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As anyone with a son playing baseball can attest,  the baseball world can be a fickle place, with a dark sense of humor and karma lurking around every corner.

Who could possibly have suspected that the teenage phenom, who never played more then 120ish games a season due to injuries  - but who hit like Bonds when playing - was juicing?

Who could have suspected that the slow-healing, brittle phenom would have been juicing during recovery - when he was under virtual daily observation by the Padres health care professionals?  (Answer: the owners don't care if a player juices; owners care if the player is caught.)

Padres went out and spent like drunken sailors, mortgaged a decent farm system, while waiting for the last piece of its 1927 Yankees line-up to emerge.

Ain't Karma a treat!

Want some jet fuel to add to the burning dumpster? Read Tatis' explanation with an eye to the contempt he has for fans - his fans.

https://twitter.com/jazayerli/...96YS-Ym9qIw&s=19

San Diego Padres: where careers go to die.

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Just the day before, the boy was telling me how Tatis is the face of the new school, fun loving, swagger type of baseball needed to attract more fans and youth to the game.  smdh.   btw there is NO ringworm treatment that involves an anabolic steroid.  Side note, I've had 2 separate patients in my career tell me that they lost their narcotic pills when they struggled to open their childproof container, while sitting in their car with an open window, and the pills flew out the window.  Unfortunately the light turned green, preventing the recovery of said narcotics, and they had to drive away. Each time, I've asked why they were trying to take their narcotic while operating a motor vehicle.

I am always interested that there is so little talk of PEDs on HSBBW.  It does not seem to be a topic that people want to talk about.  You'd think there would be more topics like "I think my son is using PEDs," or "I think other players on my son's team are using PEDs," or "how can I learn about PED use at prospective colleges?"  But, nada.

I am always interested that there is so little talk of PEDs on HSBBW.  It does not seem to be a topic that people want to talk about.  You'd think there would be more topics like "I think my son is using PEDs," or "I think other players on my son's team are using PEDs," or "how can I learn about PED use at prospective colleges?"  But, nada.

I personally know of a kid who was smaller as a 12 y.o. but a good athlete.  Would have probably been 5ft 7-8.   Dad took him to "specialist" who treated him with HGH age 12-16.  Kid is 5ft 10 and a beast player.  Committed to a very high academic D1. 

I am always interested that there is so little talk of PEDs on HSBBW.  It does not seem to be a topic that people want to talk about.  You'd think there would be more topics like "I think my son is using PEDs," or "I think other players on my son's team are using PEDs," or "how can I learn about PED use at prospective colleges?"  But, nada.

About ten years ago there was a lot of conversation on PEDs. It was in the news more then.

When the Padres acquired Soto to go with Machado and Tatis along with their pitching a friend told me the Padres will dominate the division for years. I told him the Padres would find a way to eff it up. It didn’t take long. Besides, the instructions read, “For spicier taste just add Machado.”

The Dodgers aren’t going to stop spending. Chemistry is important. Any team with Machado won’t have chemistry. The Dodgers - Padres will become the 20th century version of Yankees - Red Sox. The Sox always found a way to eff it up.

Just look at the bottom half of the starting lineup, as well as the depth of the bullpen and the back half of the starting rotation, and even if all the superstars were available and healthy the team even with Soto is very unlikely to get deep in the NL playoffs let alone  have much of a chance in the World Series

And that’s before Tatis’ “Vacation”

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@RJM posted:

When the Padres acquired Soto to go with Machado and Tatis along with their pitching a friend told me the Padres will dominate the division for years. I told him the Padres would find a way to eff it up. It didn’t take long. Besides, the instructions read, “For spicier taste just add Machado.”

The Dodgers aren’t going to stop spending. Chemistry is important. Any team with Machado won’t have chemistry. The Dodgers - Padres will become the 20th century version of Yankees - Red Sox. The Sox always found a way to eff it up.

Respectfully disagree with your characterization of Machado. He's changed quite a bit from Baltimore and his rep in the clubhouse is as the enforcer of norms and rules. Of course, if Tatis is one of his charges then maybe his approach isn't working.

I don't at all disagree with your second conclusion, though. Wish I could, but I can't

I am always interested that there is so little talk of PEDs on HSBBW.  It does not seem to be a topic that people want to talk about.  You'd think there would be more topics like "I think my son is using PEDs," or "I think other players on my son's team are using PEDs," or "how can I learn about PED use at prospective colleges?"  But, nada.

I think we hear of less because there is less use. Although there was one D1 pitcher who was suspended for 4 games for foreign substance on his mitt, I don't know of anyone who was suspended this year due to positive testing.

NCAA provides a list of banned substances, with medical exceptions, and players usually will contact trainer for info on sports supplements and meds. MLB and its affiliates do the same thing.

NCAA randomly tests players during post season. You come out of the dugout and handed a cup. Not sure if this is for all divisions but should be during end of year competition.

Tatis is a jerk and a 23yo immature kid. Breaks his wrist driving his 🏍 and misses part of the season. Instead of making excuses just apologize. Why did you even go there Fernando?

