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Kind of wanting to vent, and kind of wanting to ask for advice.  Our son was offered a great scholarship 90% at a D2 (combination of academic money and baseball money).  He broke his leg at a tournament three weeks ago and immediatly after called coaches.  The  coach told him that the injury changed nothing and they still wanted him.  Tonight he called the coach and was told that they gave the scholarship offer to a player from a JUCO and there is not any money left.  He also said now they don't need anybody in his position any longer.  When our son was offered and until the injury the coach told him that he was the only player offered in his class in his position and he would play the first year.  When our son was first injured, all coaches (three offers, two D2's and one top 10 D3 program said they still wanted him.  One coach greatly reduced his offer (by $5,000), one coach pulled his offer and he has not heard from the coach of the D3 since he left the hospital except to, wait for it... invite him to a camp.  He is devestated!  We are looking for advice.

 

JUCO is not a good option, our son currently has a 3.9 GPA, 28 ACT and will graduate with a full semester of college credit completed through duel enrollment.  We really like the D3 if it is still on the table, but he probably would not play there for a couple of years, the roster is huge, and the cost of the school is staggering.  Our best guess on the cost of attending the D3 is around 20,000 a year (and they will not provide solid numbers until March).

 

We would appreciate any advice.

 

 

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2014 - I feel your pain!  Geez that really stinks like crazy.

 

Unfortunately, your story is not the first one I've heard like this.  Seems to me like you've got a tremendous opportunity to do some parenting your son will never forget.

 

Empathy for him?  Darn right.  But you are about to teach him a little about the real world and how to get over life's speed bumps.

 

Rise to the challenge.  Go to work as a team.  Your son is very likely looking up to you for some big-time role modeling!

First things first. I feel your pain. Ok enough of that. As your son is rehabbing his senior year coming up can you go ahead and bite the JUCO bullet, preferably close to a school that has interest in your son. I know of a kid who was hurt after freshman year where he got a lot of PT in summer playing in a league and lost his SEC ride. He is attending a CC this year and getting it together. He has already signed with an up & coming D1 closer to home. Another possibility is your son could enroll at a school where the academic $ is good and walk on. I can't imagine him not getting a decent look especially if the coach knows in advance about the plan.

I wish you and your son the best,

R

2014Prospect,

 

Sorry to learn of your son's condition.  I hope he bounces back quickly.  On the positive side, your son may have dodged a 4-year bullet with this coach and his shenanigans.  I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want my son to play for someone that goes back on their word like that.  I know it happens, but it isn't right.

 

If your son (and you) really liked the D3, try to call them again.   ED deadline is Nov 1 (tomorrow).  If it is an acadcemically select school where the coach needs to boost his application then you may be out of luck unless your Common App is complete, and the Coach calls today.   Otherwise, he'll have to go the RD route to this school or others like it.  Due to his condition, he'll most likely get looks based on academics and previous baseball reputation.  I'd be calling all previously interested schools (at all levels) to see if their situation changed.

 

I have a 3 hour drive coming up.  I'll give this some more thought.  Good luck.

 

To piggy back on Fenwaysouth's advice, while many ED deadlines are tomorrow many are being extended to Nov 8 due to the problems with the Common App this year. Not sure if that helps at all. 

 

Also, some top tier D3 programs have an ED 2 round so it might not be too late if your son has the talent in a spot they need.  (I know Tufts has sometimes filled spots in ED round 2 for example 

 

BUT (big but) the costs are obviously VERY high at that level D3, and there is no academic money.

 

I agree, I would not want my son in the hands of a coach who is willing to play that kind of a nasty trick on a recruit.

 

 

Your son has solid academic numbers and apparently has the talent to command a high offer.  You don't say how severe his injury is, but I would normally expect an eventual full recovery from a broken leg, and you don't give any indication otherwise.

 

So, he's now back in the market.  Have his travel coach talk him up to schools of interest and see what develops.  Be patient; it may be that the November period will have to pass, after which some schools will see who they got and who they didn't and what they still need.

 

Some day, I hope your son gets to play against that first school and help shellack them.

Very few of the schools asked son to ED but all asked him to Early action. I think there are actually many advantages to EA. Different schools have different dates, so you may need to look up the schools you are interested in.

Have you considered contacting another school in the same conference as the D3? Many schools in a conference recruit form the same pool of players.

I am sorry to hear of your son's injury that you posted about a few weeks back.

According to my understanding your son had three offers on the table but had not committed as yet, correct?

I am kind of curious why he had not committed.  Was he told that he could wait?

 

I am not really sure why a broken leg would cause a coach to pull an offer, your son wouldn't be showing up to play for over a year.  However, without a commitment on your sons part, it obviously changed things for all three coaches.

 

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As I thought, not committing probably had a lot to do with it.

 

While I understand this really stinks, IMO it is unfair to lay blame on the coaches and now your son understands how important it would have been to accept even when given a time frame. Understand that in most cases the recruit does not have time on his side when making a decision unless he is a top prospect.

 

However, I am a very big believer that things happen for a reason.

 

This might be a good time to regroup thoughts and just sit tight, or perhaps redirect the search, perhaps closer to home if this is important to him.

 

Also do not rule out a JUCO opportunity.

 

What ever you do, do not let your son settle at this time just because others are, there are opportunities that will open up in the spring.

 

He sounds like a good student, his focus should also be on degree offered and all that goes into that part of the process.

