Hey, general question here. Our coach has never submitted to Max preps and all of a sudden, there are game stats for the season. The problem is, my son's stats are grossly inaccurate!! I see other players stats not quite right too but my son's is way off. I'm thinking a parent has submitted this info. What can I do about this if the coach doesn't take action?
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From my experience you can take the max prep stats and throw them out the window!! Totally useless!! An example....a few Saturdays ago we got rained out for a DH.....the next day Max preps had the other team blowing us out 15-0 and 12-0. So it is apparent anyone can go in there and put whatever info they want.
TSmax posted:Hey, general question here. Our coach has never submitted to Max preps and all of a sudden, there are game stats for the season. The problem is, my son's stats are grossly inaccurate!! I see other players stats not quite right too but my son's is way off. I'm thinking a parent has submitted this info. What can I do about this if the coach doesn't take action?
When you say "grossly inaccurate", can you give some examples of the types of inaccuracies?
Exact same situation here, and yes, there are a few hits missing for my son and other players on the team as well. It should be evident who is keeping score at games (I-PAD/Tablet or old fashioned score book). On my son's team, players in the dugout take turn with the score book - generally the pitchers. Don't assume it's a parent unless you are 100% sure.
Important: A D1 coach who was recruiting my son questioned his Max Preps stats. The coach was curious why his number of at bats were lower than other starting players. My son hit over .330, but was a 4th outfielder underclassman on a team full of seniors. He had half of the at bats of a regular starter. My son did not end up committing to this D1 school, to the chagrin of the recruiting coordinator, partly because of the coach's concern over Max preps - there were other reasons of course, not just the Max Preps AB questions.
If a college head coach was questioning stats from Max Preps (mind you this was only at bats in my son's situation) he obviously had more concerns. Some head coaches who recruited my son simply asked what his batting average was, others were more concerned with watching more video, seeing him live again, or simply talking to his high school/travel coaches.
Bottom line, yes it's nice to have that shiny .412 batting average on Max Preps instead of .380 because some hits were missed, but the bottom line is that when it comes to recruiting, Max Preps usually means very little. I was also concerned about the Max Preps stuff for my son but through the recruiting process, I and more importantly he realized it didn't mean much at all.
Good Luck!
How are you going to prove the stats are wrong? With your own book? 
I wouldn’t waste a moment thinking about online stats. They don’t have anything to do with recruiting. People who know the game know how your son plays.
cabbagedad posted:TSmax posted:Hey, general question here. Our coach has never submitted to Max preps and all of a sudden, there are game stats for the season. The problem is, my son's stats are grossly inaccurate!! I see other players stats not quite right too but my son's is way off. I'm thinking a parent has submitted this info. What can I do about this if the coach doesn't take action?
When you say "grossly inaccurate", can you give some examples of the types of inaccuracies?
His batting average for one. He is not credited for several hits. HIs On base average is way low, RBI's inaccurate. It shows he has errors in games he either DH'd in or never played at all.
RJM posted:How are you going to prove the stats are wrong? With your own book?
Really? So coaches don't look at them?
WestCoastPapa posted:Exact same situation here, and yes, there are a few hits missing for my son and other players on the team as well. It should be evident who is keeping score at games (I-PAD/Tablet or old fashioned score book). On my son's team, players in the dugout take turn with the score book - generally the pitchers. Don't assume it's a parent unless you are 100% sure.
Important: A D1 coach who was recruiting my son questioned his Max Preps stats. The coach was curious why his number of at bats were lower than other starting players. My son hit over .330, but was a 4th outfielder underclassman on a team full of seniors. He had half of the at bats of a regular starter. My son did not end up committing to this D1 school, to the chagrin of the recruiting coordinator, partly because of the coach's concern over Max preps - there were other reasons of course, not just the Max Preps AB questions.
If a college head coach was questioning stats from Max Preps (mind you this was only at bats in my son's situation) he obviously had more concerns. Some head coaches who recruited my son simply asked what his batting average was, others were more concerned with watching more video, seeing him live again, or simply talking to his high school/travel coaches.
Bottom line, yes it's nice to have that shiny .412 batting average on Max Preps instead of .380 because some hits were missed, but the bottom line is that when it comes to recruiting, Max Preps usually means very little. I was also concerned about the Max Preps stuff for my son but through the recruiting process, I and more importantly he realized it didn't mean much at all.
Good Luck!
Same here. The pitchers also keep the stats. I keep stats only on my own son but others on the tam are keeping track of hits on everyone. So I compared mine with theirs and we are very close. I have him batting .328 with 11 RBI's Max Preps show .260 with 7 RBI's. I mean he hit a grand slam...that was 4 right there. Very wierd.
Gamechanger has the option to sync to Maxpreps So I would guess that it's the official team book/ipad stats on the maxpreps site.
I saw that you can become a "scorekeeper" on Maxpreps. If nobody entered them. I think a parent is doing this.
I was a coach and the stats can be manipulated by a reputable source (anyone who is willing to put them in on a consistent basis.) But I also had mine locked where I was the only source who could add/delete or change our stats. It did not affect record because we played a scrimmage and the other team or parent put the score in wrong and had them winning. It took me months to get it right because they were a reputable scorer. I do not think any D1 coach is seriously looking at Maxpreps. It is like reading Facebook and saying it is true. Anyone who knows Maxpreps knows that anyone can put scores or even add games unless the account is locked. Great resource but not accurate.
I would believe that someone related to the program has synced it to GameChanger if that is what the team used. But be careful. I almost sent a kid home for a parent blowing up about the stats we had versus what he had. The dad went on a tirade because we had his son for errors that he didn't think were his sons. Ball hits glove it is an error on infielder. He also questioned hitting because he gave his son a triple when it was an error on the second baseman and then the right fielder misplayed it off his glove and the center fielder threw it to the backstop. ROE with 2 bases on errors. No triple. I had to tell him that went out in t-ball.
