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Originally Posted by Everyday Dad:

Sorry Fenway think the Seahawks have that sense of invincibility with their escape win against GB.

For the record, no rooting interest for either being a Chicago Raiders fan. LOL!

I will however, be rooting convienently for my square numbers to hit

If you go through the history of Super Bowls, more are routs than close games. The "point spread" rarely comes into play--pick the winner, you win. So you ask yourself, which team is more likely to win by a huge margin over the team? In this case that answer is the Patriots.

I've been a Pats fan my whole life even when they sucked...and they sucked bad when I was a kid.  Not so much in recent history.  In my lifetime, I never thought the Pats would win a Super Bowl before the Red Sox won a World Series.  The real betting action will be on how many Woodford Reserve bourbons I drink on Sunday during the game.  I'm going to be on edge the whole game after watching what the Seahawks did to Green Bay.  I'll take the Pats by a whisker.

 

but.....

 

I'm a huge Russell Wilson fan.  He is from my hometown, and I've been following his college and Pro career.  Great kid and role model.   I want the Pats to win, but Russell Wilson to have an unbelievable game.  Pats 21-20.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by fenwaysouth:

I've been a Pats fan my whole life even when they sucked...and they sucked bad when I was a kid.  Not so much in recent history.  In my lifetime, I never thought the Pats would win a Super Bowl before the Red Sox won a World Series.  The real betting action will be on how many Woodford Reserve bourbons I drink on Sunday during the game.  I'm going to be on edge the whole game after watching what the Seahawks did to Green Bay.  I'll take the Pats by a whisker.

 

but.....

 

I'm a huge Russell Wilson fan.  He is from my hometown, and I've been following his college and Pro career.  Great kid and role model.   I want the Pats to win, but Russell Wilson to have an unbelievable game.  Pats 21-20.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh the Good old days when the Pats had this guy on their helmet.

Pats guy

When I was a kid the Patriots did worse than suck. They were a joke. We used to sneak into games at Harvard and BC. It was easy. The Patriots probably told security to let us sneak in so there would be fans in the seats. I was at the snowball game against the Vikings at Harvard. My biggest memory as a kid was a pregnant lady beating the piss out of a (guessing) twelve year old over a ball on an extra point. This was before end zone nets. My two biggest football memories were Carl Garrett running for 41 yards on 3rd and 38 and Plunkett to Vataha for 88 yards and a TD to beat the Baltimore Colts. Schaeffer Stadium was a joke. It was the world's biggest high school stadium. It was 60,000 bleacher seats.

 

Now as for the game Sunday. This is a very evenly matched game. I wouldn't bet any more than I was willing to accept losing. The game could very well be decided by a field goal. Worst case, one team will be ahead by ten points late in the game and maybe get another closing touchdown after one team goes for it in their own territory.

 

For the Patriots, their offensive line has to hold up. Stork's health could be a key to this game. For the Seahawks they have to be careful they don't get beat to death on short slants. I expect Brady to get hit more than often but get the passes off. It will be interesting to see how the Patriots rush Wilson. Where he excels is when he creates more time than usual with his legs.

 

Patriots deflate the Seahawks 27-24. If I was a Seahawks fan I would probably see it the other way.

Originally Posted by RJM:

....... My two biggest football memories were Carl Garrett running for 41 yards on 3rd and 38 and Plunkett to Vataha for 88 yards and a TD to beat the Baltimore Colts. Schaeffer Stadium was a joke. It was the world's biggest high school stadium. It was 60,000 bleacher seats.

 

Ah yes RJM....that was the Patriots "golden age of suck".  

 

My greatest childhood Pats memory was turning the corner at a Stop and Shop grocery store to literally run into John Hannah. He was freaking huge. Of course he seemed bigger to me as a 10 year, but was the size of a Volkswagen.  Conversely, I remember the crowd going crazy at games when "Mini" Mack Herron would return punts or kickoffs because that was about all the Patriots had to cheer about in those days and the only way they were going to score.  He was tiny and quick as a flea.

When Herron was on the Patriots they were starting to get good in the 70s. Chuck Fairbanks had taken over as Coach/GM. In addition to Herron they had Sam (Bam) Cunningham, Andy Johnson and Don Calhoun. The Tuck call with Brady versus the Raiders was karma for the phantom roughing the passer call on Ray Hamilton against Kenny Stabler in 1976.

 

ESPN: Worst calls in sports history - dishonorable mention

 

With the Patriots up by three points in final two minutes, referee Ben Dreith calls roughing the passer on New England's Sugar Bear Hamilton after he hits Oakland QB Ken Stabler in 1976 NFL playoffs. Raiders go on to score a touchdown in the final minute to win 21-17, and go on to win the Super Bowl.

 

 

..........just run the ball.  You have the best running back in the game and you have the best running quarterback in the game.  Just run the ball. 

 

One timeout with that much time you can get three plays.  Run a play, call timeout and in the timeout call two plays.  Spread the field to get people out of the box and then run the zone read.  This gives you two options to run the ball one each play.

 

If for whatever reason that you think passing the ball makes sense and you want to run a pick play then have the slot and wide out cross with the slot running a corner route.  Yes it takes more time but you either get the TD or overthrow it so it falls incomplete.  Throwing over the middle creates too many problems - jumped route (like what happened) or deflected ball gets intercepted because that's where all the defense is playing.

 

RJM - did you have inside information?  10 point differential?  27-24 final - that's a prediction worthy of perhaps buying some lottery tickets this week - heck you never know!

 

Absolutely shocked that Seahawks didn't run Lynch... As a Pats fan I certainly felt - oh here we go again with that catch on the sideline... But Seattle mismanaged the final 2 minutes. Forced to take a timeout with just under 2 minutes when they couldn't change to a different play once Wilson saw the D... That's a timeout they probably could have used with a 2nd and goal from the 1. The reason for the pass on that play - they were using it as an extra timeout *if* the ball wasn't caught, then they go to Lynch on 3rd and 4th, but you have to *get there* first. As the Seahawks got the ball with 2 minutes left I said to those around me - this reminds me of Titans/Rams SB XXXIV where the receiver was literally 1 yard short of the goal line, stretching his arm out trying to reach it as time expire.  I said either the Seahawks were going to come up short by 1 yard or score from 1 yard out with Lynch.

 

It's like a baseball coach of a #1 seed not throwing his #1 in the first round of the playoffs...  Gotta go with your best option sometimes.

Pete Carroll - he annoys me for a lot of reasons.  His job should be thinking for his team the whole time what he is going to be doing in the final minutes to win the game.  Yet, as best I can tell, the guy spent the whole game mugging for the cameras (as he always seems to do).  Can't even let his quarterback run onto field each series - he has to get five yards out ahead of him to "consult" for all the world to see.  It seems so obvious - run the ball.  Had to be "cute" and they got burned.  Hubris will do that to you.  His explanation after the game was ludicrous.  Said they were trying to waste a play???? 

Originally Posted by fenwaysouth:

I guarantee you that if Belichick had Marshawn Lynch in his backfield he would have run the ball.  No doubt in mind whatsoever.  Seattle screwed the pooch.

Agree.  I don't get calling a pass play.  Even if NE is stacked to stop the run.  Go manno to manno and give the ball to Lynch or at least run the read option or use Lynch as a fake up the middle and let Wilson roll out to pass or run for the score.   If Lynch or Wilson doesn't make it, you burn the timeout and still have two chances to win.  That slant play was just too risky.

Not a fan of either team, but overall it was a good game.  Didn't really care who won.

 

CD - Carroll has always mugged for the camera - even when he coached college.

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