Showcase numbers to shoot for?

TXdad2019 posted:

adbono posted:

TXdad2019 posted:

adbono posted:

TXdad2019 posted:

I live in a high baseball rich area in Texas. There are dozens of senior kids that scored high numbers on PG that doesn't have offers. Kids need to be on the phone calling, sending video, going to the school camp that they're interested in. If you pick different ideas from this website, forum it will help tremendously. Continue trying to reach out. I personally believe it's extremely hard to be recruited if you don't take the initiative. It's a grind for kids not in the top tier for sure.

I also live in an area of Texas with a ton of baseball talent.  There are dozens of 2019s that have high PG scores that don't have offers because high PG scores don't get a kid recruited.  You are making my case for me!  You are right that its a grind for kids not in the top tier and that they need to take the initiative to get noticed. 

Dude, that was my point, was the high PG doesn't mean you're gonna be recruited. Settle down

Ive said for now the third time, numbers help you evaluate the level you need to look at. Once on campus for a workout or if they look at video, they want to see some numbers. I've explained this above I thought. This is my experience, but you seem to think everyone else is wrong. Strange how that works.

Wow! Okay man, whatever you say. You obviously know much more about this than I do. 

I didn't say that's the only thing they look at. I'll leave this subject alone because I see where it's heading. 

One question before I leave. It's hypothetical, but if you seen a HS kid pumping 96 on video or PBR, PG, what would you think?

I guess I would have to ask you what I should think - hypothetically 

adbono posted:

TXdad2019 posted:

adbono posted:

TXdad2019 posted:

adbono posted:

TXdad2019 posted:

I live in a high baseball rich area in Texas. There are dozens of senior kids that scored high numbers on PG that doesn't have offers. Kids need to be on the phone calling, sending video, going to the school camp that they're interested in. If you pick different ideas from this website, forum it will help tremendously. Continue trying to reach out. I personally believe it's extremely hard to be recruited if you don't take the initiative. It's a grind for kids not in the top tier for sure.

I also live in an area of Texas with a ton of baseball talent.  There are dozens of 2019s that have high PG scores that don't have offers because high PG scores don't get a kid recruited.  You are making my case for me!  You are right that its a grind for kids not in the top tier and that they need to take the initiative to get noticed. 

Dude, that was my point, was the high PG doesn't mean you're gonna be recruited. Settle down

Ive said for now the third time, numbers help you evaluate the level you need to look at. Once on campus for a workout or if they look at video, they want to see some numbers. I've explained this above I thought. This is my experience, but you seem to think everyone else is wrong. Strange how that works.

Wow! Okay man, whatever you say. You obviously know much more about this than I do. 

I didn't say that's the only thing they look at. I'll leave this subject alone because I see where it's heading. 

One question before I leave. It's hypothetical, but if you seen a HS kid pumping 96 on video or PBR, PG, what would you think?

I guess I would have to ask you what I should think - hypothetically 

Lol, you damn right . Then I would tell you, " But, can he play?"

My Johnny attended PG Showcase (2 years), WWBA (2 years, different teams); He was not on the ”radar” for invite only showcase events. 

PG graded him 8.5 (best).

After attending a travel team showcase in the State he wanted to play in and seen by recruiters from top SEC and ACC schools, his grade moved to 9.5

What followed from the top school tracking is crazy. Pro scout attention immediately followed.

PG was an opportunity for him to see what the “comp” was like at his age (+\-) and feel better in his skin.

Ultimately, his “playability” and being see at the right event by the right folks (random) was the key.

As a NE player he had limited exposure opportunities.

He wound up playing in Omaha 2 years and was a 2nd round draft pick.

Bottom Line: Exposure at and beyond PG and PBR is critical.

You need to hone in on college: local, size, conference, cost, etc . It cannot be a crap shot

My son was asked his sixty time, his throwing velocity, his GPA and his SAT scores. He was never asked his PG score.

Unless a kid is a top shelf, potential high draft pick stud he better have a business plan on getting to college ball. Otherwise his options will be limited. Have a plan. Don’t throw spaghetti off the wall to see what sticks. 

This Summer my son improved his 60 time from very good to elite.  Right after the showcase posted the time to Twitter schools that had already been in touch reached out to the travel coach very aggressively and were at our next two tournaments.  Shortly thereafter he got the offer that he accepted.  I really think that the time made them look at him more intensely.

K9 posted:

This Summer my son improved his 60 time from very good to elite.  Right after the showcase posted the time to Twitter schools that had already been in touch reached out to the travel coach very aggressively and were at our next two tournaments.  Shortly thereafter he got the offer that he accepted.  I really think that the time made them look at him more intensely.