And just as others have said if it is players keeping scorebook they could care less most of the time. They may have had your kid playing first base when he was playing left bench. Easier for them to keep it that way than figure out how to change it. My son hit .750 one tournament this summer when he was playing in another tournament 2 states away. I didn't argue. I'm sure the kid's parents that paid big money to be there and wear my kid's jersey were not happy.
You can become a scorekeeper but must be authorized by whoever oversees the school account to dump stats. The person of authority is usually either HC or AD or both. Yes, they will often put a trusted (or willing) parent in charge of keeping and loading stats. They don't let just anyone do it.
Your son may want to mention something to the coach but he better be in good standing with him and it better be hard factual evidence. From what you mentioned, the errors while DHing would be the safe line item to bring up if he chose to do so. The last thing he would want to say is that his dad's stats are different than what is on Maxpreps. Ask your son if the topic is ever brought up with the coach present. That would be the best opportunity... when someone else questions, he can chime in with clear factual discrepancies. Consider the possibility that the coach won't take well to an individual complaining about the individual stats posted for a team sport. Sure, it is easy to reason why it may matter but take reasonable precautions when considering if it is worth going there.
TSmax posted:RJM posted:How are you going to prove the stats are wrong? With your own book?
Really? So coaches don't look at them?
Most college coaches don't care about high school stats even if they're accurate.
I know for a fact that some HS coaches intentionally misrepresent stats on public sites. When I asked some about it the reply was simple... why give opponents any information they can use against you. If you know a kid is hot - went 6-8 last 2 games ... pitch around him. To be transparent ... I have coaches that are friends - my kids never played at the HS level.
I wouldn't worry about it.......I'm fairly confident that no college coach is looking at Maxpreps while recruiting players. They know (just as everyone else does) that those stats are likely inaccurate. No coach will recruit/sign a kid without seeing him play...and at that point, stats are meaningless. Coaches all have things they look for in a player....and stats isn't one of them
Even when accurate high school stats are stats in small numbers/sample size ...
Would you recruit the .267 hitter or the .333 hitter? What if ten of the .267 hitter’s outs were frozen ropes right at outfielders and ten of the .333 hitter’s hits were duck snorts within inches of a high school infielder’s glove.
In 75 at bats with different luck (ten duck snorts caught, ten frozen ropes falling in the gap) the .333 hitter would have hit .200. The .267 hitter would have hit .400
College coaches look at mechanics, metrics and their own eyeball test. Big stats (.450+) might cause a coach to take a look. But the player better look like a ball player when the coach shows up.
Don't worry about anything on MaxPreps... 'Stats' on there mean absolutely nothing...
cabbagedad posted:You can become a scorekeeper but must be authorized by whoever oversees the school account to dump stats. The person of authority is usually either HC or AD or both. Yes, they will often put a trusted (or willing) parent in charge of keeping and loading stats. They don't let just anyone do it.
Your son may want to mention something to the coach but he better be in good standing with him and it better be hard factual evidence. From what you mentioned, the errors while DHing would be the safe line item to bring up if he chose to do so. The last thing he would want to say is that his dad's stats are different than what is on Maxpreps. Ask your son if the topic is ever brought up with the coach present. That would be the best opportunity... when someone else questions, he can chime in with clear factual discrepancies. Consider the possibility that the coach won't take well to an individual complaining about the individual stats posted for a team sport. Sure, it is easy to reason why it may matter but take reasonable precautions when considering if it is worth going there.
Actually, anyone can submit. I guess if you submit 3 and nobody contests the info, then you are a "scorer."
Bolts-Coach-PR posted:Don't worry about anything on MaxPreps... 'Stats' on there mean absolutely nothing...
Thank you!
PitchingFan posted:I was a coach and the stats can be manipulated by a reputable source (anyone who is willing to put them in on a consistent basis.) But I also had mine locked where I was the only source who could add/delete or change our stats. It did not affect record because we played a scrimmage and the other team or parent put the score in wrong and had them winning. It took me months to get it right because they were a reputable scorer. I do not think any D1 coach is seriously looking at Maxpreps. It is like reading Facebook and saying it is true. Anyone who knows Maxpreps knows that anyone can put scores or even add games unless the account is locked. Great resource but not accurate.
I would believe that someone related to the program has synced it to GameChanger if that is what the team used. But be careful. I almost sent a kid home for a parent blowing up about the stats we had versus what he had. The dad went on a tirade because we had his son for errors that he didn't think were his sons. Ball hits glove it is an error on infielder. He also questioned hitting because he gave his son a triple when it was an error on the second baseman and then the right fielder misplayed it off his glove and the center fielder threw it to the backstop. ROE with 2 bases on errors. No triple. I had to tell him that went out in t-ball.
And just as others have said if it is players keeping scorebook they could care less most of the time. They may have had your kid playing first base when he was playing left bench. Easier for them to keep it that way than figure out how to change it. My son hit .750 one tournament this summer when he was playing in another tournament 2 states away. I didn't argue. I'm sure the kid's parents that paid big money to be there and wear my kid's jersey were not happy.
Oh my! What a fun job you have. I cannot imagine having to deal with parents on a day to day basis. If it's the dad I think it is, then he would do something like you described. Honestly, I always default to whatever they record in the dugout...regardless of whether or not I agree all of the time. My son is also very honest and will tell me if he thinks it was a hit or an error. I would never go yell at the coach. I did tell my son to go address it though, show him what we have, and the pother parents. He will see it's accurate. I'm sure he can see that my son is getting credited for errors on games that he DH'd.
