Personally, I don’t care what age my kid competes against. But I do think it would be dumb to allow a 20 year old to go back to high school just so he can get another year of high school baseball. 

Dan1122 posted:

Why not they did it for college level players. My son is a high school senior and he will have to compete for playing time at his college with a guy who graduated in 2015. So why not allow it at high school level. 

for me personally, the argument isn't about competing. It's really more of the social and life situation. I just think it is silly to let some kids come back to high school just to play another year of a sport. 

I don't really have a firm opinion on how the NCAA should handle it because my son is still 3 years away. However, I would think it would make sense for most college seniors to just move on and start their careers. If they are a legit draft prospect, then maybe they should return. Again, I don't follow the ins and outs of how the NCAA is handling it. 

If you aren’t reevaluating your situation based on the new circumstances you are asleep at the wheel.  If you are bound by a NLI you may not have any options. A HS senior going back for another year of HS baseball is ridiculous IMO. A post grad year would make much more sense. That route allows for collecting college credit hours and for development of baseball skills. Neither of which will be gained by another year of HS. The big question (and what will impact most rosters) are how many college seniors will actually want to come back AND how many will be welcomed back. I imagine this is going to vary program to program. But if you are planning on any kind of walk on situation you better understand that the odds have changed considerably - and not in your favor. The same would apply if you only have an academic scholarship. What all of this means for a 2020 HS senior who hasn’t signed a NLI is that Junior College is probably your best baseball option. In all likelihood it already was but adding the potential of a 5th recruiting class at every 4 year school has emphasized the point. 

Great post adbono. If that extra year is going to make that much of a difference, go to IMG. You'll be around much better players than your typical high school, and you'll be getting great instruction for that year. 

Yes, if your kid isn't ready and needs that extra year to up his/her game, go to IMG or other post grad programs. (That's the only one I've heard of). If you don't and aren't worried about the small number of seniors coming back than move on.  How many seniors across the board are 1) eligible 2) aren't drafting 3) offered 4) will get a spot and  be able to afford that extra year 5) able to get into and pay for graduate school.... This isn't football. These aren't full rides. There are a lot of moving parts to this and I think we all have way too much free time to noodle on this and worry about the unknown right now.

I think people are making it a bigger issue than it will end up being to most programs. Sure, Maybe other programs have more or too many seniors in their classes, but the rest just don't. If your "corona" recruiting class is 3-5, yeah it just got different/harder but not that much. You didn't/couldn't draft for a reason....

I do hope they push the draft back to July to allow them a chance to get back in shape/showcase/combine and make decisions before affecting the academic year and programs in August.

Again, creating a big issue from a very very small sample set for a much LARGER population and programs for years to come.

Life happens and sometimes it gets in the way. But it still happens. 

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TerribleBPthrower posted:

Great post adbono. If that extra year is going to make that much of a difference, go to IMG. You'll be around much better players than your typical high school, and you'll be getting great instruction for that year. 

It’s not on the scale, status or price tag of IMG, but TCS Post Grad in North Texas does a good job and has produced results for a lot of kids. I’m sure there are similar post grad programs in other states as well. 

SoFloRHP posted:

 

Trying to read the tea leaves of what everyone is likely going to do & the long term affects can get mind-boggling. 

What's actually mind boggling, is that at this time, anyone would ask such a question, considering no one has a clue about anything  here in FL much less about HS sports eligibility at this point in time.

JMO

 

IMG is like $70k/year.  There are a ton of post grad programs that are way less expensive.  Most play a fall and spring schedule against JUCOs and have training etc.  If the NCAA extends additional eligibility to more than just current seniors, rosters are going to be jammed up.  I could see current 2021s and 2022s reclassifying with PG etc and just planning on going Post Grad after HS.

langra posted:

IMG is like $70k/year.  There are a ton of post grad programs that are way less expensive.  Most play a fall and spring schedule against JUCOs and have training etc.  If the NCAA extends additional eligibility to more than just current seniors, rosters are going to be jammed up.  I could see current 2021s and 2022s reclassifying with PG etc and just planning on going Post Grad after HS.

The sub varsity kids are paying full boat. Don't buy for a second that their first round draft picks or national championship football team has kids paying 70k to go there. 

