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Chico Escuela posted:
bacdorslider posted:

  On a side note to recruting,  I was talking to a friend of mine who is a RC at a P5 school. He told me how he had been in Atlanta for 3 weeks and was sick of watching high school players try to play baseball.  I asked him if he found any prospects and he said a few. 

 I then asked him about a 2020 I know  that committed to his school  .. and he said yes he's committed, who knows what he will become in three years... He said he could develop over the next 2 years and maybe they could use him his soph year.... but he could also get cut in the fall.  He said that he's a "wait and see commit"

Do you think that 'getting cut in the fall" has ever entered the 2020's mind or his parents mind?  Or how that impacts his college future having to transfer , getting classes to transfer,  I for one doubt they ever think about anything past tweeting and instagramming. 

 

Ouch.  A good reminder to choose a college with a baseball team you want to play for, not a baseball team that happens to be affiliated with a college.

Later commitments would help.  But how do you avoid cheating--coaches whispering the ear of players, parents, or travel team coaches that an offer will be there in a year?  How well are things working in softball?

Serious question:  How often do kids who get cut from a baseball roster decide to transfer because of baseball?  Maybe the college isn't a good fit or grades are bad *and* there is no roster spot... But how often do you think a kid who gets cut transfers to another school so that he can play?  It would be a tough situation...  From the outside, it's clear that school ought to be the primary factor, but I know it's not so cut and dried for many.

the attrition rate is high.... players transferring all the time.  2018's team is sitting on 41-42 players  gotta cut that to 35 by Feb.

bacdorslider posted:
Chico Escuela posted:
bacdorslider posted:

  On a side note to recruting,  I was talking to a friend of mine who is a RC at a P5 school. He told me how he had been in Atlanta for 3 weeks and was sick of watching high school players try to play baseball.  I asked him if he found any prospects and he said a few. 

 I then asked him about a 2020 I know  that committed to his school  .. and he said yes he's committed, who knows what he will become in three years... He said he could develop over the next 2 years and maybe they could use him his soph year.... but he could also get cut in the fall.  He said that he's a "wait and see commit"

Do you think that 'getting cut in the fall" has ever entered the 2020's mind or his parents mind?  Or how that impacts his college future having to transfer , getting classes to transfer,  I for one doubt they ever think about anything past tweeting and instagramming. 

 

Ouch.  A good reminder to choose a college with a baseball team you want to play for, not a baseball team that happens to be affiliated with a college.

Later commitments would help.  But how do you avoid cheating--coaches whispering the ear of players, parents, or travel team coaches that an offer will be there in a year?  How well are things working in softball?

Serious question:  How often do kids who get cut from a baseball roster decide to transfer because of baseball?  Maybe the college isn't a good fit or grades are bad *and* there is no roster spot... But how often do you think a kid who gets cut transfers to another school so that he can play?  It would be a tough situation...  From the outside, it's clear that school ought to be the primary factor, but I know it's not so cut and dried for many.

the attrition rate is high.... players transferring all the time.  2018's team is sitting on 41-42 players  gotta cut that to 35 by Feb.

And those extra 7 kids are likely pretty good ballplayers who could play somewhere.

Here are commits by a collection of D1 schools as of November, 2017.   This was the guide I used to give my son the green light (along with budget, fit, other attributes).  I took from this chart that 90% of the budget for the top P5 schools is spent by November of kids Junior years.  The 2019 kids were HS Juniors in November of last year.  If the right offer was given, he was free to commit.

The last set of NCAA rule changes will do nothing to this chart.  Do your own research for your situation.  Use all the disagreements above to stimulate your own thoughts about your family's situation.

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Go44dad posted:

Here are commits by a collection of D1 schools as of November, 2017.   This was the guide I used to give my son the green light (along with budget, fit, other attributes).  I took from this chart that 90% of the budget for the top P5 schools is spent by November of kids Junior years.  The 2019 kids were HS Juniors in November of last year.  If the right offer was given, he was free to commit.

