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I just found this site......it has a WEALTH of GREAT information! I see many of you have a lot of experience with college recruiting and I'd appreciate some feedback, please.


My son (05 RHP/SS) has set a goal of playing D I baseball. His HS coach has encouraged him and says this is a reasonable goal.

Last summer, in addition to playing Legion ball, he was recruited for a team to go to the Baseball America Junior Olympic Tournament in Tucson. The team didn't do well, but it was a GREAT experience for my son!

He also attended the Stanford Baseball Camp in July. He enjoyed that experience, too.

As a result of this exposure, he's received letters from several colleges (Notre Dame, Air Force Academy, University of Hawaii, University of Arizona and a few others). We know these are just letters at this piont and don't mean much, except that he (and hundreds of others!)is on their radar screen (but it IS exciting to see my son's name on Notre Dame stationery!! Big Grin). He has sent transcripts and his baseball schedule to several schools, so we hope someone will be "watching him" this season.

He's looking forward to going to the Stanford Camp again this summer. My question is, should he go back Stanford's camp or is there a benefit in attending a DIFFERENT camp? Do you have any other suggestions?

Thanks, in advance, for your help!
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Norcalmom, welcome to the board and congrats on your first post.

I suggest that you take a look at your son's list of colleges/baseball programs that he is interested in. (If he hasn't made a list yet, now is the time. You can find a recruiting timeline on the site’s homepage.) Your son’s junior summer is very important, so you both should be looking for events that will provide the most exposure to the schools on your list. If you were referring to the Stanford All-Star Camp, this invitation-only camp is a great opportunity to be seen by many colleges, but look closely at the list of schools that attended. Since you are from northern CA, is your son interested in schools on the west coast? If so, than maybe attending again is not the best choice as most of the schools that participate in this Stanford camp are NOT west-coast schools. Just something to consider when you make your choice. Do your best to get in front of the right audience. A prospect camp at your son’s number one college may be the better option. Cool
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He should go back to Stanford.....Because of this camp, my son had offers from two D-1 schools back East, and flew back there twice on offical visits. From this camp he recently received phone calls from other coaches. Other college are now interested in him because big schools back East wanted him. This all happened because of the Stanford camp. Because of Stanford it looks like he will play for the college that was always #1 on his list.
norcalmom -
You're quite welcome. If Stanford is #1 you cannot go wrong by attending again. It is a great camp, our son also enjoyed it, and as you know the exposure is first rate. But, consider that they have already seen your son and you have the advantage of being local! Have your son keep in communication with the coaches, let them know of his interest in Stanford and provide them with his spring schedule. That way the coaches can follow your son’s progress if the interest is there. This summer you have an opportunity to continue to broaden your son's exposure. My suggestion is still to view all your options and decide which venues will get your son in front of as many different college coaches on his wish list as your schedule and $$'s will allow.

Good luck to you and all of us here in 2004! Many of us can use all the luck we can get added to our son's baseball talents. Smile
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I also highly recommend the Stanford All-Star camp. Many top colleges will be attending to help run the camp. An excellent opportunity for exposure to many schools as well as a top instructional camp. It fills up fast and usually for most positions it closes by the end of this month! Don't delay responding if you are interested!
Gotta agree on going to the Stanford Camp if for no other reason than the exposure to so many college coaches. As someone mentioned above, if a west coast school is your goal, there were very, very few there. However, I believe every Ivy school had a rep there and there were dozens of schools represented in all.

I would estimate that my son received contact from about 6 schools after the camp and none were ones he had considered before hand. His number one choice became a D3 school that saw him at the camp. He has verbally "committed" to the coach, he is now just waiting for acceptance by the admissions office.

