Hey, general question here. Our coach has never submitted to Max preps and all of a sudden, there are game stats for the season. The problem is, my son's stats are grossly inaccurate!! I see other players stats not quite right too but my son's is way off. I'm thinking a parent has submitted this info. What can I do about this if the coach doesn't take action?
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From my experience you can take the max prep stats and throw them out the window!! Totally useless!! An example....a few Saturdays ago we got rained out for a DH.....the next day Max preps had the other team blowing us out 15-0 and 12-0. So it is apparent anyone can go in there and put whatever info they want.
TSmax posted:Hey, general question here. Our coach has never submitted to Max preps and all of a sudden, there are game stats for the season. The problem is, my son's stats are grossly inaccurate!! I see other players stats not quite right too but my son's is way off. I'm thinking a parent has submitted this info. What can I do about this if the coach doesn't take action?
When you say "grossly inaccurate", can you give some examples of the types of inaccuracies?
Exact same situation here, and yes, there are a few hits missing for my son and other players on the team as well. It should be evident who is keeping score at games (I-PAD/Tablet or old fashioned score book). On my son's team, players in the dugout take turn with the score book - generally the pitchers. Don't assume it's a parent unless you are 100% sure.
Important: A D1 coach who was recruiting my son questioned his Max Preps stats. The coach was curious why his number of at bats were lower than other starting players. My son hit over .330, but was a 4th outfielder underclassman on a team full of seniors. He had half of the at bats of a regular starter. My son did not end up committing to this D1 school, to the chagrin of the recruiting coordinator, partly because of the coach's concern over Max preps - there were other reasons of course, not just the Max Preps AB questions.
If a college head coach was questioning stats from Max Preps (mind you this was only at bats in my son's situation) he obviously had more concerns. Some head coaches who recruited my son simply asked what his batting average was, others were more concerned with watching more video, seeing him live again, or simply talking to his high school/travel coaches.
Bottom line, yes it's nice to have that shiny .412 batting average on Max Preps instead of .380 because some hits were missed, but the bottom line is that when it comes to recruiting, Max Preps usually means very little. I was also concerned about the Max Preps stuff for my son but through the recruiting process, I and more importantly he realized it didn't mean much at all.
Good Luck!
How are you going to prove the stats are wrong? With your own book? 
I wouldn’t waste a moment thinking about online stats. They don’t have anything to do with recruiting. People who know the game know how your son plays.
cabbagedad posted:TSmax posted:Hey, general question here. Our coach has never submitted to Max preps and all of a sudden, there are game stats for the season. The problem is, my son's stats are grossly inaccurate!! I see other players stats not quite right too but my son's is way off. I'm thinking a parent has submitted this info. What can I do about this if the coach doesn't take action?
When you say "grossly inaccurate", can you give some examples of the types of inaccuracies?
His batting average for one. He is not credited for several hits. HIs On base average is way low, RBI's inaccurate. It shows he has errors in games he either DH'd in or never played at all.
RJM posted:How are you going to prove the stats are wrong? With your own book?
Really? So coaches don't look at them?
WestCoastPapa posted:Exact same situation here, and yes, there are a few hits missing for my son and other players on the team as well. It should be evident who is keeping score at games (I-PAD/Tablet or old fashioned score book). On my son's team, players in the dugout take turn with the score book - generally the pitchers. Don't assume it's a parent unless you are 100% sure.
Important: A D1 coach who was recruiting my son questioned his Max Preps stats. The coach was curious why his number of at bats were lower than other starting players. My son hit over .330, but was a 4th outfielder underclassman on a team full of seniors. He had half of the at bats of a regular starter. My son did not end up committing to this D1 school, to the chagrin of the recruiting coordinator, partly because of the coach's concern over Max preps - there were other reasons of course, not just the Max Preps AB questions.
If a college head coach was questioning stats from Max Preps (mind you this was only at bats in my son's situation) he obviously had more concerns. Some head coaches who recruited my son simply asked what his batting average was, others were more concerned with watching more video, seeing him live again, or simply talking to his high school/travel coaches.