The last set of NCAA rule changes will do nothing to this chart.  Do your own research for your situation.  Use all the disagreements above to stimulate your own thoughts about your family's situation.

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So, many of those schools are over-recruiting and the majority of those commits won't make the spring roster?  Certainly, Arkansas doesn't have 25 roster openings for their 2018 class.  Or am I reading that wrong?  Thanks.

CTbballDad posted:
Go44dad posted:

Here are commits by a collection of D1 schools as of November, 2017.   This was the guide I used to give my son the green light (along with budget, fit, other attributes).  I took from this chart that 90% of the budget for the top P5 schools is spent by November of kids Junior years.  The 2019 kids were HS Juniors in November of last year.  If the right offer was given, he was free to commit.

The last set of NCAA rule changes will do nothing to this chart.  Do your own research for your situation.  Use all the disagreements above to stimulate your own thoughts about your family's situation.

commits 11 15 17

 

So, many of those schools are over-recruiting and the majority of those commits won't make the spring roster?  Certainly, Arkansas doesn't have 25 roster openings for their 2018 class.  Or am I reading that wrong?  Thanks.

You are not reading that wrong. Go on PG now and Arkansas has 23 commits listed for the 2018 class (not sure about the other 2) -- 1 of the 23 was drafted (and signed), so that leaves 22 planning to play for the Razorbacks next spring.

CTbballDad posted:
Go44dad posted:

Here are commits by a collection of D1 schools as of November, 2017.   This was the guide I used to give my son the green light (along with budget, fit, other attributes).  I took from this chart that 90% of the budget for the top P5 schools is spent by November of kids Junior years.  The 2019 kids were HS Juniors in November of last year.  If the right offer was given, he was free to commit.

The last set of NCAA rule changes will do nothing to this chart.  Do your own research for your situation.  Use all the disagreements above to stimulate your own thoughts about your family's situation.

commits 11 15 17

 

So, many of those schools are over-recruiting and the majority of those commits won't make the spring roster?  Certainly, Arkansas doesn't have 25 roster openings for their 2018 class.  Or am I reading that wrong?  Thanks.

take those PG reported commitments with a grain of salt...they aren't 100% accurate and are self reported by the owner of the profile.

Assuming 22 players verbally committed is correct, how did the Arkansas coach pare that down by the NLI signing date?  He had to go back to some of those players and say sorry I changed my mind, we can't give you an NLI?  Wouldn't word start to spread about a particular program over-committing, which would discourage future potential recruits from verbally "committing" to them?  Not picking on Ark - just using them as an example.  I don't understand how a program can get away with this without damaging their reputation?

Qhead posted:

Assuming 22 players verbally committed is correct, how did the Arkansas coach pare that down by the NLI signing date?  He had to go back to some of those players and say sorry I changed my mind, we can't give you an NLI?  Wouldn't word start to spread about a particular program over-committing, which would discourage future potential recruits from verbally "committing" to them?  Not picking on Ark - just using them as an example.  I don't understand how a program can get away with this without damaging their reputation?

I don't have first hand knowledge of this, but a fair number of kids "commit" knowing they are going to be walk-ons without the benefit of a scholarship (and the attactched NLI). I would wager a guess that up to 20% of announced commitments do not include athletic aid, just my guess. If 27 players on the D1 roster are on scholarship (that's the maximum amount and not a mandated number) and rosters are filled at 35 players across the board, then around 22% of those guys on the roster either committed knowing they weren't going to get athletic aid or lost their scholarships along the way and decided "whatever, I just want to play at XXX."

So is it unscrupulous coaches over-recruiting and hosing the players, or is it players who are deciding (for whatever reason) that they want to commit to XXX, walk-on or not, and will see what happens.

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GaryMe posted
I don't have first hand knowledge of this, but a fair number of kids "commit" knowing they are going to be walk-ons without the benefit of a scholarship (and the attactched NLI). I would wager a guess that up to 20% of announced commitments do not include athletic aid, just my guess. If 27 players on the D1 roster are on scholarship (that's the maximum amount and not a mandated number) and rosters are filled at 35 players across the board, then around 22% of those guys on the roster either committed knowing they weren't going to get athletic aid or lost their scholarships along the way and decided "whatever, I just want to play at XXX."

