Well thats fine. But what happens when a kid goes to a PG WWBA event and rakes all weekend? Makes plays in the field and comes up clutch for his team? What happens when he tanks a 90plus fastball out of the park with wood with over 50 college coaches watching the game? Do you think they are worried about what his ranking is? Oh we love this kid but you know he is only ranked a 7.0 by PG. Dang it and we really liked that kid! If he was only ranked a 9 we would offer him today.
With several members expressing skepticism above, I thought I should do a little investigation.
I did some cross-checking of the IP number and e-mail addresses for "mike.black". I suppose it's possible that he is involved in DIII recruiting, but it also appears that he is listed under his real name (not Mike Black) on the Staff page of a competitor of the company he is trying to disparage. I won't mention the name of that competitor, but it is one that has been the topic of discussions on our site before.
"Mike", it looks like you have been here under a couple of different names this year with a similar agenda. Please don't use this site for that purpose any more.
Julie
I did some cross-checking of the IP number and e-mail addresses for "mike.black". I suppose it's possible that he is involved in DIII recruiting, but it also appears that he is listed under his real name (not Mike Black) on the Staff page of a competitor of the company he is trying to disparage. I won't mention the name of that competitor, but it is one that has been the topic of discussions on our site before.
"Mike", it looks like you have been here under a couple of different names this year with a similar agenda. Please don't use this site for that purpose any more.
Julie
quote:Originally posted by MN-Mom:
With several members expressing skepticism above, I thought I should do a little investigation.
I did some cross-checking of the IP number and e-mail addresses for "mike.black". I suppose it's possible that he is involved in DIII recruiting, but it also appears that he is listed under his real name (not Mike Black) on the Staff page of a competitor of the company he is trying to disparage. I won't mention the name of that competitor, but it is one that has been the topic of discussions on our site before.
"Mike", it looks like you have been here under a couple of different names this year with a similar agenda. Please don't use this site for that purpose any more.
Julie
Good work MN!
I feel so used by this
nah JK- he actually gave a lot of good PR to PG!
and when I find out "Mr. Blacks" company- he will get lots of bad word of mouth from me to my other baseball parents-very bush league stuff!
Mike, need a shovel for that hole?
MN-MOM Thanks for checking that out.
PG you have a lot of patience and composure explaining your company. Although I felt the way you were being questioned was inappropriate. Im glad that the poster was exposed.
PG you have a lot of patience and composure explaining your company. Although I felt the way you were being questioned was inappropriate. Im glad that the poster was exposed.
Jerry, looks like you might have to cancel a certain PG Crosschecker account. 
How does one send a PM? I keep trying but is says I'm not logged in, but I am. Sorry to post this on this thread.
quote:Originally posted by kbat2012:
I maybe wrong, but please don't try to convince me otherwise, because I won't listen and won't change my view.
quote:Originally posted by MN-Mom:
but it also appears that he is listed under his real name (not Mike Black) on the Staff page of a competitor of the company he is trying to disparage. I won't mention the name of that competitor
Julie,
For people like me, that don't read between lines real well, or newcomers that don't know the players, why not post the guys name and mention the company? You didn't rip on either one. If he/they said it, there's nothing wrong with attribution.
You could state it as...through investigation of the ip addresses it appears as though this address links to Joe Blow who is an employee of Joes Showcases.
It would certainly make the members and lurkers of this site more informed and educated consumers. Something this site has always stood for and excelled at.
There is no shame in truth or honesty. You wouldn't be doing anymore than that.
JMHO
quote:That's JMHO about PG showcase, I am stick with it. I maybe wrong, but please don't try to convince me otherwise, because I won't listen and won't change my view.
JMHO, in your statement above, there is no " maybe ".
CPLZ,
The IP address and some e-mail evidence match a Representative listed on the Baseball Factory site.
The IP address and some e-mail evidence match a Representative listed on the Baseball Factory site.
Julie,
You're the best!
You're the best!
quote:Originally posted by MN-Mom:
CPLZ,
The IP address and some e-mail evidence match a Representative listed on the Baseball Factory site.
quote:Originally posted by Homerun04:
Since you are a DIII recruiting coach you may need to know that the source you are looking for players gets more professional and DI prospects than anyone else in the business, in order for you to find someone who will do your work, you may want to contact another group which tends to charge a large amount (thousands of dollars) to play on their teams for a tournament and who’s niche is players at lower levels that will send you out recruiting information on those who sign up for their service, if you need their name I can provide that to you.
I guessed right
Interesting topic and some good points made on both sides of the aisle. Its unfortunate that the topic was raised by an obvious tool with an agenda.
From what I've seen of PG ratings over the years- and I've checked thousands of profiles- is that very few players score less than a 7. Personally I've never seen less than a 6, and they are a rare site indeed.
The reality is that there are a miniscule percentage of players that a sleeping blind man can tell are the elite talents. They usually have several tools that would grade out much higher than average, or one tool that is flat out off the charts. For these players,it really matters little if they attend a PG Event or get a grade, things will pretty much take care of themselves.