 

Keep us posted.

I agree with TPM "all things happen for a reason". Not sure I would be thrilled to play for a coach that didn't show the love and switch gears so quickly. 

If your son has the talent, which it sounds as through he does, he will find a good fit. It stinks, but injuries are a part of the game. Have him focus on the things he can control and work hard to get back strong & healthy.

What can I say.

 

At least don't beat yourself up for not orally accepting an oral offer before the oral time deadline that was given to you. Oral offers and commitments aren't worth the paper they're printed on.

 

I've even seen a signed NLI reneged on by a school. How? By just telling the player that he wouldn't be welcomed at practices. Player could have insisted on performance of the NLI money terms....but with a year out of baseball and maybe a year off to transfer, that would have been his career.

 

Rough patch you and your son are going thru right now. Try not to magnify it with feelings of guilt. You guys did nothing wrong. That's what I think.

I hope it works out for your son, 2014 -- and I believe it will.

 

Your post triggered a discussion that's helpful to others behind you -- about waiting to accept.  While I understand Green Light's point, my gut tells me TPM is onto something.

 

An analogy:

 

Boy proposes to girl, says "You don't have to let me know for two weeks."

Girl doesn't accept immediately; wants to use those two weeks to decide.

Girl thinks about it.

Boy meets new girl.

SOMETHING bad happens to girl (pick it; this is the hard part: car accident ...she goes bald ... whatever. Point is, she's not as attractive to boy.)

Girl is ready to say yes.

Boy ... not so much.

 

That just makes sense to me.

 

This is an example that even college baseball is a business.  Coaches have to do they think is best for the team, an their job.  I said it before and I will say it again, schools are always looking for up grades, an keeping their options open.  Apparently these schools didn't want to risk their money on the injury getting back to 100%. 

 

Someone said how can coach treat a player like this or you want to play for that coach anyway, well coaches really don't know the player until they are in their system, an the player doesn't know them, they don't want to go into a season with the unknown question. 

 

Send him to JUCO, he will get the playing time an also get the looks for the schools he wants to be at in year three. An  with the JUCO experience he will be far ahead of his peers as well.  JUCO is not a bad word, use it as a stepping stone to were you want to be. 

My son's best friend's dad is a D1 head coach but not baseball. When my son was 8 and my son said he wanted to play college baseball. He looked at me and said "college sports is a business. It is not about education and it is not about the sport. Don't ever forget that. "
Fast forward to this summer and we started the recruiting process. He calls me and my son and reminds us that "you guys have to treat this as a business because every school and coach will treat it that way."
Best advice we received.
Originally Posted by 2014Prospect:
 
I must say I disagree with your conclusions on so many levels. I am sorry your son was injured; I am not sure, though, this is even the issue. He had an offer, but chose not to provide an answer in any kind of timely way because you all are looking for the "perfect" fit. While your son continues to search, other players are left hanging, as well as the coach and the school. At some point it is time to move on. From what I have read, the injury simply prompted to coach to take action that probably was coming anyway, considering the lack of an answer from your son. If I am the coach, that would tell me your son had reservations about my school and program. As soon as that enters into my thinking, I am going to move on to the next player. I want guys who want to be in my program.
 
Getting back to the issue of a "perfect" fit. I just don't think it exists. You have to make it exist. College baseball, like life, hardly ever turns out as expected. It is up to each player to own it and to make it as "perfect" as possible, making the required adjustments along the way.
 
I see no lack of character in this coach or any misrepresentation on his part. What I see instead is a risk that your son took that simply did not work out as he had hoped.

I hope that I am not saying to much here, but this may help some other families in the future.  One of our top criteria in choosing a school was a coach with character.  Our son was targeting Christian Schools and high academic schools.  His dream school would be a high academic Christian D1 school in our region that is affordable.  He did not find the perfect fit.  We were looking at having to compromise somewhere.  We prioritized a coach with character over academics, region and division.  In our opinion this coach pulled the scholarship because our son is injured.  If this coach had not been interested in our son he would not have offered 90% nor would he have continued to interact with our son over the last three months. Our son had asked for additional time to respond because it was not a perfect fit and the coach offered the timeline for an answer.  When the origional offer was made the coach wanted an answer right away. I do think that our son should have made a quicker decision one way or another. The communication with the coach stopped after my son's call from the hospital.  My son was 100% honest with the coach about what was going on.  The coach misrepresented his position.  I am telling the board this because we have learned that we cannot assume that we are dealing with a coach with character based on the stated mission of the school; I agree that it is a business, and no matter what school it is we cannot expect the coach to demonstrate the level of honesty and integrity that he would want for his own son sadly.  I am not saying that there are not coaches with loads of integrity; I am saying that it isn't safe to assume the coach has integrity based on the school where he is employed.

 

I agree with everything that is posted by jemaz.   I do not feel it unfair to lay blame on the coach and say that he lacks integrity.  JMO

I guess that we all see things differently, but I wish that people would understand this is a business and that is how both sides should view the situation.

Injuries are devastating, no one knows that better than I do.  My son had 3 operations, maybe the third one he was pushed into, and he lost his job because he had trouble competing.

But the reality is that for every door that closes another one opens. You need to put aside your ill feelings and move forward and help your son to understand that he needs to either not commit or keep searching until he finds for him that which would be the perfect fit.

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