If you are right, then do the walk-ons get any benefit with admissions (or would that vary by school)?  If my "commitment" to Arkansas means the coach will let show up at fall practices and try to make the team, do I have any assurance I will even be admitted?  And if not, then committing in some cases just means "if you get in, then you can come to try outs"?  Admission at state flagship universities isn't a given, even for in-state applicants.  

Qhead posted:

Assuming 22 players verbally committed is correct, how did the Arkansas coach pare that down by the NLI signing date?  He had to go back to some of those players and say sorry I changed my mind, we can't give you an NLI?  Wouldn't word start to spread about a particular program over-committing, which would discourage future potential recruits from verbally "committing" to them?  Not picking on Ark - just using them as an example.  I don't understand how a program can get away with this without damaging their reputation?

http://www.arkansasrazorbacks....al-of-arms-for-2019/

20 signed NLIs. One of those was drafted and signed.

my guess is that if you have say 42 players coming in for the fall...... 2 injury, 2 grades, 2 transfers 1 quits.... that's about normal. so then the number is 35..... 26-27 travel team depending on conference .... which will be 14 pitchers 2-3 catchers,  4 outfielders, 6 infielders.   

1.) committ......  2.) sign NLI.......  3.) make team ....... 4.) make ncaa roster....  5.) make travel team.......  6.) get to play....     7.) get to start .......

2019Dad posted:
Qhead posted:

Assuming 22 players verbally committed is correct, how did the Arkansas coach pare that down by the NLI signing date?  He had to go back to some of those players and say sorry I changed my mind, we can't give you an NLI?  Wouldn't word start to spread about a particular program over-committing, which would discourage future potential recruits from verbally "committing" to them?  Not picking on Ark - just using them as an example.  I don't understand how a program can get away with this without damaging their reputation?

http://www.arkansasrazorbacks....al-of-arms-for-2019/

20 signed NLIs. One of those was drafted and signed.

Wow that means only 15 guys (at most) stayed from the 2018 team and will get baseball money for 2019, right?  You can only have 35 max on the roster, correct?

Qhead posted:
2019Dad posted:
Qhead posted:

Assuming 22 players verbally committed is correct, how did the Arkansas coach pare that down by the NLI signing date?  He had to go back to some of those players and say sorry I changed my mind, we can't give you an NLI?  Wouldn't word start to spread about a particular program over-committing, which would discourage future potential recruits from verbally "committing" to them?  Not picking on Ark - just using them as an example.  I don't understand how a program can get away with this without damaging their reputation?

http://www.arkansasrazorbacks....al-of-arms-for-2019/

20 signed NLIs. One of those was drafted and signed.

Wow that means only 15 guys (at most) stayed from the 2018 team and will get baseball money for 2019, right?  You can only have 35 max on the roster, correct?

You can have a max of 27 getting baseball money. You can have a max of 35 on the roster.

Qhead posted:

Assuming 22 players verbally committed is correct, how did the Arkansas coach pare that down by the NLI signing date?  He had to go back to some of those players and say sorry I changed my mind, we can't give you an NLI?  Wouldn't word start to spread about a particular program over-committing, which would discourage future potential recruits from verbally "committing" to them?  Not picking on Ark - just using them as an example.  I don't understand how a program can get away with this without damaging their reputation?

I don't know any particulars about Arkansas, but here's what I observed from over a decade of watching players get recruited to big programs...

1. Most of the problem takes care of itself - players get drafted, don't make grades, get into trouble, change their minds...

2. Sometimes players offers are pulled at the buzzer and sometimes even after signing players are advised to not show up - "You will never see the field here, so you oughta looks somewhere else."  (BTW, this happens across ALL NCAA sports, including football, basketball, and others).