My son called it the brainiac camp. The first question almost every coach asked him was what his SAT score was. There is an amazing amount of talent at this camp, great instruction. In many ways, good and bad it was an eye opener as to what college sports is about, the amount of work, competition, coaches attitudes etc. If you can, you gotta go.
Norcal,
My son went to try out in Houston for Youth National Team a few years ago. Although he did not make the team, we learned that this was great exposure for him and was seen at the time by some coaches, scouts who had followed his development. He was also very young but was able to keep up with the pitchers who made 2002,2003 first two draft rounds. He is an 04.
Key word is development, if he continues to mature and shows great player potential from year to year, AND excels in class he has a bright future.
My son also had the attitude "I will go where ever I get a full ride". This is not the norm in baseball scholarships. You will notice that as he matures so will his thought process on that subject.
As to Cal Poly- Coach Price left there after 2002. He was at the Stanford 2003 camp as the Kansas coach.

Not aware that anyone from Cal Poly was at the Stanford '03 camp and I'm quite certain that no one from Stanford was at the Cal Poly 03 camp (as they had been in the past when Price was at CP)

the 03 Cal Poly camp was actually a disappointment in terms of other school involvment. It is/was run in a very similar format to the Stanford camp and was advertised that many, many schools would be there. Unfortunately, with Price leaving, they must have lost many "connections". the only other schools present that I saw at the Cal Poly camp was one coach from Tennessee and a coach from UCDavis. The rest were local high school personnel and mostly Cal Poly's staff and some folks from the local semi-pro SLO Blues.

The camp was fine instruction and otherwise, but if your hope was to be "seen" at the Cal Poly camp this past summer, there was very, very, very little exposure other than Cal Poly's own people. It was nothing like Stanford in this respect. For that matter, I think Stanford's camp is unique at least on the west coast. My son has been to camps at SC, UCLA, Pepperdine and others and it is always just there own people. Only at Stanford did we find representatives from other schools and there were dozens.

Several people in fact left early from the Cal Poly camp making alot of noise that it wasn't as advertised (and it wasn't).
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Kansas University runs a similar camp. Our kid received an invite after attending the Stanford camp. Looks like KU used the Stanford attendee list as a mailing list. Most of the schools at the KU camp were also at Stanford, including Stanford. A couple Big 12 schools not at Stanford were at KU.

Our boy might have gone, but we ran out of showcase money. If I had to do this again I'd still pick Stanford as #1 recruiting camp to attend.

Word to the wise - your player's grades need to stack up to Stanford admissions requirements to ensure an invitation.
You need an invite to the camp. Have son write the obligatory letter to the recruiting coach expressing interest in the program. You'll get back the obligatory survey card. Return the survey card. Based on the data on the card you may/may not receive an invitation in the mail.

Yes, college coaches from schools that are not official participants in the camp will lurk in the stands. We received a call from a school who saw player at camp, but was not listed as a camp coach.
Also: Players are placed on teams and each team has a highly qualified coach, usually one of the head coaches from a University that is scouting the camp. The players attend workouts and training sessions and because the camp is over a 5 day period of time, each team plays several games so position players and pitchers all get plenty of opportunity to perform. The cost is reasonable if you consider that the campers are housed and fed in the dorms for the week. It is a great opportunity for players to learn what college baseball is like and also be seen by numerous schools. thumb
33's. I think it might increase your chance of being invited if your high school or summer coach contacts Stanford about you. I believe last year that they had 262 players and a long waiting list. This camp has become very selective even though the number of campers seems quite large. This approach is not necessary if you already have been contacted or received an invitation from Stanford as they usually make sure that anyone they might be recruiting is invited.
I don't know how they do it or the applicable rule, but from my observation (son attended last summer) there is no way this camp could have been opened to just anyone. Out of nearly 300 kids there, every one I saw could play.

My son has been to other college camps and you get a wide, wide range in talent. At the Stanford camp it was better, better and better still.

Of the schools that have seriously recruited my son, I believe all but 1 saw him at the Stanford camp.