My son is a 2020 MIF.  He did a showcase in June, right after his Sophomore year ended.  He had an 93 exit velo, 89 infield velo and a 7.02 60.  He also is 5'10" and about 180lbs.  Every coach and adviser we talk to says as soon as he can get that 60 in the 6.7x range, things will get exciting.  If not, he will have other choices to make his Sr. year.

From watching kids commit, speed seems to be a huge factor (for non pitchers).  Speed doesn't slump....  Good luck at the showcase.

2022OFDad posted:

PABaseball posted:

I don't think it really matters. You don't shoot for numbers, you do your thing and if a school sees what they like it moves from there. Some D3s are very bad, some have pretty good baseball. The measurements they're looking for will vary greatly. What you should be doing is getting in front of schools on the higher end of the D3 totem poll and seeing how interested they are. You will know based on their interest if you are fishing in the right pond. 

Sorry, completely disagree here. For the time I have been watching this site the mantra has always been “don’t showcase until you have something to show.” Now, suddenly you are saying “it doesn’t matter, just go.”

If your last measurables are 2 years old and you are just going to see where you are, don’t waste your money. Get a stopwatch and time his 60 - have an idea where he is. Borrow a radar gun and clock his FB - have an idea. If he is a position player (non-1B) then he needs to be reasonable close to 7.0 in the sixty to get interest. If he is pitching and is a 2020, he should be 83-4+ whether he is RHP or LHP. If he is at the lower end of the range, he will likely garner more D3 attention than D1/2.

dont go into it blind at this point, it could be a waste of money. And if he isn’t popping good numbers, no school will turn their heads to look at him.

As showcases are new for us and with cost in mind, I agree as to not wasting money and just go. Be ready, be prepared to go. I told my son (15) we will start next year due to costs, then the HS coach sent him a personal invite to one (saying that he is ready) to get some starting numbers and we will build from there. So for $250, I signed him up for one in early February.

My son also wants to do a Perfect Game showcase, we got an invite but at $500, I told him "no, lets wait and maybe do one later in the year or next winter, when we see where his numbers are and get some improvement under his belt."

We will do some college camps to get more feedback, instruction and to check out campuses. We will go to some college games in the Spring as well. For now, we are just getting our feet wet.

meads posted:

2022OFDad posted:

PABaseball posted:

I don't think it really matters. You don't shoot for numbers, you do your thing and if a school sees what they like it moves from there. Some D3s are very bad, some have pretty good baseball. The measurements they're looking for will vary greatly. What you should be doing is getting in front of schools on the higher end of the D3 totem poll and seeing how interested they are. You will know based on their interest if you are fishing in the right pond. 

Sorry, completely disagree here. For the time I have been watching this site the mantra has always been “don’t showcase until you have something to show.” Now, suddenly you are saying “it doesn’t matter, just go.”

If your last measurables are 2 years old and you are just going to see where you are, don’t waste your money. Get a stopwatch and time his 60 - have an idea where he is. Borrow a radar gun and clock his FB - have an idea. If he is a position player (non-1B) then he needs to be reasonable close to 7.0 in the sixty to get interest. If he is pitching and is a 2020, he should be 83-4+ whether he is RHP or LHP. If he is at the lower end of the range, he will likely garner more D3 attention than D1/2.

dont go into it blind at this point, it could be a waste of money. And if he isn’t popping good numbers, no school will turn their heads to look at him.

As showcases are new for us and with cost in mind, I agree as to not wasting money and just go. Be ready, be prepared to go. I told my son (15) we will start next year due to costs, then the HS coach sent him a personal invite to one (saying that he is ready) to get some starting numbers and we will build from there. So for $250, I signed him up for one in early February.

My son also wants to do a Perfect Game showcase, we got an invite but at $500, I told him "no, lets wait and maybe do one later in the year or next winter, when we see where his numbers are and get some improvement under his belt."

We will do some college camps to get more feedback, instruction and to check out campuses. We will go to some college games in the Spring as well. For now, we are just getting our feet wet.

If it helps ease your mind on your choice:  My son played legion ball after his freshman and sophomore years.  Although he played on a travel team the summer after junior year, he never did PG or any big showcase tournament.  We focused on local Mid D1 and HA D3, as he didn't want to go far from home, mostly via the camp route.  He received multiple D1, D2 and D3 offers and will be attending his top D1 choice, which he determined as a sophomore.

If you have a plan and talent, you can do it without throwing a lot of money at it.

Caveat: Son did attend a PBR showcase sophomore year and was invited/attended their Futures Games, which is a huge showcase event. 

I don't think that had an impact on his recruiting though, as he's a bit of a late bloomer.

If you want to stay in your state you find the best places to be seen in your state rather than spending money traveling around the country. Countact the assistant in charge of recruiting and the head coach via email. Express interest in the program and the college. Ask where they look for talent within the state. If there are metrics worth sharing provide them.