3. There is never a shortage of players willing to commit and sign with programs with higher reputations for doing this.  Everyone assumes it won't be them.  Sometimes it is...  True, it may discourage your son or mine, but the supply of good-enough players is greater than the slots on college teams.  Many nationally ranked programs "over-recruit."  It hasn't hurt them in the big picture.

^^^To add,

There are only  11.7 scholarships for baseball, IF the school is fully funded.

The minimum scholarship:  25%

Therefore......

Maximum on athletic scholarship: 27

Maximum on roster: 35.

So, if you hear of the school giving 30%, 50% 75% scholarships....the total number players on athletic scholarships  MAY NOT BE  27.   Mathematically, it can be a nightmare for the coaches.   Coaches love players that get academic money.  There are many players playing for free, and glad to do so.

 

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In essence, 9 guys per class or 6.8 per class getting money.  When you look at it, you look at who is also being recruited in that class for what positions.  I think it is vital to know where you fit.  When my son was deciding on Tennessee, we looked at school, coaches, competition that will be in program (those in years before him) and those in his class.  There are four other LHP for sure in his recruiting class and 8 others that will be there when he gets there unless they add juco or some leave.  Will you be able to play or is the water to full was a major question.  Some P5 schools showed interest that were too full already with LHP that it would be a battle just to compete for playing time much less starting.  Again, what are you looking for?  You will never fully know until you are there and get a feel for it. 

I say recruiting is like dating.  YOu have to trust the other person.  Once you find the one you like then commit.  Until then.  Keep going out until you find the right one.  Just know that until you say I do (NLI) the other person can break your heart by breaking up with you.  And divorce is always an option for some.  Even if it is not your fault.  The Bible says God hates divorce.  I say because of what it does to the people He loves.  It is the same in recruiting.  When a school lets a player go it hurts everyone or when a player transfers, it hurts everyone.

 

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justbaseball posted:


3. There is never a shortage of players willing to commit and sign with programs with higher reputations for doing this.  Everyone assumes it won't be them.  Sometimes it is...  True, it may discourage your son or mine, but the supply of good-enough players is greater than the slots on college teams.  Many nationally ranked programs "over-recruit."  It hasn't hurt them in the big picture.

THIS!

I never understood the problem with committing early. I completely understand why many are opposed to it, but I don't know why the NCAA and coaches need to combat it. 

Sure, plenty of kids don't end up at the school they committed to, but how much of that has to do with players and parents not doing their research? There is a school that commits 15-19 kids every single year and only have 1 to 3 players drafted from their program each season. If your son is the 15th player to commit to this class, as a parent how do you not step in?  They already offered 14 other players before you. It isn't going to work. 

We know a player who committed to a mid major over the likes of plenty of ACC and Big 12 schools. Why? They already had 12 kids committed and more offers out. Even if he progresses as expected, is the money going to be there, is the roster space going to be there, etc? This is a family that did their research and about 40% the recruiting class at the Big 12 school never set foot on campus. 

I don't have a problem with kids committing early if it makes sense. If you are a stud freshman/soph, you will most likely be a stud junior who is more mature and ready to commit. If you didn't pan out/progress as expected, it was never meant to be in the first place. I think fall of junior year is the time to really start looking into schools and committing if the offer is there. Frosh/Sophs can wait. 

Chico Escuela posted:

One other thought: If I were a D1 coach, I'd hire a couple of film school students for this summer to make an extensive interactive video tour of my athletic facilities, maybe add a couple of interviews with players and coaches.  Then I'd post the finished product to my program's web site.

One program has put together an infographic which is similar to your concept, except no video. 

Chico Escuela posted:
GaryMe posted
I don't have first hand knowledge of this, but a fair number of kids "commit" knowing they are going to be walk-ons without the benefit of a scholarship (and the attactched NLI). I would wager a guess that up to 20% of announced commitments do not include athletic aid, just my guess. If 27 players on the D1 roster are on scholarship (that's the maximum amount and not a mandated number) and rosters are filled at 35 players across the board, then around 22% of those guys on the roster either committed knowing they weren't going to get athletic aid or lost their scholarships along the way and decided "whatever, I just want to play at XXX."