I would not be surprised if it isn't already full. If there are openings still, apply now!
mhs26 and tar, they do what others do, they take a certain # of kids and close it down. my only point is that you do have to accept all comers, like it or not. i was @ the FSU Super Skills Camp last year and though the 44 kids there were all good players, there were some that were obviously not top D1 players. when i asked about this i was told that the camp was open per ncaa rules and that until the quota was reached, they accepted all comers. i had a conversation today with a top D1 recruiter that confirmed that there cannot be an "invitation only" D1 camp.
hey batter, it was open, believe it. there is a way and it works like this. if you are fsu or stanford you can get high quality players, 600 of them at an fsu camp i attended 7 years ago. fsu has 2 camps like this and they ask for advanced players only. then they have one which is an elite camp called super skills that targets some of the best players in the country. in that one they take about 40 kids only. even at super skills there is a small percentage of players with less ability. i do not believe stanford is somehow circumventing the rule.
I'm not in any fashion trying to imply that any rule is broken or any impropriety engaged in, but the manners in which applications can be processed is not that big a deal and most any "result" you want to portray is possible.

My son received an application last year and was accepted to the camp before it ever appeared on their website. I know others who swear they got their app in before other players they knew, yet the other player(s) was accepted and they were told they'd applied too late.

Also, if it's simply open to everyone, why did they call my son's high school coach to get a recommendation.

With all that and from what I saw, if this camp is simply enrolled on a first come first serve basis then they just happened to get apps from 300 of the best high school players I've ever seen before anyone else applied Wink

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My son was at the 2003 camp. Of the Ivies, Brown,Dartmouth and Harvard were "officially" part of it. I met coaches from every other Ivy except penn, not sure if they were there. All the rest were in the stands every day. Princeton appeared to have their entire staff. Yale had one coach as did Cornell and Columbia.
Dad...Yes, Coach Scott Bradley was at the Stanford camp and scouting for Princeton.

He was there to see a couple of infielders; a couple of pitchers; and, anyone else that he likely felt could help Princeton and get admitted to the school.

He picked up an infielder from Illinois; two pitchers from California.

He also picked up an infielder from Texas and a pitcher from Texas. He lost Will McDaniel, a big righthander, to Rice. Not sure where he is/was with a righthanded pitcher from Chet Lemon's Juice team in Florida.

Looking forward to the entire experience with my family and my son.
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I just sent my son's application to the Stanford camp off last week. Hope I wasn't too late. He is presently a soph and just finishing up basketball season. He thinks he has more of a future in baseball. Time will tell. My question, does the Stanford camp accept only a certain number of ss or do they lump the middle infielders together for acceptance purposes? I have heard great things about the camp and I know my son will learn a lot and have a very positive experience.Any info appreciated.
its my understanding that no ncaa program can have an invite only camp. lo and behold my son got invited to an ASU invite only camp.He was also invited to Stanford. Stanfords information included no reference to invite only . I'll get back to you when my info is solid. OR IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE THAT CAN ANSWER IF INVITE ONLY IS ALLOWED? NO GUESSING! JUST THE FACTS!
bmx - Don't know for sure, but I would bet it is a good one. Here's what I know.

* Richie Price coached at Cal-Poly before KU and ran a camp very similar to Stanford's there. Was well attended by quality players and coaches.

* Coach Price is good friends with the Stanford coaches and participates himself in the Stanford Camp.

* My son's pitching coach played for Coach Price when he was a JC coach and calls him "the best coach he ever had." Coach Price is very well respected on the West Coast where he coached for years (JC and Cal Poly).

* I believe some of the Stanford coaches attended the Kansas Camp last year - not sure about that, but thats what I heard.

* KU is in the Big 12 - a well regarded baseball conference. Coach Price didn't leave California for nothing - he must believe he can do well there.

Hope that helps.

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Our son received an invitation to the Stanford All Star Camp today. It is being held July 1-5. I've read the posts related to this camp and his application will be mailed tomorrow. It is costly- $675 for housing, meals, etc plus airfare, of course, but this sounds like a wonderful venue to get both terrific instruction and also show your skills.
We also received the brochure yesterday. Sent it back yesterday as well! Wink

It has been a two year process for us. Like many others, we tried to get in sophmore-Junior summer, but did not make it. Last year, Stanford had over 1200 applications for 240 - 250 spots.

