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If you crunch the numbers, less than 10% of the position players drafted are less than 6'0" and for pitchers it's probably closer 5%.

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Originally posted by TPM:
Here we go again with scouts not being able to do their job.
I don't disagree with some of the things said (btw stats don't matter), but how come I know of a pitcher who is 5'10" and doesn't throw 95 and will most likely make organizational pitcher of the year with his organization? Sporting a 1.07 ERA in 50 innings pitched one level with a whip of .83. His deception, cut fastball and how he hides the ball in his delivery makes up for what you say is needed to succeed. Second round pick by the way.
There are many pitchers under 6' who are drafted. Their stats or win or losses aren't always stellar, but they had something that made a scout beleive they were pro material. Projection, age at draft, use of pitches, how you pitch against wood, velo, size, starter, reliever, closer, all come into consideration. Most don't care about stats, pitcher of the week, etc.

Why weren't his coaches helpful in the process? Why didn't he ever approach a scout for their opinion?

Many seniors don't get drafted, many used to sign under the rule that allowed them to sign as FA before the draft. If he is that good, he might have options for Indy ball.

JMO.
FBMom(Mary Ann)-Excellent post! It's too bad yours wasn't the first one in response to BBRegie. I know that you understand
how the system works(or doesn't work). I have my opinions about scouts-which I'll keep to myself at this time. I also understand that it's a difficult job to project if a player will be successful at the next level. That being said, when a player like BBRegie's son is a winner(successful) at every level then it doesn't take a genius to say "Why don't we take this kid with our 45th pick? What do we have to lose?" They sign free agents every summer to to take the place of kids that
didn't sign, or got injured, or homesick(I know for a fact that the Indians are short on pitching right now). Go figure??

I think the old scouts that could see things other than a radar gun and and a stopwatch are quickly disappearing from the scene-it's too bad because a lot of talent is being overlooked. And by talent I mean talent of the HEART. It can't be measured by a gun or a watch.

Baseballregie-your son is a winner and Mary Ann is right on with her remarks.

I'm Pulling for you and your son!

(I removed part of my post-after reading it again it seemed boastful and that was not my intent-sorry)
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I think the main thing is to keep your focus if going pro is your son's goal. You just have to impress one scout and you may get your shot.
A LHP on my son's team barely broke 80mph and had to go independent league before scouts signed him. He had amazing stats all through college.
There are all types of scouts. Some are very good and others are not good. They all have their personal perspective on what they look for but are guided by head office who flip flop every year.
Matt Stairs was never drafted and is a great MLB player with 13 years of success.

The hieghts given are usually in Moms high heels. 5'11 becomes 6'1.
A personal friend of mine was told by scouts that if he was taller he would have gone sooner in the draft and got a bigger bonus.
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A while back when it became obvious that my Son may not reach 6'3" and throw over 90+ and knowing that his dream is to play MLB, we as a family made a commitment to developing him as a position player, even though he remains a pretty good pitcher. He has yet to officially hit 6', but I continued to grow into my 20's (in height I mean, I still have a propensity to add girth).

If you know what the scouts are looking for, and your Son wants to be noticed by them, it makes sense to position yourself so they see what the want to see.

Many players that can pitch, especially the shorter variety tend to be very good athletically and can probably field their position well and can also probably hit. It may make some sense to consider that a sub 6' player with a good arm might do well as a 2nd baseman (or some other position) where he may have a Plus Arm...If the goal is to play professionally.

It has yet to work out for my guy, so take my opinion with more than a few grains of salt...
Excellent post Mary Anne.

B-regie,

Tell your son to follow his dreams and if that is baseball then to play somewhere, whatever level that may be.

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Originally posted by FutureBack.Mom:
b-regie ...

Sorry to read this about your son. It appears that he was quite successful in his college career, and might well be successful at the professional level. Unfortunately, as much as we would like to believe that the MLB teams want 'winners', instead we see the 'projectable' player drafted time and again. It can be very disheartening for the player, his family, and his fans.

Granted, some players who are successful at the college level are not as successful when they are drafted ... I can think of two right off the top of my head who pitched very well for a major D1 team (the same team) and were drafted in different years, but one was released in his first full season and the other is still active but not doing nearly as well as people expected when he was drafted. And there are kids who might appear almost marginal in college that get drafted, with everybody shaking and scratching their heads and wondering why/how anybody would draft that player, only to see that player blossom in the pros.

Professional baseball is as confusing as any enigma can be ... but the bottom line, as was indicated by another poster, is that MLB is a BUSINESS first and foremost and the powers that be in their front offices do whatever they can to fill the seats of the MLB team's stadium and make money. And I believe that unfortunately some real quality players are overlooked because they don't fit the stereotype of the projectable player.

I hope that if your son has the dream to continue, he will follow through with some other options ... indy teams, post-draft try-outs/work-outs for free agent signings, etc. It is a shame that he has had to see that side of life which seems to not reward hard work, but unfortunately that is what happens in life and we as parents can only stand behind them, love them, and give them a safe place to fall if they must.
Haven't been on in awhile and just found this thread. BReggies' son is a winner and will end up on his feet. He plays with a passion like no other. I also know that he won't give up pursuing his baseball options and will open eyes somewhere in the baseball world. A favorite memory of him was during the Conference Championships and he had pitched quite a few innings that day. We went to the hotel to take our son to dinner and while all the boys were cleaned up and heading out to supper, this particular young man was running. He said he wanted to be ready to pitch tomorrow. That's the kind of player he is. Someone will give him a chance and he will take full advantage of it. Good luck to your son. You raised a fine young man!!!

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