If you are right, then do the walk-ons get any benefit with admissions (or would that vary by school)?  If my "commitment" to Arkansas means the coach will let show up at fall practices and try to make the team, do I have any assurance I will even be admitted?  And if not, then committing in some cases just means "if you get in, then you can come to try outs"?  Admission at state flagship universities isn't a given, even for in-state applicants.  

Sometimes admission is tougher at state schools for in-state kids...schools like those out of state tuition dollars.

GaryMe posted:
Chico Escuela posted:
GaryMe posted
I don't have first hand knowledge of this, but a fair number of kids "commit" knowing they are going to be walk-ons without the benefit of a scholarship (and the attactched NLI). I would wager a guess that up to 20% of announced commitments do not include athletic aid, just my guess. If 27 players on the D1 roster are on scholarship (that's the maximum amount and not a mandated number) and rosters are filled at 35 players across the board, then around 22% of those guys on the roster either committed knowing they weren't going to get athletic aid or lost their scholarships along the way and decided "whatever, I just want to play at XXX."

If you are right, then do the walk-ons get any benefit with admissions (or would that vary by school)?  If my "commitment" to Arkansas means the coach will let show up at fall practices and try to make the team, do I have any assurance I will even be admitted?  And if not, then committing in some cases just means "if you get in, then you can come to try outs"?  Admission at state flagship universities isn't a given, even for in-state applicants.  

Sometimes admission is tougher at state schools for in-state kids...schools like those out of state tuition dollars.

I find that surprising as those schools are generously supported by state funds. I would imagine a lot of angry constituents demanding their state reps to vote down or cut support to these high ed institutes as their precious child is being unfairly slighted.

2019Dad posted:
Qhead posted:

Assuming 22 players verbally committed is correct, how did the Arkansas coach pare that down by the NLI signing date?  He had to go back to some of those players and say sorry I changed my mind, we can't give you an NLI?  Wouldn't word start to spread about a particular program over-committing, which would discourage future potential recruits from verbally "committing" to them?  Not picking on Ark - just using them as an example.  I don't understand how a program can get away with this without damaging their reputation?

http://www.arkansasrazorbacks....al-of-arms-for-2019/

20 signed NLIs. One of those was drafted and signed.

I dont believe that the use of  the word "Signees" is actually how many kids signed NLI, but on kids committing to come to school and have a roster spot in the fall to try and make team.  The article lists 12 pitchers alone in the class.  There are also an existing 17 or so non-senior pitchers on the current roster.  Only 3 seniors total are listed on current roster and there are 17 current freshmen listed.  The numbers just dont work out.  There will have to be a decent amount of turnover from current roster and I think a fairly high percentage of those "signees" are not going to show up to campus in the fall IMHO... Parents should really look at how the numbers breakdown and discuss with your son so that everyone has a real feel for committing early and what the odds of making the team are

FriarFred posted:
2019Dad posted:
Qhead posted:

Assuming 22 players verbally committed is correct, how did the Arkansas coach pare that down by the NLI signing date?  He had to go back to some of those players and say sorry I changed my mind, we can't give you an NLI?  Wouldn't word start to spread about a particular program over-committing, which would discourage future potential recruits from verbally "committing" to them?  Not picking on Ark - just using them as an example.  I don't understand how a program can get away with this without damaging their reputation?

http://www.arkansasrazorbacks....al-of-arms-for-2019/

20 signed NLIs. One of those was drafted and signed.