IMG is what it is. But for every world class athlete they get, there are 5 more who aren't. The average players subsidize it for the elite talent. Same model for the elite travel programs. 

collegebaseballrecruitingguide posted:

once you start playing high school varsity age baseball, age needs to be the last thing you think about because it likely is the last thing the coach is thinking about. If you are the young kid, you better show up ready to rake and battle for time. If you are the older guy, you better have that rear view mirror properly adjusted to see who is coming for your spot!

This gets lost on this board a lot. Once you make a varsity team age no longer matters. In 2019's case, he was playing varsity as a freshmen. The first strikeout he recorded in HS was against a 19 year old senior committed to a P5 program. The first homerun he gave up was against a random 15 year old sophomore batting 8th for the worst team in our conference. After playing varsity as a freshman you know what would've done him absolutely no good, going back and playing 14u baseball that summer against some guys who were still in 8th grade. So he played 17u and learned how to pitch and hit the hard way. 

One of the kids he rooms with is very young for their grade, moved into his dorm at 17. There are 2 24 year olds on the roster. Kids literally 7 years older than him. It doesn't matter because that is the competition. 

Whenever I see a post about a "young 15" or concerns about a 19 year old player I roll my eyes. 

Anybody willing to do another year of HS to play one more season is foolish in my opinion and the parents are even worse for allowing it to happen. Now if there are scholarship issues and a kid needs to take a PG year or head to a juco then that's a different story. But high schoolers with no offers looking to reclass because there is "less" 2021/2022 money is insane. College is what you do, baseball is what you do to make it cheaper/allow you to go somewhere you may not have been able to. Unless your kids is a potential pro (some on here are) there really isn't a business plan to follow

PABaseball posted:

 

College is what you do, baseball is what you do to make it cheaper/allow you to go somewhere you may not have been able to. Unless your kids is a potential pro (some on here are) there really isn't a business plan to follow

^^^^This.

TerribleBPthrower posted:
Dan1122 posted:

Why not they did it for college level players. My son is a high school senior and he will have to compete for playing time at his college with a guy who graduated in 2015. So why not allow it at high school level. 

for me personally, the argument isn't about competing. It's really more of the social and life situation. I just think it is silly to let some kids come back to high school just to play another year of a sport. 

I don't really have a firm opinion on how the NCAA should handle it because my son is still 3 years away. However, I would think it would make sense for most college seniors to just move on and start their careers. If they are a legit draft prospect, then maybe they should return. Again, I don't follow the ins and outs of how the NCAA is handling it. 

For some kids an additional year of eligibility is a back door into grad school. But it should only be used because the player wants the grad degree, not just to stay and play.

My son missed freshman year due to injury. He graduated on time. He used remaining eligibility to gain admittance to a top twenty-five MBA program (same school). It was his plan from the day he knew he wouldn’t be playing freshman year. 

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RJM, to me, that makes total sense. I think the best way to summarize my thoughts, if there is an academic reason to stay another year, then go for it. 

Whenever I see a post about a "young 15" or concerns about a 19 year old player I roll my eyes. 

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High school is 19u. College is 23u. Either you’re ready or your not. My son has a May birthday. I never thought he was playing up in travel while playing with his grade Or up two years when he went to 17u. From an eligibility date deadline he was. Once he grew from 5’4” to 5’11” from 8th grade to freshman year there was no longer anything different to see on the field between him and other players. 

Worrying about when your kid’s birthday falls is just an excuse. If it matters that much people should have planned their kids to be born in the fall.

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PABaseball posted:
langra posted:

IMG is like $70k/year.  There are a ton of post grad programs that are way less expensive.  Most play a fall and spring schedule against JUCOs and have training etc.  If the NCAA extends additional eligibility to more than just current seniors, rosters are going to be jammed up.  I could see current 2021s and 2022s reclassifying with PG etc and just planning on going Post Grad after HS.

The sub varsity kids are paying full boat. Don't buy for a second that their first round draft picks or national championship football team has kids paying 70k to go there. 

IMG is what it is. But for every world class athlete they get, there are 5 more who aren't. The average players subsidize it for the elite talent. Same model for the elite travel programs. 

Right.  I'm assuming that players who are considering post grad as a solution to the problems caused both by losing a recruiting cycle and crowded NCAA rosters aren't 1st round draft picks.  It doesn't make sense for the kinds of players we are talking about to spend $70k with IMG.

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