Bottom line, yes it's nice to have that shiny .412 batting average on Max Preps instead of .380 because some hits were missed, but the bottom line is that when it comes to recruiting, Max Preps usually means very little. I was also concerned about the Max Preps stuff for my son but through the recruiting process, I and more importantly he realized it didn't mean much at all.
Good Luck!
Same here. The pitchers also keep the stats. I keep stats only on my own son but others on the tam are keeping track of hits on everyone. So I compared mine with theirs and we are very close. I have him batting .328 with 11 RBI's Max Preps show .260 with 7 RBI's. I mean he hit a grand slam...that was 4 right there. Very wierd.
Gamechanger has the option to sync to Maxpreps So I would guess that it's the official team book/ipad stats on the maxpreps site.
I saw that you can become a "scorekeeper" on Maxpreps. If nobody entered them. I think a parent is doing this.
I was a coach and the stats can be manipulated by a reputable source (anyone who is willing to put them in on a consistent basis.) But I also had mine locked where I was the only source who could add/delete or change our stats. It did not affect record because we played a scrimmage and the other team or parent put the score in wrong and had them winning. It took me months to get it right because they were a reputable scorer. I do not think any D1 coach is seriously looking at Maxpreps. It is like reading Facebook and saying it is true. Anyone who knows Maxpreps knows that anyone can put scores or even add games unless the account is locked. Great resource but not accurate.
I would believe that someone related to the program has synced it to GameChanger if that is what the team used. But be careful. I almost sent a kid home for a parent blowing up about the stats we had versus what he had. The dad went on a tirade because we had his son for errors that he didn't think were his sons. Ball hits glove it is an error on infielder. He also questioned hitting because he gave his son a triple when it was an error on the second baseman and then the right fielder misplayed it off his glove and the center fielder threw it to the backstop. ROE with 2 bases on errors. No triple. I had to tell him that went out in t-ball.
And just as others have said if it is players keeping scorebook they could care less most of the time. They may have had your kid playing first base when he was playing left bench. Easier for them to keep it that way than figure out how to change it. My son hit .750 one tournament this summer when he was playing in another tournament 2 states away. I didn't argue. I'm sure the kid's parents that paid big money to be there and wear my kid's jersey were not happy.
You can become a scorekeeper but must be authorized by whoever oversees the school account to dump stats. The person of authority is usually either HC or AD or both. Yes, they will often put a trusted (or willing) parent in charge of keeping and loading stats. They don't let just anyone do it.
Your son may want to mention something to the coach but he better be in good standing with him and it better be hard factual evidence. From what you mentioned, the errors while DHing would be the safe line item to bring up if he chose to do so. The last thing he would want to say is that his dad's stats are different than what is on Maxpreps. Ask your son if the topic is ever brought up with the coach present. That would be the best opportunity... when someone else questions, he can chime in with clear factual discrepancies. Consider the possibility that the coach won't take well to an individual complaining about the individual stats posted for a team sport. Sure, it is easy to reason why it may matter but take reasonable precautions when considering if it is worth going there.
TSmax posted:RJM posted:How are you going to prove the stats are wrong? With your own book?
Really? So coaches don't look at them?
Most college coaches don't care about high school stats even if they're accurate.
I know for a fact that some HS coaches intentionally misrepresent stats on public sites. When I asked some about it the reply was simple... why give opponents any information they can use against you. If you know a kid is hot - went 6-8 last 2 games ... pitch around him. To be transparent ... I have coaches that are friends - my kids never played at the HS level.
I wouldn't worry about it.......I'm fairly confident that no college coach is looking at Maxpreps while recruiting players. They know (just as everyone else does) that those stats are likely inaccurate. No coach will recruit/sign a kid without seeing him play...and at that point, stats are meaningless. Coaches all have things they look for in a player....and stats isn't one of them
Even when accurate high school stats are stats in small numbers/sample size ...
Would you recruit the .267 hitter or the .333 hitter? What if ten of the .267 hitter’s outs were frozen ropes right at outfielders and ten of the .333 hitter’s hits were duck snorts within inches of a high school infielder’s glove.
In 75 at bats with different luck (ten duck snorts caught, ten frozen ropes falling in the gap) the .333 hitter would have hit .200. The .267 hitter would have hit .400
College coaches look at mechanics, metrics and their own eyeball test. Big stats (.450+) might cause a coach to take a look. But the player better look like a ball player when the coach shows up.
