I'm keeping in mind that the son is not doing the writing. I'm betting he is probably a pretty good kid who does well in school, treats others well and is at least a good baseball player.
I don't recall Mark ever writing what the goal they have set for baseball, but it may quite possibly be something other than a D-1 ride (which I think is now set at 33%.) Perhaps he is brighter than most here and he realizes education should come first and he is just looking for the best fit both baseball wise and for education. Sometimes I think most everyone on this site seems to think the goal for all HS Players is to play big-time college baseball or make it to the pros. Nothing wrong with it, but of course most will never get there.
Nonetheless, for anyone who has been through the "process" a time or two it is a bit much to read about every little thing this player or that player is doing. Maybe when a kid is a true stud and is really making news, but for your garden variety good HS PLayer it is just too much.....and I'd always rather hear it from someone other than the dad. It just looks better.....and is a lot more credible.
And to Mark...maybe you are right and maybe you are wrong about blogging and promoting as you do, but for a RHP, he better be able to impress the Radar Gun, because that's what it comes down to.
You know what they say.... If you have to talk about your son, it's because nobody else is..
What will happen is Dolphin Mom will make a large honorarium to some school and miraculously little dolphin will get a deal there. It's pathetic.
At least eight Illinois Players were at the Stanford Camp. Several were from Top Tier and Mike Olp. Apparently more than a handful of the Illinois faithful believe in the benefits of attending this highly acclaimed camp. My son got off of the plane this morning at 5:30 am, flying a red eye back from San Francisco. He said he had another great experience.
He wore uniform number 84 and was the starting pitcher on Thursday, going 5 innings and allowing 2 runs. He said that he had a great defense behind him that was making the plays. On Saturday he had a one inning appearance and struck out the side. It was a great way to end the camp for him.
Once again the chronic complainers come out of the wordwork. It seems like every Internet place has them...these are the same people for whom the weather is always too warm or too cold, the boss is a jerk, the food is lousy, work sucks and … you can fill out an endless list and no matter what one says they only see the bad in their life - and they go to huge lengths to point it out to everyone around them.
I’m not saying we should outlaw the chronic complainers. They just exist. It’s a fact that negative people are highly contagious and one chronic complainer can easily bring alot of good things around them down.
Don't listen to the naysayers. They apparently live to bring others down. I highly recommend this camp.
He wore uniform number 84 and was the starting pitcher on Thursday, going 5 innings and allowing 2 runs. He said that he had a great defense behind him that was making the plays. On Saturday he had a one inning appearance and struck out the side. It was a great way to end the camp for him.
Once again the chronic complainers come out of the wordwork. It seems like every Internet place has them...these are the same people for whom the weather is always too warm or too cold, the boss is a jerk, the food is lousy, work sucks and … you can fill out an endless list and no matter what one says they only see the bad in their life - and they go to huge lengths to point it out to everyone around them.
I’m not saying we should outlaw the chronic complainers. They just exist. It’s a fact that negative people are highly contagious and one chronic complainer can easily bring alot of good things around them down.
Don't listen to the naysayers. They apparently live to bring others down. I highly recommend this camp.
It's time to ignore Mark and let him live in his own world. As Frasier once asked Cliff Clavin, "Mark, what color is the sky in your world?" Hopy you put your recruiting skills to work as you try and get that perfect school for your kid.
....living in a totally connected Internet World.
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This being true, Mark, then a search would yield your rant and raves from the 2006 USSSa IL State Championship game. Complaints about the umpires, complaints about the other team, suggestions that the facilities were in on a "fix".
Maybe in your totally connected world you can bring those posts back and show and share with the class.
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This being true, Mark, then a search would yield your rant and raves from the 2006 USSSa IL State Championship game. Complaints about the umpires, complaints about the other team, suggestions that the facilities were in on a "fix".
Maybe in your totally connected world you can bring those posts back and show and share with the class.
I happen to agree with Coach Butler's point of view and especially - this site is not about self-promotion or marketing. In fact, it is not even about free speech.
Couple of thoughts...
I think the criticism about how much one spends does not make any sense. If someone has 1 million bucks to spend promoting their son then more power to them.
On the other hand, I can see why people get rankled over someone who only seems to care about themselves. The beauty of this site is that most people seem to contribute to help others as well. Sure people share their own stories and accomplishments from time to time but that is only natural. When someone uses it exclusively for their own selfish reasons, that is going too far and most decent people are going to object to it.
I agree with the sentiments that these over-the-top "marketing" tactics are hurting the son. If I am a coach reading these boards, a word comes to mind. That word is baggage. I would never want to burden my son that way.
