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Ever notice how some posters tend to use ONE example to prove a point.
For instance they might use Greg Maddux or David Eckstein as examples to prove their point. Is this promoting a false hope in some players and their parents? What exactly does using those examples prove?

#1. That it can be done?
#2. That anyone or everyone can do it?
#3. That only Madddux and Eck can do it?

I think #3 is closer to being right than #1 and #2 is way out in left field.

Anytime a poster says "A good example of that" and then they name one well known phenomenal ball players that has proven the odds wrong to substantiate their story I want to come back with 10,000 names of those that tried the same thing and failed --- The only problem is their names are never known. Oh well ---
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Fungo, A very good post. I think sometimes people do that sort of thing to be encouraging. If I want to share my 5'11", under 90 mph throwing son's dreams about his future, it feels good when I see an under six foot, under 90 throwing guy make it. I can believe he has a chance.

We all have dreams and fantasies about things. I don't think there's anything wrong with grasping on to those moments/stories that encourage and foster our dreams. Just have to keep a grasp on reality too... I guess it can be a fine line.
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The SS from Louisville, I wonder who gives him hope!


The shortstop from Louisville (Chris Cates) is 5'3" last time I checked. He played in one of our tournaments while in high school. Among many future first round picks and top high school prospects, we named Chris Cates the MVP of that event and it was very much deserved. What gives him hope is his amazing ability. He may be the exception when it comes to size, but he is also the exception when it comes to talent. It might not happen, but I, for one, would love to see him in the Major Leagues some day.
I saw Louisville play this year and the ability you speak of PG. He is a great "little" player that I suspect was passed over by larger DIs because of his size. He's a great example of what Fungo is speaking of too. Should all 5'3 (I was thinking he was 5'2!) SS think they have a chance because of Dad sharing about Cates?

No, of course not. They should be realistic and realize that the odds are stacked against them. However, they should know that if they have true talent, the lack of size won't hold them back... perhaps fewer opportunities, but they can overcome.
How true! I can honestly say I was never cut from ANY basketball team! Does it matter that I never went out for one? Big Grin

Okay, enough hijacking Fungo's thread. I still believe people need to reach for the stars and yet somehow know when they are out of reach.

IMO, who's to say how long to keep the dream alive other than the individual. Look at all the "starving" artists, writers, actors, (fill in the blank), there are out there. As long as I don't have to foot their bill, they can persue it forever.
Fungo, I believe the Maddux-Eckstein example is given because it shows that (1) It Can Be Done. (pretty obvious, it has been done...by Maddux, Eckstein, Ozzie Smith, Feliciano, Stubby Clapp, Aaron Miles off the top of my head). That's always been one of my examples as to why baseball is the Perfect Game: doesn't hinge on body type.

If we encourage any young ballplayer at any level, are we not potentially giving false hope? Aren't the odds of going pro long, and making the major league club even longer?

What are parents/coaches of the under 6' player to do? "Sorry, kid, you're SOL. Might I suggest s****r?"

Young players naturally identify with those who hold their position in the majors, or those who fit their profile. And there are a heck of a lot more Ecksteinlike players out there than Randy Johnsonlike. Bringing up Our David isn't suggesting the path is easy, just that the path is possible.

I don't know that anyone is attempting to 'prove' a point with such examples; just keeping the door open.

And what purpose would naming the 10,000 Little Guys who didn't make it serve? Particularly considering there are also 10,000 over 6'-ers who thought they could make it and didn't either?


Frank, loved your take
Bee --- now THAT was funny.
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