squared up perfect but a little under it

Is it possible you need to learn about sequencing?

2011 RHP you have a PM.

Do you have any video of your recent AB's?

Bluedog,
There you go again...a confused young man here came for advice not cryptic messages. Tell him what you exactly mean by "sequencing" and why that may help him. Your reply only contributes to the problem...try being part of the answer.

You are probably swinging a little early.

Blue,
I have seen you many times communicate that answer, even to questions I have posted. I believe there is something you can learn from everybody and it has gotten to the point that I want to learn more about sequencing. Do you have more information on sequencing or where can I get information on sequencing?

So are you going to help out or what?

Bluedog

May I ask if reading the bible often can help your swing and create line drives in the gaps instead of long fly balls

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So are you going to help out or what?

Always here to help......There is a "find" button at the top of the page.....Hit that button, type in the word, sequencing, and start reading.....You will find my explanations, even though you and Abrams say I never explain anything....

You're welcome in advance....

BLuedog

Mr Sarcasm, that "may I ask" is directed to you---


So typical of you, stil as it was before, is that you never answer a question--

Have a Happy New Year

Bluedog,

Ain't buying what you're selling....can't figure out what you believe a swing should be.

12/7/08..you said "back hip fires while hands are going back".
12/23/09....you said "hands and back hip fire together".

You must have had an epiphany between the posts.

You are 100% correct sequencing is important in the swing (or throwing,eating,whatever) so use that knowledge and apply it to the young man's question. Based on the '08 and '09 posts, he might need you to explain your thoughts.

Leverages post...he could be on the right topic but maybe backwards. Timing being late typically produces more pop ups on fastballs than being early ( ask anybody that ever played catcher; it's something catchers look for particularly to opposite field). If he is popping up offspeed, I'll go with Leverage. Would like to know more about the pitching quality, the velocity and what field he hit the flyballs to. Either way, I think the young man may have timing issues as in timing of the stride and heel plant versus "sequencing" of hips and hands....

...unless you want to explain to him how "sequencing" out of whack will affect the swing plane of the bat (it does) and where /how the "sequencing" is breaking down (that is called an answer). Based on his point about hitting the ball on the sweetspot but just under it, your point about "sequencing" may be an issue. "Sequencing" is your baby so the floor is yours...

(the "whip" post...a non answer and essentially self serving. Had you explained (that word again) what causes whip versus the effect of whip you would have made an answer).

But before you do explain, you have to get the 08 and 09 posts figured out. You have alot of good knowledge but often waste it with the "hotdog" answers to high school kids that are asking for help.

You've got it in you...let it out. It would be a shame to die an old man and to never have shared what you know....or do you have a hitting DVD you're selling? "The Zen of Sequencing"?

2011RP ---

IMO; Your Coaches suggestion to drop the front shoulder, raise the back, will just exacerbate your problem. You need to have someone video a game or two. You may see that as you "Load" the hands and rear elbow could be high, lowering the front shoulder. Then, many times you may drop as you begin the swing and the bat head is dropping below your hands and under the ball.

If you see that to be the case, you can work on adjustments off the Tee. Also, in the interim, you might consider widening your stance, leveling your shoulders on your load .... Sometimes, just getting a little lower gives you a different, and maybe better view of the baseball.

Good luck!! You guys still playing in December in Texas???????

So if the hands are going back while the hip is firing (at the same time) then are you saying that the hands and bat are behind the hip? As opposed to having the hands and the hip lined up going together? As in "Linkage"?

Squaring up to the ball means adjustment. There is no way your going to be able to time every pitch, so your going to have to make an adjustment in mid swing.

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Originally posted by floridafan:
So if the hands are going back while the hip is firing (at the same time) then are you saying that the hands and bat are behind the hip? As opposed to having the hands and the hip lined up going together? As in "Linkage"?

Technically, the barrel is going rearward as the rear hip turns/moves forward. They are firing at the same time, but in different directions. The hips fire in the direction of the pitch while the hands fire the barrel in the direction of the backstop. The hands and forearms turn the barrel around a point between the hands. The initial stretch happens before that, called separation.

Omigod, Bluedog...you're a slow-pitch softball guy.

At least you are attempting to explain something...finally. Still not answering the young man's questions but merely responding to those that are trying to get you to stand up. Oh well....you are consistent.

Carry on.

So is that consistant with this swing? My guy 3 years ago...click on the hitting link.

http://www.getmynameout.com/er.../blogcategory/23/42/

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IMO; Your Coaches suggestion to drop the front shoulder, raise the back, will just exacerbate your problem. You need to have someone video a game or two. You may see that as you "Load" the hands and rear elbow could be high, lowering the front shoulder. Then, many times you may drop as you begin the swing and the bat head is dropping below your hands and under the ball.

If you see that to be the case, you can work on adjustments off the Tee. Also, in the interim, you might consider widening your stance, leveling your shoulders on your load .... Sometimes, just getting a little lower gives you a different, and maybe better view of the baseball.

Good luck!! You guys still playing in December in Texas???????

Still not sure what made me suddenly start dipping under the ball but whatever it was widening my stance took care of it. At least in batting practice I'm going to put it to the test tomorrow in a game.


And yes, we are still playing. I believe my last tournament is Jan 16

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Originally posted by floridafan:
So is that consistant with this swing? My guy 3 years ago...click on the hitting link.

http://www.getmynameout.com/er.../blogcategory/23/42/

No, Sir. His lower body is perfect, but his hands and upper body aren't unloading properly. He is bleeding (losing) his hand load before he swings. He is pulling with his bottom hand and pushing with his top hand. Those mechanics will make him vulnerable to off speed away at the upper levels. He is very good at what he is doing, but it just won't work in MLB if that's his goal.