Couple of thoughts...
I think the criticism about how much one spends does not make any sense. If someone has 1 million bucks to spend promoting their son then more power to them.
On the other hand, I can see why people get rankled over someone who only seems to care about themselves. The beauty of this site is that most people seem to contribute to help others as well. Sure people share their own stories and accomplishments from time to time but that is only natural. When someone uses it exclusively for their own selfish reasons, that is going too far and most decent people are going to object to it.
I agree with the sentiments that these over-the-top "marketing" tactics are hurting the son. If I am a coach reading these boards, a word comes to mind. That word is baggage. I would never want to burden my son that way.
Opinions.....everyone has one and as for the cynical critics.....well they just want to be part of a discussion, rather than do their daily grind.
So be it.
So be it.
Mark, maybe you should you use a professional service to market your son. Marketing kids is what they do, so they would probably do a better job than you.
I haven't heard Olp's name in over a year. I'm glad to hear he is still playing baseball. I know he excels at football and I think he was a wrestler as well.
I actually had dinner last night with a friend and teammate of Jason Ormond. I asked how Jason was doing. The kid is an excellent student. He works hard, is a good hitter and throws strikes.
I talked to a father of a D1 player last summer. The man said he saw all his kid's games and was extremely involved in the recruiting and signing process (the son goes to Lehigh). As soon as the letter of intent was signed, the coach reached out his hand to the father and said, "nice meeting you. I look forward to speaking with you again at graduation". Good coaches know how to deal with the situation that is described here. A school that feels Jason meets their acedemic and baseball requirements will take him. JMO
I actually had dinner last night with a friend and teammate of Jason Ormond. I asked how Jason was doing. The kid is an excellent student. He works hard, is a good hitter and throws strikes.
I talked to a father of a D1 player last summer. The man said he saw all his kid's games and was extremely involved in the recruiting and signing process (the son goes to Lehigh). As soon as the letter of intent was signed, the coach reached out his hand to the father and said, "nice meeting you. I look forward to speaking with you again at graduation". Good coaches know how to deal with the situation that is described here. A school that feels Jason meets their acedemic and baseball requirements will take him. JMO
I am sure that Mrs. Flipper will share with us the fruits of her labor, that being the names of the D-1 programs that will undoubtedly be beating down her door with fish in hand for the young flipper. Something smells fishy around here....
bballdad1954,
Way to come to the defense of a fellow "Clubber" wouldn't expect anything less. Did Josh give you that info about Jason?
Way to come to the defense of a fellow "Clubber" wouldn't expect anything less. Did Josh give you that info about Jason?
quote:Originally posted by ClevelandDad:
... I can see why people get rankled over someone who only seems to care about themselves. The beauty of this site is that most people seem to contribute to help others as well. Sure people share their own stories and accomplishments from time to time but that is only natural. When someone uses it exclusively for their own selfish reasons, that is going too far and most decent people are going to object to it.
BINGO. Hit the nail on the head CD...well done.
Im hearing that Stanford is extremely interested in my sons Spark teammate Justin Ringo . Ringo wasnt at the Stanford camp though..he was in Peoria .
Didn't Justin make All-State this year? I hear he hit a ton.. 18 dingers? Wow!
Justin can rake!
That'd be a nice matchup if he was to dig in vs. our internet and Whitney Young all star...eh?
That'd be a nice matchup if he was to dig in vs. our internet and Whitney Young all star...eh?
What is the scary part is that a supposed adult male, if in fact it is a male, has to post as a woman and develop a profile describing himself as a her. The ultra egotistic profile is enough to turn college coaches and pro scouts off
As one who is deeply involved with kids and the recruiting process I can tell you that what Dolphin Mom is doing on this site will give them, the college coaches, second thoughts regarding the baggage the son carries.
I know that I do not need this sort of nonsense where my travel team players are concerned.
As one who is deeply involved with kids and the recruiting process I can tell you that what Dolphin Mom is doing on this site will give them, the college coaches, second thoughts regarding the baggage the son carries.
I know that I do not need this sort of nonsense where my travel team players are concerned.
Is it OK if I second the Justin can rake comment?
We watched him line one off the Baggy at the Metrodome. Stanford wasn't there (In the World Series) at the time, but just about every other top college in the country not in the CWS was there. I'm positive Stanford knows everything that happened there. They are always at that event unless in the CWS. So are the other 7 CWS teams. You can't name a top 100 type college program that wasn't there except for those 8 in the CWS. It was nice to see Oregon State there this year, but I'm sure they wished they weren't.
