
I am almost always squarely in your corner, and I am all for keeping names out of this and protecting our youth...
I believe in the freedom of youth to make some mistaakes...and forgiveness for those mistakes...
...however there are times and actions SHOULD engender outrage. There are lines that simply should not be crossed. There are times when we should not simply rollover. There are things we must stand for. There are lines we have to draw.
If our youth are to become solid citizens they must clearly understand where those lines are and realize that as functioning parts of society they must be responible for their actions. Part of that is understanding what kind of community response such actions engender.
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MnMom..
I am almost always squarely in your corner, and I am all for keeping names out of this and protecting our youth...
I believe in the freedom of youth to make some mistaakes...and forgiveness for those mistakes...
...however there are times and actions SHOULD engender outrage. There are lines that simply should not be crossed. There are times when we should not simply rollover. There are things we must stand for. There are lines we have to draw.
If our youth are to become solid citizens they must clearly understand where those lines are and realize that as functioning parts of society they must be responible for their actions. Part of that is understanding what kind of community response such actions engender.
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o44,
I agree with your post.
What has been said so far in this thread seems understandable to me, and my personal reaction to the video and news reports is NOT the same as my note above as forum administrator. But I do feel an obligation in the administrator role, having seen how discussions can sometimes escalate, to make a request to maintain this at the "rightful indignation" level, and not escalate into a "lynch mob" type of discussion.
Julie
I agree with your post.
What has been said so far in this thread seems understandable to me, and my personal reaction to the video and news reports is NOT the same as my note above as forum administrator. But I do feel an obligation in the administrator role, having seen how discussions can sometimes escalate, to make a request to maintain this at the "rightful indignation" level, and not escalate into a "lynch mob" type of discussion.
Julie
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MnMom...
I would agree...it is fine line between indignity and lynch mob status...that too is a line that should not be crossed...too bad that it appears that someone/a coach did not inform the parties involved in the original incident....thanks for the reminder...
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MnMom...
I would agree...it is fine line between indignity and lynch mob status...that too is a line that should not be crossed...too bad that it appears that someone/a coach did not inform the parties involved in the original incident....thanks for the reminder...
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