We have also been to several of Coach Price's showcase/camps. (My '05 went to the summer allstar camp which is similar format to Stanford's. Both my '05 and '07 have been to KU's fall showcase) If you are unable to attend Stanford, then I would definitely recommend KU as a strong alternative. KU's camp is usually the first week in August, and like Stanford has a large number of other college coaches present and participating in the camp.
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Originally posted by norcalmom:
I just found this site......it has a WEALTH of GREAT information! I see many of you have a lot of experience with college recruiting and I'd appreciate some feedback, please.


My son (05 RHP/SS) has set a goal of playing D I baseball. His HS coach has encouraged him and says this is a reasonable goal.

Last summer, in addition to playing Legion ball, he was recruited for a team to go to the Baseball America Junior Olympic Tournament in Tucson. The team didn't do well, but it was a GREAT experience for my son!

He also attended the Stanford Baseball Camp in July. He enjoyed that experience, too.

As a result of this exposure, he's received letters from several colleges (Notre Dame, Air Force Academy, University of Hawaii, University of Arizona and a few others). We know these are just letters at this piont and don't mean much, except that he (and hundreds of others!)is on their radar screen (but it IS exciting to see my son's name on Notre Dame stationery!! Big Grin). He has sent transcripts and his baseball schedule to several schools, so we hope someone will be "watching him" this season.

He's looking forward to going to the Stanford Camp again this summer. My question is, should he go back Stanford's camp or is there a benefit in attending a DIFFERENT camp? Do you have any other suggestions?

Thanks, in advance, for your help!


that Notre Dame stationery is pretty nice...........my 2007 has 5 of those, and they get better each time.............did you get the "highly suggest you email" with it?

Good Luck, its kinda fun!!
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Anybody know how quick it fills up? Son got his brochure today, and we mailed a check back. Wonder since it's been a couple of weeks since the first invites went out if he even has a shot at getting in?



KellerDad,

Of course I have no idea how many, when sent, etc., etc. However, last year we did not receive the brochure until the latter part of January and the camp was pretty much full at that point. I would think in the early part of the month, you would have reason to be hopeful.

Oh, yes. Son causally mentions to me the other day, "Oh yeah, Dad. I forgot to tell you. I got an email confirmation for the Stanford camp."

BTW Keller, Son just told me that yesterday, so it has not been very long.
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They fill the camp by positions. There are many more spots for pitchers, for instance, than first baseman. Catchers also have an edge as they take quite a few. If you haven't applied yet, might think about express mailing the application and deposit and hope for the best.

It is a great baseball camp, and a wonderful opportunity to network with many college coaches. Of course, your son needs to have the grades to attend those schools. They usually have about three dozen college coaches in attendance, mostly from the east coast or smaller west coast schools.
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My wife was reading this thread last night and had a great insight I thought should be shared.
Is the Stanford Camp terrific. Not a doubt. But it is not a guarantee of anything. Our son got in as a last minute cancellation, because he was local...and we could afford the cost. Smile He played extremely well by all reports and got a very, very good written review. We mailed and faxed that written skill report and projection to every school where he had an interest(12 in all if I recall). He did receive interest from schools where he had no interest based on the Camp. For the schools in which he had great interest, only one responded in a lukewarm way to seeing him at Stanford. That coach seemed to find the things that were negative, not the positive. Luckily one coach saw him, believed in him and recruited him.
Two points to the post: (1) It only takes one coach to find you to make the camp worthwhile.(2)Even a good performance at Stanford is not "guarantee" of success; you still need to prove yourself and even with a solid performance, there will be coaches who will be looking to find why you can't make it rather than why you can.
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My son attended the Stanford Winter camp this past month plus the summer camp. I'm chuckling because we couldn't figure out why he started getting letters from other colleges! From the postings in this thread, I'm really glad we invested in the Stanford Camp. I have his Stanford All-Star Camp application in his portfolio waiting to be filled out...just phoned husband and said "Have the boy get on that application TODAY"...once again, priceless info and advice from all of you!
Just a suggestion for those attending... The Stanford AllStar Camp is an intense week of training and games. Make sure not to book other events too close to this one, especially important for pitchers. It's a great experience and IMO a must-do if invited. Cool