BTW, Maldonado hit two game HRs in the Metrodome, one in the Showcase against the best pitching in the country. Ian Krol was outstanding as usual. There were a couple other Illinois kids who did very well for themself.
Sorry to butt in, I'm out of here!
We watched him line one off the Baggy at the Metrodome. Stanford wasn't there (In the World Series) at the time, but just about every other top college in the country not in the CWS was there. I'm positive Stanford knows everything that happened there. They are always at that event unless in the CWS. So are the other 7 CWS teams. You can't name a top 100 type college program that wasn't there except for those 8 in the CWS. It was nice to see Oregon State there this year, but I'm sure they wished they weren't.
BTW, Maldonado hit two game HRs in the Metrodome, one in the Showcase against the best pitching in the country. Ian Krol was outstanding as usual. There were a couple other Illinois kids who did very well for themself.
Sorry to butt in, I'm out of here!
norfrank, Josh hasn't been a teammate of Jason's since they were 12 years old. That is 5 years ago. If he was, I would have been watcing Jason and wouldn't need to ask how he was doing. It was Gabe, a WY teammate. Does it bother you that everyone isn't ganglering up on Mark?
Add two more long ones for Ringo today in Peoria .
Sorry. 15 dingers for Mr. Ringo. Here's the link to the All-State team. http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/highscho...,0,3932971.htmlstory
bballdad1954,
I just glad not everyone is ganglering up on me.
I just glad not everyone is ganglering up on me.
Now now Nor... Let's not spread this around like a bad cold. BBalldad is a stand-up guy and exhibits none of those tendancies... I spent many a night in Clubber-Land and the kids and the parents were always classy and respectful. But the guy up in the booth.....
Norfrank
I have known bballdad for many years . He has always told it like it is . Elitist attitude ?? thats way off base ..not even close to describing who he is. Look no further than the redhead ..great kid . Sometimes you cant be afraid to criticize the coach when it is obviously called for. If you havent noticed by now..the purpose of the board is to be allowed to express your opinion . The personal stuff is uncalled for.
I have known bballdad for many years . He has always told it like it is . Elitist attitude ?? thats way off base ..not even close to describing who he is. Look no further than the redhead ..great kid . Sometimes you cant be afraid to criticize the coach when it is obviously called for. If you havent noticed by now..the purpose of the board is to be allowed to express your opinion . The personal stuff is uncalled for.
Sulltiger,I liked Lucille Ball too. We have something in common. But what does she have to do with baseball?
Mr. Kennedy and Sully, thanks for protecting my back. I never saw the personal attack, must have been edited. But I appreciate you sticking up for me. Your sons are fine young men and a credit to you and your respective family. Sean pitched great at Stevenson, and Mike and his bat will always be wanted. Good luck with the calls this week, both boys are sure to get them.
This thread has just about outlived it's usefullness. I'll let it stand for now BUT I'm thinking it is time to put an end to it.
There's a thread in the General forum regarding the Stanford camp for some other perspectives, if anyone is interested.
quote:Originally posted by Dolphin Mom:
At least eight Illinois Players were at the Stanford Camp. Several were from Top Tier and Mike Olp. Apparently more than a handful of the Illinois faithful believe in the benefits of attending this highly acclaimed camp. My son got off of the plane this morning at 5:30 am, flying a red eye back from San Francisco. He said he had another great experience.
He wore uniform number 84 and was the starting pitcher on Thursday, going 5 innings and allowing 2 runs. He said that he had a great defense behind him that was making the plays. On Saturday he had a one inning appearance and struck out the side. It was a great way to end the camp for him.
Once again the chronic complainers come out of the wordwork. It seems like every Internet place has them...these are the same people for whom the weather is always too warm or too cold, the boss is a jerk, the food is lousy, work sucks and … you can fill out an endless list and no matter what one says they only see the bad in their life - and they go to huge lengths to point it out to everyone around them.
I’m not saying we should outlaw the chronic complainers. They just exist. It’s a fact that negative people are highly contagious and one chronic complainer can easily bring alot of good things around them down.
Don't listen to the naysayers. They apparently live to bring others down. I highly recommend this camp.
Oh my God--this is so funny. I ran across all the marketing stuff a few years ago when I was looking for some travel options for my son. Even with my lack of experience, I realized it was way over the top. I feel sorry for the son--dolphin "mom"--you know it has to be embarrassing for him. Bow out now.
Classic thread... thanks for bringing it back!