I was having an interesting discussion at another forum about whether or not pitching sidearm and more specifically submarine are more harmful to an arm than overhand or 3/4 pitching. What is everyone's view on this?
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makeshim
What is the link you have posted?
What is the link you have posted?
Oh, that is my signature... It is a baseball site of mine... Unfortunately my bandwidth for the month is gone. 
Baseball site ???
Yes. The "staff" and I post articles, our views on moves made by teams, etc. There is also a forum.
If nobody can get on to your site why post the link====
Or am I missing something here ???
Or am I missing something here ???
I just never got around to editing it out... 
I to would like to hear peoples thoughts on throwing sidearm and submarine. My son is a Sr. and the coaches started working with him over the winter to throw a submarine pitch. Any thoughts on mixing 3/4 and occasionally coming in submarine?
Zeke
At the age you speak of I see no problem in it if done occasionally as a surprise element and not on a regular basis.
At the age you speak of I see no problem in it if done occasionally as a surprise element and not on a regular basis.
My thought is this. Check the arm angle. Take a picture of the pitcher throwing side arm/sidewinder, just the upper half. Rotate it so that it looks like the player head is vertical. The arm angle will be close to a 3/4 over the top pitcher. Most of the so called side arm sidewinders I see have about the same arm angle as other pitcher they just tilt their shoulders to the throwing side more. My kid will do this to get into a batters head.
I think submarine's a great idea, especially if your son is one of the overwhelming majority of of average pitchers. This may give him a competitive advantage. And of course it's way easier on your arm.
You are lucky to have a coach who thinks outside the box. Most don't. Baseball has a huge herd mentality.
They see a kid throwing submarine, they'll make him throw the 'right' way. Same way everybody else in the herd does .
You are lucky to have a coach who thinks outside the box. Most don't. Baseball has a huge herd mentality.
They see a kid throwing submarine, they'll make him throw the 'right' way. Same way everybody else in the herd does .
A college pitching coach told me that it is not unusual in the professional ranks with a pitcher at the "end of his professional rope" to be asked to experiment with sidearm/submarining as a possible career extender, and some have done so successfully-not as much velocity needed to be successful, specialty-type pitcher.
phillyfan
I respectfully disagree-- the winning coaches have no "herd" mentality-- they are individual thinkers and that is why they win
I respectfully disagree-- the winning coaches have no "herd" mentality-- they are individual thinkers and that is why they win