Player who loses his starting position to a player on steroids

Sabotage his syringe with truth serum!

In the best interest for the other player's long term health and well being, the player who lost the starting position owes it to that player, and his parents, to make sure their son does not die an early death...and report the player to the proper authorities.

What do people think about the other side. If a starter is dirty should the back-up....

Turn his dirty Asss in to the coach.

Is that being a bad teammate?

Does the "rat" lose credibility with the team,

Would he be "blacklisted" by the team if that "dirty" player was a star.

What are the expectations of a coach if the back-up spills the beans?.

There is such a thing as "PROOF"----if you don't have it you better keep your mouth shut and I am talking about real "PROOF" not hearsay

TR-what if the player that is using has it in his locker and the other player sees it. Is that proof enough and should he turn him in?

deldad

I think I come from a different world than you---I never knew a rat because they were never around long---they disappeared from the scene---turn him in? on what basis ?---just because he saw a vial of something ?

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How should a player react to losing a starting postion to a player who does steroids?

you don't say what level? but, it's clear that he has to get BIGGER & STRONGER

1) if T-Ball ... eat more cheerios/oreos

2) if LL ... eat more pizza

3) if hs ... work out, sleep & just eat anything

4) if college ... play in a summer league, work out & see the guy with the suitcase pharmacy in his trunk

5) if beyond college ... work out & see the guy with the suitcase pharmacy in his trunk

I met the suitcase guy at a HS Showcase. This parent had a gym bag full of stuff and his sales pitch to a top 25 college, that a rival college football team was on this stuff. That is would not show up in the NCAA drug test either.

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Originally posted by gotwood4sale:
Sabotage his syringe with truth serum!

how bout an estrogen switch as the alternative.

The downsides are.....

it would justify the nail file on the mound

sanitary hose would return as part of the uniform

man-breasts would be in

baseball cup size not only s/m/lg but B/C/D

clean locker rooms

Nike promotes pumps, heels, and hair ties

team cheers from the dugout

slim fast in the trainers cabinet

Pinstripes color changes so not to clash with opponents

base coaches warned about pats on the rear

Uniform buttons on the other side

throws like a girl is ok

a run may be a uniform flaw

Buds daughter would be the commish

and the list goes on

rz1 that is a pretty funny list.

Let's look at another angle - if the back up does indeed go to the coach what are the chances the coach will listen / take serious?

I know if a kid came up to me and said "Hey, Johhny is on steroids and that is why he beat me out." My first thought will be how pitiful this kid is to make excuses for not being as good as Johnny.

I think that would be a more likely scenario and outcome. Coaches will always think they are putting the best (and clean) players out there.

They better have some proof in hand when they come talk to me - then I may just think they are planting the evidence.

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Originally posted by Frank Martin:
I met the suitcase guy at a HS Showcase. This parent had a gym bag full of stuff and his sales pitch to a top 25 college, that a rival college football team was on this stuff. That is would not show up in the NCAA drug test either.

This is funnier that rz's post.

Interesting topic. I knew of a college team, I won't say which level, where a number of players last year were alleged to be using steroids. I was told about it by a couple players on the team, including the name of the player who was distributing and which players were using. I went so far as to ask about a few kids that weren't mentioned and was told that no, they weren't among the users. I thought long and hard about what to do, and chose to do nothing at the time. I won't go into all my thoughts, but I will say that I had no proof, just hearsay from these two players. Some of the guys who were named were pretty big, but others not so much so. The common thread these guys had was that all but a couple of them were graduating and moving on.

This past summer, I had the chance to talk with one of the coaches from this program, and asked him if the coaches knew anything about some of their players using steroids during the previous spring. He told me that they did not know anything specific, but had heard a few unsubstantiated rumors about a player or two and didn't do anything about it for fear of legal repercussions if they were wrong. He didn't come out and say it, but I got the impression that it was something they perhaps didn't want to know about, but I'm just speculating about this. I think it might have been a situation where as long as they didn't know anything concrete about it, they didn't have to deal with it. I think that the best way to address this is to require testing, even at the collegiate level and perhaps high school. People may get all up in arms, but don't forget that playing sports at an academic institution is a privilege, not a right. If you want to partake of the privlege, perhaps you should have to agree to some testing that might not be acceptable where "rights" are concerned. I think it will work if you take the responsibility off the coaches to do the dirty work and enforce it across the board at all schools and sports. Don't wanna pee? No problem, don't play!

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Originally posted by 06catcherdad:
I think that the best way to address this is to require testing, even at the collegiate level and perhaps high school. People may get all up in arms, but don't forget that playing sports at an academic institution is a privilege, not a right. If you want to partake of the privlege, perhaps you should have to agree to some testing that might not be acceptable where "rights" are concerned. I think it will work if you take the responsibility off the coaches to do the dirty work and enforce it across the board at all schools and sports. Don't wanna pee? No problem, don't play!

It might be a good idea to test in college. It might be financially constraining in high school due to budgets. There are schools threatening to drop. sports due to budgets. My guess is if high schools were forced to test they would pass the cost on to the parents. Therefore, if a parent has a problem, test their kid.

As a teammate and a player, I doubt there is much of anything you can do. Short of putting your head down and working your butt off to beat the cheater, every other option has major pitfalls. If using steroids were the exception as opposed to the dirty little secret it is, it may be ok, but we are not to that point. I am amazed at the number who have or did use.

If I was advising my kid, I would tell them it is not worth it and that they must be confident in their talent and to have some honor in the attempt.

Great post Deldad.