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From Sunday's Tennessean:
South Carolina Alters Drug Policy

The South Carolina Drug Enforcement Administration dropped its sponsorship of a University of South Carolina golf tournament after the SEC school modified its drug policy for athletes.

Get this. Gamecock athletes will be allowed four positive drug tests before being kicked off a team. The old rule allowed two failed tests.

If Lou Holtz was still South Carolina's football coach, he would get Derek Watson back for another season.
- JOE BIDDLE
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Paraphrase this policy like this:

1."If you don't stop, you're going to get in trouble".
2."No, really, we mean that".
3."Seriously, we really really mean it".
4."Okay, now you've gone too far".

4 strikes till you're out?

At our local little old single A high school, 1 strike and you're out, for whatever sports season you're in, plus the next one. Second strike, high school career ended. Period.
Callaway,
There is a thread about parents being concerned regarding drinking on official visits. I'll bet that there are very few parents who know what the drug policy is at their son's school.
I am sorry if you or anyone else is offended by this, however, I find that if parents are worried about drinking, this should be a bigger concern, regardless of what school it is.
This has nothing to do with their fine baseball program, I did not mention any one program in particular, however I ask you, how can one support any program with this policy? What message is this sending to the athletes?
I am just wondering when it is time to draw the line on tolerance, in our schools, in professional sports.
Can you or anyone else explain why a school goes from 2 infractions to FOUR?
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TPM,

I have no idea why the policy was changed. I suspect that it probably had something to do with the football program and remaining competitive with the other SEC schools, but that is only speculation. On the surface, I don't agree with it either.

What I do have a problem with is your continued attempt to besmirch the reputation of the Gamecocks. I could easily post horrendous news reports about your beloved Clemson (we hear them all down here). I choose not to because ALL schools have athletes that drink, do drugs, get arrested and badly represent themselves and their schools. Clemson is no exception. Clemson does have a fine baseball program and that's what this board is about. This board is NOT about your obvious personal agenda... or the Tennessean's for that matter.

JMO.
TPM:

I learned a long time ago not to make black and white judgements without first walking in the other man's or woman's shoes, and even then it's a dicey proposition. I have no idea why or how USC came up with its policies, but I have seen nuclear power plants benefit from second, third and fourth chances, and the stakes there are far higher than on a baseball field.

USC- East has had its problems, but no worse than Clemson or Auburn or Virginia Tech or the USAir Force Academy, where apparently it is not safe to be a female cadet or not appropiately religious.

It is not the school's policies that will prevent problems, but the character of the players when they arrive and perhaps the teaching ability of a great coach who can from time to time turn a life around.

If my son had an opportunity to play at USC, I'd send him there in a heartbeat, and if he encountered difficulties, he'd look inward instead of at some artificial set of drop dead policies.
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CAllaway,
Again, I apologize if this post offended you, and I don't know where I have ever offended the program at USC. If you feel that I came here for an agenda against USC, not my intention.
Yes, all schools have their problems, Clemson is no exception, knowing first hand, it's how your son or daughter learns to handle themselves with all the temptations. But this is not really about those stories we hear, but an actual change in school policy, which is somewhat different, IMO.
However, I still stand by my reason for posting this article, parents need to be aware of ALL that goes on at any school, not just drinking on official visits.
Everyone please note:

This change occurred as soon as EvilSteve got the football job. He did the same thing at Florida.

He could care less about any player..it's about winning with any player he can use to reach that end. The guy is no darn good.

This has nothing to do with baseball and everything to do with Steve Spurrier!

Wouldn't it be nice if the NCAA concentrated on a uniform drug testing policy rather than thier PC B.S.?
TPM I am sure that your intentions were honorable, but as an OLD girl from Carolina, I can tell you absolutely, what Clemson's policy is and what Clemson actually does is definitely two different things. Maybe USC is just trying to re-align and re-adjust to be consistent.
You must admit, a Tiger tellin on a Gamecock is nothing new under the sun Wink You had to know that was gonna git under Callaway's collar!
Has anyone in South Carolina heard of the idiomatic expression three strikes and you're out. Even in liberal California we have three strikes and you're out for recitivistic criminals.

I heard that millions of people are leaving in drooves from California, guess some of them they ended up at the University of South Carolina.
Do I know the drug policy of my son's school? Absolutly not, because like Jemaz said....the character of the player and integrity of the coaching staff is what is most important in our minds. Likewise, I also don't know the grade policy for staying academically eligible at our son's school either....does it mean we didn't do our homework? I think I asked that question during recruiting, but the answer must not have been all that important to me because it obviously has left my brain. Just like the drug testing issue and how it would or wouldn't effect my son...I know my son's abilities and what I do, and what I do not, need to be concerned with. A school's official policy on drug testing and/or grades, or MOST anything else I can think of, isn't going to make much of a difference to me if my son respects himself, his family, his coach and his team mates.