I agree with power. He is casting the hands. A great tool to fix this is the insider bat. I don't have a link, but you can google it. Lastly, I'm not affiliated with insider bat in anyway, I just like the product.

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Omigod, Bluedog...

Please don't use blasphemy.....Show respect for our Creator....

An easier fix would be to keep the back elbow closer to the body.

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...hips and hands together. Watch the back hip of a hitter and his hands move in unison.

This is what Abrams said in an earlier thread....Is this what you see?..I think not...What he is describing is a push or pull.....Doesn't work...

You see, there's this thing called overlap which causes whip...

Bluedog,

Defintely, you are a slow pitch softball guy...watch the video closer. You are decent at understanding parts of the swing so why you don't see what is happening is suprising.

And using Ortiz as an example...surely you've got better examples of a MLB hitter. Will say Ortiz jumped on a mistake very well in that video (coaching tip...watch the catchers mitt).

As far as the earlier thread, look at your 12/23/09
post. Push/pull...that's funny; I never said that or described anything close..those are your words to explain what you are confused about. That's fine, you'll get it as soon as you put down the slow pitch softball DVDs.

Sequencing,overlap,whip...can't wait for the next "buzz word".

As far as blasphemy, my Creator saw me through a time when by neccesity and orders I shook hands with the Devil as many of us did to survive. I still have that small Bible I carried overseas; a little ragged but strong as ever. I don't really need your help cementing the bond I have with God, but thank you for your concern.

As you were; carry on.

Abrams, there is no excuse for using blasphemy.....

As for the rest of your post, you said what you said, I brought it to light and, well, posted a clip to show otherwise...It is what it is.....

Did you really make that comment about Ortiz?

Bluedog,

Get a grip on yourself and watch your video closer.

Yes, I made the comment about finding a better example than Ortiz. He isn't doing what you claim; look closer and focus. He is supporting what I said about the rear hip and hands.

Push/pull are your words, not mine. You're the one that likes the buzz words, not me. In the future, please do not misquote me or others in an effort to support your opinion; very unethical habit. I'm truly sorry you can not understand what you are seeing in MLB swing videos. Put down the slow pitch DVD.

Love your take on blasphemy...you've never sat on a baseball bench past LL much less a college/minor league bench have you. You ought to look up all the definitions of blasphemy before you cast stones. Since you like using the Bible, there is a part called The New Testament that it sounds like you haven't read or understood.

Carry on. Good luck.

Abrams, the principle I describe, and you argue against, is the same principle MLB pitchers use....

For your viewing pleasure....



Another angle of a hitter doing just as I describe, and you argue against...

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You ought to look up all the definitions of blasphemy before you cast stones.

Only definition I care about is God's....As for the casting stones comment, you use it out of context....I just pointed out that you used blasphemy....And, I wish, for your sake, you wouldn't...

Now, I've decided to let you play your little games by yourself....It's been fun....

Anyone else wanna discuss hitting, I'm ready....

It is pretty clear that blue dog is correct about the torque created by the difference between the upper and lower body. Just my opinion.

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It is pretty clear that blue dog is correct about the torque created by the difference between the upper and lower body.

And all this bantering is related .... HOW .... to 2011RHP's original question???????

Bluedog,
That is my original point...what principle have you actually described? How does this bear on RHP2011's question? That little detail would answer the young man's question.

Results,
Never said there wasn't torque achieved between upper and lower halves of body during the swing/load. Nothing I have said applies to that torque; if torque is the actual principle in question...how would that apply to RHP2011's question? If torque was the issue, it would have been nice to simply say "torque". I, as most of us, seek straight answers with no "buzz words" so everybody can understand what is meant. Hit-and-Run answers rarely serve anyone but the ego of the one giving the answer...certainly not someone seeking help by asking the question.

Prime9,
You are correct. That was the orginal intent in trying to get a full explaination of "sequencing" for the young man. Didn't happen. Coach May (as usual) took the proper course in answering the young man's question via a PM. Actually sent my first PM yesterday to another poster on a different matter; very good,concise method that works well.

Fortunately for all of us that failed to help RHP2011, he stated that he widened his stance in practice and it helped. Makes sense; perhaps Coach May was able to help him out. Hopefully, that success carries over to the game. Sounds like he didn't need any of our "help" (actually Prime9 may have helped) after all.

I've heard about this...It's biomechanical sequencing....New here..actually long time reader...Surely this isn't what blue dog was talking about but thought I'd share.


http://www.navcosa.com/index.p...icle&id=23&Itemid=34

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And all this bantering is related .... HOW .... to 2011RHP's original question???????

Prime, if you don't know, then, you're in the wrong place here....

Prime9,

Yeah, you're in the wrong place if you want an explaination or straight answer.

Seems you made the suggestion that according to RHP2011 post, helped the young man's problem.

Hmmm...and YOU'RE in the wrong place? Maybe we all better leave.

Of course, some will think they gave you the answer in a HitnRun comment. My take... your post your credit for helping the young man. Everything the rest of us did was blowing smoke at one another or banter about for our own amusement.

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Prime, if you don't know, then, you're in the wrong place here....

Mr. BlueDog; you may very well be correct. I'm here to learn from all the shared knowledge and experiences provided in this forum. RHP2011 posted seeking advice. If understanding "Sequencing" is THE answer to hitting under the ball, then "pop-ups" should disappear from the game .... if only we had your knowledge. Bottle, or print that one as I'm ready to "pony up" some bucks and go to market with you. There are others posting here, however, who PONTIFICATE to vicariously feed their egos.

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There are others posting here, however, who PONTIFICATE to vicariously feed their egos.

Go right ahead....I was just answering your question...That's all....

Prime9,

PONTIFICATE? PONTIFICATE?....

very interesting choice of words based on it's origin. Not bad, not bad at all.