I dont believe that the use of  the word "Signees" is actually how many kids signed NLI, but on kids committing to come to school and have a roster spot in the fall to try and make team.  The article lists 12 pitchers alone in the class.  There are also an existing 17 or so non-senior pitchers on the current roster.  Only 3 seniors total are listed on current roster and there are 17 current freshmen listed.  The numbers just dont work out.  There will have to be a decent amount of turnover from current roster and I think a fairly high percentage of those "signees" are not going to show up to campus in the fall IMHO... Parents should really look at how the numbers breakdown and discuss with your son so that everyone has a real feel for committing early and what the odds of making the team are

There were also five or six juniors who signed after the draft and several players will transfer out because of a lack of playing time and there will be a handful of injuries and players who will red shirt. The numbers always seem to work out. 

keewart posted:

^^^To add,

There are only  11.7 scholarships for baseball, IF the school is fully funded.

The minimum scholarship:  25%

Therefore......

Maximum on athletic scholarship: 27

Maximum on roster: 35.

So, if you hear of the school giving 30%, 50% 75% scholarships....the total number players on athletic scholarships  MAY NOT BE  27.   Mathematically, it can be a nightmare for the coaches.   Coaches love players that get academic money.  There are many players playing for free, and glad to do so.

 

I agree, coaches like players who qualify for academics, as well as need based grants. 

FYI, coaches use programs so they know at anytime how much they have to spend, who gets what, so it really isn't a nightmare.

FriarFred posted:
2019Dad posted:
Qhead posted:

Assuming 22 players verbally committed is correct, how did the Arkansas coach pare that down by the NLI signing date?  He had to go back to some of those players and say sorry I changed my mind, we can't give you an NLI?  Wouldn't word start to spread about a particular program over-committing, which would discourage future potential recruits from verbally "committing" to them?  Not picking on Ark - just using them as an example.  I don't understand how a program can get away with this without damaging their reputation?

http://www.arkansasrazorbacks....al-of-arms-for-2019/

20 signed NLIs. One of those was drafted and signed.

I dont believe that the use of  the word "Signees" is actually how many kids signed NLI, but on kids committing to come to school and have a roster spot in the fall to try and make team.  The article lists 12 pitchers alone in the class.  There are also an existing 17 or so non-senior pitchers on the current roster.  Only 3 seniors total are listed on current roster and there are 17 current freshmen listed.  The numbers just dont work out.  There will have to be a decent amount of turnover from current roster and I think a fairly high percentage of those "signees" are not going to show up to campus in the fall IMHO... Parents should really look at how the numbers breakdown and discuss with your son so that everyone has a real feel for committing early and what the odds of making the team are

Well, the first sentence of the article says: "The Razorback baseball program and head coach Dave Van Horn announced the signing of 20 student-athletes to National Letters of Intent for the 2019 season this week." I took that to mean that 20 signed NLIs.

MidAtlanticDad posted:
Chico Escuela posted:

One other thought: If I were a D1 coach, I'd hire a couple of film school students for this summer to make an extensive interactive video tour of my athletic facilities, maybe add a couple of interviews with players and coaches.  Then I'd post the finished product to my program's web site.

You mean like this?  

https://youtu.be/uwYzZrBbxyk

OMG!  Can tell I'm a D3 guy.  I was thinking more along the lines of this:

http://athletics.uchicago.edu/...orts/bsb/video/index

Go44dad posted:

Has anybody updated my chart?

Haven't updated it, but encouraged my son to use the same info from PG when he was doing his research.

 

I would encourage any parent to look at those numbers and any other data that they can get.  For my son's recruitment we kept a similar chart and also kept track of the active online rosters at schools where he had interest.  We compared them to the list of PG commits from corresponding years, it was enlightening at times.

 

 

roothog66 posted:

There were also five or six juniors who signed after the draft and several players will transfer out because of a lack of playing time and there will be a handful of injuries and players who will red shirt. The numbers always seem to work out. 

Red shirt players are included in the 35 man roster.  

 

 

TPM posted:
GaryMe posted:

Sometimes admission is tougher at state schools for in-state kids...schools like those out of state tuition dollars.

This is not correct.  Can you show supporting information on your statement?