If drug testing policies are what is important to you....then make sure to do your homework. If minimum grade standards are an issue...make sure to check that policy out. If a certain level of play is important, or a certain conference....go for it. Everyone has different hot-spots that might make or break a different university for them. What is important to some, isn't to others.
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A little more detail: See below


Drug policy adds lesson to punishment

By RON MORRIS

Columnist


IT IS INTERESTING what a little digging beneath the surface often reveals.

On the surface, South Carolina’s recently released four-step drug-testing policy for athletes seems lenient and designed primarily to keep those athletes eligible for competition. A closer look reveals that the policy is geared toward educating athletes about the abuse of drugs, and the policy is perhaps as stringent as any in the country.

Before we get into all the details of USC’s policy, understand that athletes at most NCAA institutions are the only students who are tested for use of recreational drugs such as alcohol, marijuana and cocaine. Of the 24,000 members of USC’s student body, only the 450 or so scholarship athletes are forbidden from partaking in recreational drugs.

Other students do so at the risk of getting caught in possession of such drugs.

Understand also that schools such as USC voluntarily conduct drug testing for their athletes. There are some NCAA schools, mostly private, that do not test. That changes during postseason tournaments when the NCAA conducts drug testing, presumably to ensure level playing fields by preventing the use of performance-enhancing drugs.

The reason athletes are tested for drugs, and band members, cheerleaders and other scholarship students are not, is because those who compete are “held to a higher standard.” At least that is the speculation of USC athletics director Eric Hyman, who helped create USC’s new policy.

That being the case, drug testing for athletes is inherently discriminatory, and therefore any policy is punitive. The problem with USC’s previous policy, according to Hyman, was that it was long on being punitive and short on being educational and beneficial to the athletes.

Previously, USC athletes were dismissed from their respective teams after two failed drug tests. Hyman, and the committee that studied USC’s policy, concluded that a two-strikes-and-you’re-out policy did not mesh with the athletics department goal of educating athletes and preparing them for life after college.

“I look at every student-athlete as somebody’s son or daughter,” Hyman says. “How would I want my own to be treated?”

Hyman’s concern with the policy is that every one of his athletes starts from a different and varied background. For an athlete who was reared in an environment where recreational drugs are a part of life, it did not seem fair to return him or her to that setting without adequate education and counseling about drug use and abuse.

So, USC came up with a new policy. After an initial failed drug test, the athlete now receives a face-to-face warning from Hyman and is instructed to attend educational seminars and counseling for drug awareness.

“I want to be able to explain the consequences of what they’re doing,” Hyman says of his warnings. “I want to try to guide them for their future.”

Also, a certified letter detailing the failed drug test is sent to the athlete’s parent(s), and the athlete is automatically subjected to drug testing every seven to 10 days for a one-year period. Following a second failed drug test, an athlete is suspended for 25 percent of his or her team’s regular-season games. A third failure results in the athlete being suspended for an entire school year, and a fourth failed test earns a dismissal from school.

It is important to know that under the new policy a team’s coach has the discretion to dismiss an athlete following any failed drug test.

Beyond that, USC believes its administration of drug tests is among the most stringent in the country because of its number of tests, its low tolerance level and its ability to head off tampering with urine specimens.

Rod Walters, USC’s assistant athletics director for sports medicine, conducted a study of 20 randomly selected colleges and found that USC’s 1,500 tests in the past calendar year was the second-highest total. One school conducted 149 tests during a school year.

The NCAA screens for marijuana at 50 nanograms and confirms a failed drug test at 15. USC screens for marijuana at 20 and confirms at five. Walters said many schools are lowering their tolerance levels to that of USC.

Finally, USC is one of few schools that uses a refractrometer, which assures that a specimen is of normal volume and has not been diluted, according to Walters. In other words, it is much more difficult to use a masking device to beat a drug test at USC.

“My guess is that, other than the military academies where you get one strike and you are out, this is the most restrictive policy I know of,” Hyman says.

As with any policy, it must undergo the test of time. It could be that five years from now USC realizes the policy is too lenient and will make changes. For now, when examined closely, the policy appears to have the proper balance of being punitive as well as educational.
Ridiculous thread?....you wish!
Nonsense?.......in your dreams!

EvilSteve is the fellow responsible.
The shills (AD Hyman and reporter Morris) have no credibility in my book.

Food for thought...and discussion.
1) More tests, simply stated, mean more failed tests!
2) Fact: A student athlete can fail 4 times instead of 2 before he gets the boot.
3) The 4 strike policy is dead last in the already leniant SEC.
4) Instead of the boot after 2 failed tests....mommy and daddy get a letter...real freakin tough!
Callaway. The Steve Spurrier influence is a fact,check it out.

I have no beef with your ****'s, especially the outstanding baseball program.

When it comes to comparing bias, please spare me the local newspaper B.S., not to mention the AD spin. I'd really like to hear him (or you) respond to my very specific notes for discussion. (food for thought)
To add credibility to your agrument, don't refer to the local paper and especially Ron Morris as preching the company line because that could not be farther from the truth. The columnist you point to as being a homer is well known for bashing the university. In fact, if you were to ask most fans what they think of Ron Morris, their responses would be filled with four letter words.

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