This week they had Soto hooked up while he was playing. They asked him questions about his salary, etc and why he turned down a 440m contract with the Nats. His answers and why he was pursued by teams shows how mature he was for his 23 years.

Night and Day.

I think we hear of less because there is less use. Although there was one D1 pitcher who was suspended for 4 games for foreign substance on his mitt, I don't know of anyone who was suspended this year due to positive testing.

We did have an infielder last year suspended due to PED.  He was randomly tested per NCAA and claimed that what he was using was perfectly legal.  He did try to fight it but lost.  This was also a kid who got in a fight at a bar and the HC suspended him for that as well.  He finally hit 3 strikes..and he was OUT!  (No pun intended) 

P.S. This kid never stepped foot on the college baseball field.  He apparently transferred somewhere else, but good luck to that team!

@TPM posted:

Are you saying this is cheating or just an example of HGH?

Hmm. Personally I think its one thing if the boy is going to be 5ft 2 and uses HGH to be a more societally accepted height.  A whole another thing if the dad is doing it simply for sports performance gains.  There are potential adverse long term effects to HGH like brittle bones and heart disease.  Also some association w leukemia. So I don't know how to classify it except "misguided" or "weird priorities"?

WRT his past performance, I will be one who waits to see what he does when he comes back.  To be sure, he will be tested more and we will get a sense of his production then.  People, like myself, have become more cynical as time passes but I would like to think that he was clean when he was center stage for the game. 

I actually like what the padres did here. The dodgers are always going to be a force and the giants could get there too, both teams have tons of money and a very smart farm system.

Sure preller is "mortgaging the future" but why not, if they play it safe and "keep the pipeline going" they will eternally be playing for 3rd place, it will never get any easier.

The dodgers are still favored to win but the goal should be to play for second place the next 2 to 3 years and maybe get lucky one year and make a deep run which is more than they did any time in the last 15 years.

They probably will be bad after that again but then they can tank again and maybe have another great farm system 3 years after that.

The padres aren't a flawlessly run org but they are doing more than many other teams in similar sized markets.

I also think it is greater for the fans to have a team of stars than to have that revolving door like tampa or oakland who do the bring up prospects, keep them 3-4 years and then trade them for prospects thing. Sure they are having sustained success in many years but that approach also creates zero identification with fans even though dollar per WAR says they are right.

I'm not saying the trouble to draw fans of tampa and Oakland despite a lot of relative successes is all related to that as lot of that is the ballpark situation but really fans want identification figures. Boston had big papi all those years for example and NY had jeter and generations of kids wore their jersey.

I think the strict dollar per war approach of teams like tampa is losing that, sure their trades make sense from a value perspective when you trade one 5 war player for 4 who add up to 5.5 war and cost less but for the fans that is not great, for them 4 1.5 war guys is not the same as 1 6 war guy

San Diego continuing to demonstrate to the baseball world the virtues of a purely analytical statistics based approach to creating a baseball team. And, while Preller and Melvin will move on - I assume the day the season ends - the fans have, once again, been reminded of the San Diego motto: Careers come here to die.

Also, good luck on that $40 million a year contract, Mr. Soto.

Soto, Drury, Bell: 15 for their last 92.  Hader (the new closer) 40.50 ERA, 7.50 WHIPS over the past week.

Chemistry? Pads don't need no stinkin' chemistry, they have statistics and anlaysis!

@TPM posted:

I have a very good friend who is, now was, a die hard Nats fan. He said giving up Soto was the last straw, no more purchase of season tickets.

Lot of unhappy folks out there.

The last straw? They're two years removed from a World Series. Fans are pretty wild sometimes

I can understand frustration but they just got a pretty big return for a player producing career lows in every category.

After seeing the way big contracts have gone in recent memory I think we might be seeing the death of the mega deal and see more GMs following the Braves/Whitesox method.

Manny Machado is easily (in my opinion) the most underrated Baseball player in my lifetime.

Certainly the most underrated leader. I shake my head at people who consider him the epitome of the selfish modern player. Tells me more about them than Machado.

I mean, he took the time to learn simple Korean phrases (including 'I love you') so he can shout them to Kim when he's on-deck or in the box.

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@JCG posted:

Kinda hard to say a guy with a $300 Million contact is underrated.  Under appreciated maybe?  Padres fans sure appreciated the way he played last night.

I think he’s the best 3B of All Time… especially if you go with the theory that today’s athletes are more advanced than ever and face the best pitching ever… Manny gives you 154 games a year, 30+ HR’s, hits .280, incredible defense, insanely great leadership… if Manny was time machined into Mike Schmidt’s era he’d hit 50+ bombs a year and play Shortstop…I grew up in Baltimore, sat in the third base box seats and watched Brooks Robinson.  Manny is better on defense than Brooks was…

Most people would scoff at the thought of Manny as the best 3B ever.  Thus my point: I think he’s the most underrated player in my lifetime

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