TPM - This has been a problem and criticism of some of the Virginia schools as state/federal funding has gone down.   Universities turned to research $$, athletics $$, and out of state students $$ for new revenue streams to offset the funding problem.  My understanding is there was legistlation and admission policy changes to accept a prescriptive number (minimum) of in-state students...as they should.   We are paying taxes for that purpose.  This happened at three state schools that I know of William & Mary, UVA and Virginia Tech.  I don't know about other states (I suspect there are more), but it is/was most definitely an issue in Virginia.

fenwaysouth posted:
TPM posted:
GaryMe posted:

Sometimes admission is tougher at state schools for in-state kids...schools like those out of state tuition dollars.

This is not correct.  Can you show supporting information on your statement?

TPM - This has been a problem and criticism of some of the Virginia schools as state/federal funding has gone down.   Universities turned to research $$, athletics $$, and out of state students $$ for new revenue streams to offset the funding problem.  My understanding is there was legistlation and admission policy changes to accept a prescriptive number (minimum) of in-state students...as they should.   We are paying taxes for that purpose.  This happened at three state schools that I know of William & Mary, UVA and Virginia Tech.  I don't know about other states (I suspect there are more), but it is/was most definitely an issue in Virginia.

Sorry I meant for athletes. Here in FL, especially for non revenue sports like baseball, they want in state students.

 

2019Dad posted:
FriarFred posted:
2019Dad posted:
Qhead posted:

Assuming 22 players verbally committed is correct, how did the Arkansas coach pare that down by the NLI signing date?  He had to go back to some of those players and say sorry I changed my mind, we can't give you an NLI?  Wouldn't word start to spread about a particular program over-committing, which would discourage future potential recruits from verbally "committing" to them?  Not picking on Ark - just using them as an example.  I don't understand how a program can get away with this without damaging their reputation?

http://www.arkansasrazorbacks....al-of-arms-for-2019/

20 signed NLIs. One of those was drafted and signed.

I dont believe that the use of  the word "Signees" is actually how many kids signed NLI, but on kids committing to come to school and have a roster spot in the fall to try and make team.  The article lists 12 pitchers alone in the class.  There are also an existing 17 or so non-senior pitchers on the current roster.  Only 3 seniors total are listed on current roster and there are 17 current freshmen listed.  The numbers just dont work out.  There will have to be a decent amount of turnover from current roster and I think a fairly high percentage of those "signees" are not going to show up to campus in the fall IMHO... Parents should really look at how the numbers breakdown and discuss with your son so that everyone has a real feel for committing early and what the odds of making the team are

Well, the first sentence of the article says: "The Razorback baseball program and head coach Dave Van Horn announced the signing of 20 student-athletes to National Letters of Intent for the 2019 season this week." I took that to mean that 20 signed NLIs.

That could be but if 20 actually signed a NLI (see below), that would mean at a minimum he used 5 scholarships out of his 11.7 for the Freshman class (25% scholly minimum x 20 kids) which is possible, just seems unlikely with all the other talent on that team that 43% of available $ would go to one class and that if he had 20 kids on scholarship in Freshman class that only leaves room for 7 more (27 max players on scholly).   Disclosure:  Just a dad trying to figure out how those kind of numbers work when you see these size of signing class and I could be 100% wrong in my interpretation.  Of course, several kids will most likely never step foot on campus and go JUCO.  Again, as GoDad pointed out earlier, this large of a class would seem to be a potential red flag on committing to that particular school. 

 Here is definition from NLI FAQ site:  

 

When I sign an NLI what do I agree to do?

When you sign an NLI, you agree to attend the institution listed on the NLI for one academic year in exchange for that institution awarding athletics financial aid for one academic year.

Here is GA with the HOPE scholarships for in state kids with 3.0 GPAs, they get tuition paid for if they can maintain the GPA and class load. That helps baseball. Clemson had ACM and that helps OOS student athletes. Regarding the 20 NLIs at Arkansas, that feels like what Perno used to do at UGA and ended up cutting kids after the fall. Now with the P5 scholarship being 4 years, not sure that would happen again. Perno won but slowly destroyed the program afterwards. I have no idea how it will impact Arkansas.

Last edited by Shoveit4Ks
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