As you slide down the scale, there's a larger group of 8.5-9.0 guys...and a much larger number of decent players...lets say guys in the 7-8 range. Getting separation in this group is difficult. These players begin to all look alike, and making an accurate eval off a weekend view is very difficult. This becomes a bigger problem as the number of players increases and the number of different people doing the evaluating increases.
Therefore, you end up with a boatload of 7.0's and 7.5's...and from my observation this is the bulk of the scores from the players at these anybody can attend events.
The majority of players that I have seen ranked as 7s are going to be D3/NAIA guys out of high school out in this part of the world, or will head to JUCO.
I do see players who are scored lower than I know they should be. I've seen guys rated as 9.5 that I know are rated way too high, but I have the advantage of seeing these players much more than PG does.
I'd agree with the original post that perhaps the description of the scale is misleading. .
Keep in mind that there is a pretty significant difference between a top 30 and a bottom 30 D1 program. A top 20 D2 school would compete very well with many D1 programs......it isn't a competitive designation necessarily.
Finally, in my opinion, if you obtain a PG score between 7 and 8, it probably does you no good to use this when communicating with a D1 college coach. In the eyes of this rating system, you are an average player who has aspirations of playing in college...and there's nothing wrong with that.
From what I've seen of PG ratings over the years- and I've checked thousands of profiles- is that very few players score less than a 7. Personally I've never seen less than a 6, and they are a rare site indeed.
The reality is that there are a miniscule percentage of players that a sleeping blind man can tell are the elite talents. They usually have several tools that would grade out much higher than average, or one tool that is flat out off the charts. For these players,it really matters little if they attend a PG Event or get a grade, things will pretty much take care of themselves.
As you slide down the scale, there's a larger group of 8.5-9.0 guys...and a much larger number of decent players...lets say guys in the 7-8 range. Getting separation in this group is difficult. These players begin to all look alike, and making an accurate eval off a weekend view is very difficult. This becomes a bigger problem as the number of players increases and the number of different people doing the evaluating increases.
Therefore, you end up with a boatload of 7.0's and 7.5's...and from my observation this is the bulk of the scores from the players at these anybody can attend events.
The majority of players that I have seen ranked as 7s are going to be D3/NAIA guys out of high school out in this part of the world, or will head to JUCO.
I do see players who are scored lower than I know they should be. I've seen guys rated as 9.5 that I know are rated way too high, but I have the advantage of seeing these players much more than PG does.
I'd agree with the original post that perhaps the description of the scale is misleading. .
Keep in mind that there is a pretty significant difference between a top 30 and a bottom 30 D1 program. A top 20 D2 school would compete very well with many D1 programs......it isn't a competitive designation necessarily.
Finally, in my opinion, if you obtain a PG score between 7 and 8, it probably does you no good to use this when communicating with a D1 college coach. In the eyes of this rating system, you are an average player who has aspirations of playing in college...and there's nothing wrong with that.
quote:The IP address and some e-mail evidence match a Representative listed on the Baseball Factory site.
wow...there's a shock.
I hope everyone considering a visit to Tucson in January reads this.
Mn-Mom
mike.black66:
........OH GOOD GRIEF!
Nice try " Mike ".
quote:did some cross-checking of the IP number and e-mail addresses for "mike.black".
quote:The IP address and some e-mail evidence match a Representative listed on the Baseball Factory site.
mike.black66:
quote:A rating system equates to honestly. Why would the integrity of this evaluation system need to be sent through private messaging if there is nothing to hide? Isn't this an open forum? Shouldn't parents know what coaches are viewing? Why am I being insulted for bringing up a topic that is extremely important to me and my job?
quote:I am baffled with this rating system.
........OH GOOD GRIEF!
Nice try " Mike ".
After reading some of the posts here, one would believe... If you would be a high score there is no need to get involved. If you would score at the next level... There is no need to get involved. If you would score extremely low... We have even said there is no reason to get involved.
Guess that means we're doing it all wrong and this thing is certain to fail! Though, I'm kind of surprised by the number of college coaches that subscribe to pgcrosschecker. Seems like they really don't need it at all.
Seeing that 9.5 was used as an example of someone being over rated, I might just list all the 9.5s and above. We don't just give players a grade like that for kicks. That said, I bet we did miss on a couple anyway. Hey... Sometimes we have been wrong! I do know it's much easier to dispute the grades than it is to give them.
Anyway, I'm having our tech guy compile the statistics regarding grading we have done over the past years. I don't know what the results will show, but I'm going to provide them here no matter what they look like. Could be that those statistics might cause us to change the system a bit sooner.
Interesting enough, there is a book that has just been released called appropriately "Perfect Game USA". No it wasn't written by us, but it is about us, for the most part. I've read it and it is well written. I think there are some first hand accounts from parents, players, scouts, etc. that might give someone a different perspective than what some here might think. Even some "grading" stories. To be honest I don't think the book is worth the price tag (I believe it is $35) but it is well written and it does mention some less than flattering stuff about us. Please understand that the author (who actually posts here once in a great while and the HSBBW is mentioned more than once in the book) or PG sets the price. Also, please understand that PG does not make any money off the book. The book was finished quite some time ago and as always, many things have changed since then.