Tuzigoot - Depends on the player. Son attended after his sophomore year. However, most of the players there will have just finished their junior year.
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KellerDad, That is a very nice development. As you get closer to the dates of the camp or if your son needs anything while he is here, would be happy to try and help. Live within 10 minutes or so of Sunken Diamond and if we are not travelling, I usually go to the camp to see several of the coaches I have met in recent years.
I completely agree with the comments of RHP05. The camp is highly competitive and involves a lot of baseball. Last summer the camp/first games of the day started around 8am. Finished around 10pm each night. Need to come rested and know that you need to play your very best.
I'm bummed. I tried to explain to the Stanford Camp lady via e-mail that being at a gov't APO address meant mail delays and asked if she could FAX or e-mail the form as an attachment. She said no, but thought the mail wouldn't be a problem. Well, it's January 17th and still no sign of an application and it sounds to me like this thing may already now be full.
I may have to go 'up the ladder' NEXT year to make sure we at least have equal opportunity for enrollment. Gimme one of them new icons......
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What I don't understand is that some of you got the brochures/registration around Christmas time. I was told by the gal in the baseball office that they wouldn't go out until January sometime. I just got a brochure today (after getting on their mailing list back in November), January 19th (postmarked January 11th). Something doesn't jibe here. Not planning to attend this summer after all, but I'd like to know exactly how this works so a year from now I don't get left out in the cold.
This is just a guess, but since the NCAA rules prohibit having an "invitation only" camp, I bet Stanford sends out thier invites in batches. Those they really want to see go first, then the ones on thier watch list go next, and then the general public go last.

That way, when the general public get their forms, the camp is full, and it isn't officially an invitation only camp.

But, that's me using general logic and conspiracy theories. Big Grin My son got his about 2 weeks after the first reported ones, so I'm guessing he's in the second batch.
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Krakatoa,

You might want to go ahead and send in the app for this year. We had a similar experience last year. When we received the response indicating that we were put on a waiting list, there was also a player profile form that they requested be sent back.

I can't speak to this year, but last year I know that they received over 1200 applications for 250 or so spots. The vast majority of those slots are filled with players just completing their junior year. If there are rising juniors that make it, it is because they are solidly on someone's radar screen.

I also think the timing of Stanford's camp is very interesting. It's always the first week of July. But if the player is at Stanford on July 1, then they cannot be at home to receive calls from other schools which might have an interest. But, hey, those Stanford guys are supposed to be pretty sharp! duel
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K-dad and MT-dad, your guesses make sense to me. We're definitely not in the front ranks of Stanford's mailing list. I'll take your advice, send in the form and hopefully get a player profile. That may move us up into the second-batchers next time around.......

It's just real hard to get on anyone's radar from the other side of the planet. He needs to have a big summer this coming season.
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party That's why this is such a great site...I had posted acouple of weeks ago about being unsure of sending my son( 2oo7 RHP from NWIndiana) to the camp...after reading all your posts I was 95% sure he was going to go...when I mentioned it to my son he informed me that he had received an email asking if he would be attending....needless to say the check went out immediately...good luck to all attending and thanks for the insight
Looking forward to the experience however was a little concerned when my son's confirmation from Stanford stated: "The NCAA has told us that we must adjust how we are admitting student-athletes to the camp. Rather than bore you with all the details the bottom line is that you are ADMITTED"

I haven’t contacted the staff at this point. Does anyone know what adjustments were made? I was under the impression this is a “by invite only” camp. I hope this doesn’t mean the quality of the talent and instruction will be diluted.
Don't worry about the quality of the talent or instruction/coaching. Both will be very high level. They might get an occasional player there who isn't all that good, but I think it's safe to say that at least 90% of the participants have the ability to play at some level in college.