If anyone ever buys this book, please don't complain to us about the price.
Julie, you are quite the detective! I'm glad you figured that out before I made even a bigger fool out of myself.
Oddly enough I've noticed a couple posts have been deleted.
Guess that means we're doing it all wrong and this thing is certain to fail! Though, I'm kind of surprised by the number of college coaches that subscribe to pgcrosschecker. Seems like they really don't need it at all.
Seeing that 9.5 was used as an example of someone being over rated, I might just list all the 9.5s and above. We don't just give players a grade like that for kicks. That said, I bet we did miss on a couple anyway. Hey... Sometimes we have been wrong! I do know it's much easier to dispute the grades than it is to give them.
Anyway, I'm having our tech guy compile the statistics regarding grading we have done over the past years. I don't know what the results will show, but I'm going to provide them here no matter what they look like. Could be that those statistics might cause us to change the system a bit sooner.
Interesting enough, there is a book that has just been released called appropriately "Perfect Game USA". No it wasn't written by us, but it is about us, for the most part. I've read it and it is well written. I think there are some first hand accounts from parents, players, scouts, etc. that might give someone a different perspective than what some here might think. Even some "grading" stories. To be honest I don't think the book is worth the price tag (I believe it is $35) but it is well written and it does mention some less than flattering stuff about us. Please understand that the author (who actually posts here once in a great while and the HSBBW is mentioned more than once in the book) or PG sets the price. Also, please understand that PG does not make any money off the book. The book was finished quite some time ago and as always, many things have changed since then.
If anyone ever buys this book, please don't complain to us about the price.
Julie, you are quite the detective! I'm glad you figured that out before I made even a bigger fool out of myself.
Oddly enough I've noticed a couple posts have been deleted.
PG
This post is not to defend you but to explain why programs and coaches like ourselves attend your events
01-- subsequent to the Warham event every year we run our Warwick 14 team Wood Bat Tournament in Warwick RI--many of the coaches who attend Warham attend the Warwick event because they are in the region and we have 14 teams in attendance all at one site--it all feeds off each other
02-- Many of the kids in the event have just returned from Warham and coaches get to see them in tournament competition-- another perspective for them--we have have coaches who are there for at least three days
03-- we, as a team, attend the qualifiers not for rankings but for the exposure they give us
04-- keep in mind coaches want to see players in action, not read the rankings--they can use the rankings to help them focus but they wills till want to see the players for themselves
The key is TO BE SEEN and it all works together--the ranking at the end of the day may mean nothing other then they to highlight a player that a coach may want to check out on his own.
Everything is relative--you can have 5 coaches watch a kid and not all will have the same reaction to his performance
Folks it is a very difficult process for coaches in making decisions
Sit back and enjoy the ride and try not to be too clinical especially if this is your first ride
Realize this--some of us have more experience in this situation, it doesn't make us experts but it makes us more experienced
Just enjoy the ride
This post is not to defend you but to explain why programs and coaches like ourselves attend your events
01-- subsequent to the Warham event every year we run our Warwick 14 team Wood Bat Tournament in Warwick RI--many of the coaches who attend Warham attend the Warwick event because they are in the region and we have 14 teams in attendance all at one site--it all feeds off each other
02-- Many of the kids in the event have just returned from Warham and coaches get to see them in tournament competition-- another perspective for them--we have have coaches who are there for at least three days
03-- we, as a team, attend the qualifiers not for rankings but for the exposure they give us
04-- keep in mind coaches want to see players in action, not read the rankings--they can use the rankings to help them focus but they wills till want to see the players for themselves
The key is TO BE SEEN and it all works together--the ranking at the end of the day may mean nothing other then they to highlight a player that a coach may want to check out on his own.
Everything is relative--you can have 5 coaches watch a kid and not all will have the same reaction to his performance
Folks it is a very difficult process for coaches in making decisions
Sit back and enjoy the ride and try not to be too clinical especially if this is your first ride
Realize this--some of us have more experience in this situation, it doesn't make us experts but it makes us more experienced
Just enjoy the ride
quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
Though, I'm kind of surprised by the number of college coaches that subscribe to pgcrosschecker. Seems like they really don't need it at all.
PG,
In all fairness, aren't players nationally ranked on pgcrosscheker also? That means you could have an 8.5 at 104 and an 8 at 804 (just as an example, if it is way off, please correct me as I'm not trying to paint a picture with an absurd example). That would be quite a difference and I would think that most coaches would at least cross reference thier PG rating with their PG ranking.
CPLZ,
You have brought up an interesting subject there. I will reply as soon as I get enough time to do so.
You have brought up an interesting subject there. I will reply as soon as I get enough time to do so.