The coaching is very high level, so you should be glad to have an opportunity for your son to be one of the player's that are admitted.
jerseydad,

By rule, the NCAA does not allow invitation only camps. My son received a "second" confirmation with the same language. I don't know what adjustments were required, but am very happy that our plans were not compromised.

I would echo what catcherdad has said, the coaching and the experience will make it well worth while. And I understand that there are actually quite a few East Coast schools present, and not too many from the West coast.
There are many coaches who come from programs that are in the east. They have about 38 college coaches working there, with a support staff that includes trainers, stanford players, and non-college coaches that brings the total number of people working at the camp to something like 65 people. It works out to about 1 staffer for every 5 players, and one college coach per 8 players, in rough numbers.

If your son is an outstanding student and also very good baseball player, this camp can be a very beneficial experience for him. I would recommend that your son write to some of the coaches who'll be working the camp (they will send you a list ahead of time that lists everyone)who coach at schools he'd like to attend. My experience is they'll definitely take the time to meet your son and talk with him while there.
Must admit my eyes glazed over the words in the second confirmation letter...I didn't really comprehend the NCAA phrase. I'm glad somebody still has their feet on the ground! There is mention here of a list of colleges that will be represented at the camp. Would a snail mail letter to the coaches be better than an email?
Newcomer,

I'm sorry but I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you wanting to know about the list of coaches/schools that will be present? Or is there something else that you want to find out from the coaching staff?

If it is only the list you are looking for, I'm sure that information will be forthcoming with the additional materials that will be sent prior to the camp. If your question is something else, perhaps you could clarify a bit what you are looking for.
Just wondering if the list of colleges represented will be sent only request or whether it will come with the packet in May. I think the confusion of my question was more about whether we should be concerned about NCAA rules regarding these camps. It seems that if my son was invited (and has a place in the camp, thank goodness) then we're okay.
You will get a list of participating coaches that will be sent out in an informaiton packet later this spring. I wouldn't worry at all about any NCAA rules. They certainly know what they're doing, as do all the coaches who'll be helping out.

I would not bother them right now with a request for coaches information. Its way premature and you'll get it in a few months if your son is participating.
After my son sent back his questionnaire he got a long e-mail from coach Stotz about admissions to Stanford among other things. I was wondering if that was because my son told him he knew he'd have to improve on his GPA to get into Stanford or if that went out to everyone. If it was an individual note then I'm really impressed. If it wasn't I'm still impressed that he's making that much effort with kids he hasn't seen yet.
2deuce - Sounds really hopeful. I hope you get to go...it was one of the very best experiences my son had 5 years ago.

CADad - Everyone wonders if those emails go out to everyone?, many? or just those on their recruiting list? But nearly every Stanford player I have known got one just like it at some point..some later, some earlier (my son had not received it yet by this time in his junior year).

Good luck and have fun to both of you! Great venue, great weather, lots to do in the area. I hope you both get the chance. Wink
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From our experience Stanford has one of the most well oiled machines for sending out recruiting letters. Lots of follow-up letters including tips on how and when to take SAT's. They answer e-mails promptly and with good advice. I really doubt Coach Stotz has enough time to anwser all the e-mails personally so I suspect he has good student volunteers that help him. They cast a huge net nationwide and have quite a data base on lots of recruits. We were most impressed with their written recruiting info that was sent regularly. UC Irvine also had alot of info they regularly sent out.
Obviously you have to weed through it all and be cautiously optimistic that you really are on their list.
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After my son sent back his questionnaire he got a long e-mail from coach Stotz about admissions to Stanford among other things. I was wondering if that was because my son told him he knew he'd have to improve on his GPA to get into Stanford or if that went out to everyone. If it was an individual note then I'm really impressed. If it wasn't I'm still impressed that he's making that much effort with kids he hasn't seen yet.


My son received the same e-mail after submitting his questionaire. It was personalized and well written but I suspect it goes to all individuals that submit their questionaire or register for their camp. He has received several e-mails from Coach Stotz but I think they have all been standard e-mails. He has not received one saying that chances look good that he would get in to the Stanford Camp like Duece2 received.
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