Don't worry about anything on MaxPreps... 'Stats' on there mean absolutely nothing...
cabbagedad posted:You can become a scorekeeper but must be authorized by whoever oversees the school account to dump stats. The person of authority is usually either HC or AD or both. Yes, they will often put a trusted (or willing) parent in charge of keeping and loading stats. They don't let just anyone do it.
Your son may want to mention something to the coach but he better be in good standing with him and it better be hard factual evidence. From what you mentioned, the errors while DHing would be the safe line item to bring up if he chose to do so. The last thing he would want to say is that his dad's stats are different than what is on Maxpreps. Ask your son if the topic is ever brought up with the coach present. That would be the best opportunity... when someone else questions, he can chime in with clear factual discrepancies. Consider the possibility that the coach won't take well to an individual complaining about the individual stats posted for a team sport. Sure, it is easy to reason why it may matter but take reasonable precautions when considering if it is worth going there.
Actually, anyone can submit. I guess if you submit 3 and nobody contests the info, then you are a "scorer."
Bolts-Coach-PR posted:Don't worry about anything on MaxPreps... 'Stats' on there mean absolutely nothing...
Thank you!
PitchingFan posted:I was a coach and the stats can be manipulated by a reputable source (anyone who is willing to put them in on a consistent basis.) But I also had mine locked where I was the only source who could add/delete or change our stats. It did not affect record because we played a scrimmage and the other team or parent put the score in wrong and had them winning. It took me months to get it right because they were a reputable scorer. I do not think any D1 coach is seriously looking at Maxpreps. It is like reading Facebook and saying it is true. Anyone who knows Maxpreps knows that anyone can put scores or even add games unless the account is locked. Great resource but not accurate.
I would believe that someone related to the program has synced it to GameChanger if that is what the team used. But be careful. I almost sent a kid home for a parent blowing up about the stats we had versus what he had. The dad went on a tirade because we had his son for errors that he didn't think were his sons. Ball hits glove it is an error on infielder. He also questioned hitting because he gave his son a triple when it was an error on the second baseman and then the right fielder misplayed it off his glove and the center fielder threw it to the backstop. ROE with 2 bases on errors. No triple. I had to tell him that went out in t-ball.
And just as others have said if it is players keeping scorebook they could care less most of the time. They may have had your kid playing first base when he was playing left bench. Easier for them to keep it that way than figure out how to change it. My son hit .750 one tournament this summer when he was playing in another tournament 2 states away. I didn't argue. I'm sure the kid's parents that paid big money to be there and wear my kid's jersey were not happy.
Oh my! What a fun job you have. I cannot imagine having to deal with parents on a day to day basis. If it's the dad I think it is, then he would do something like you described. Honestly, I always default to whatever they record in the dugout...regardless of whether or not I agree all of the time. My son is also very honest and will tell me if he thinks it was a hit or an error. I would never go yell at the coach. I did tell my son to go address it though, show him what we have, and the pother parents. He will see it's accurate. I'm sure he can see that my son is getting credited for errors on games that he DH'd.
Thank you to everyone who responded. It was very helpful! Now I'm not so worried about it. : )
The only people who check it are parents. Don't waste your energy trying to fix it. It has nearly zero significance. If it mattered it would not have been allowed to get so far out of whack someone would have monitored it if it meant anything.
I think that numbers do matter, and I think that they are looked at. If they are wrong I do not think that a college coach would stop recruiting based on information that was incorrect. But, when it comes to breaking records, or exceptional performances, year over year improvement etc. stats matter a lot. No, I don't think that stats are the only thing that matter it's just part of the picture. Check the bio for every college USA roster, you will see high school stats and accolades.
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@CTXHSbaseball Look at the numbers being put up by @baty_brett this season for @LTCavBaseball. Baty is @TexasBaseball signee; possible day 1 call in this years @MLB draft 68 AB 44 H .677 BA 50 R 40 RBI 3-2B 1-3B 15 HR 30 BB 6 K 8 SB 1.382 SLG% 2.127 OPS
@nextlevelbb If I’m a parent of a good player and our schools gamechanger stats aren’t public...somebody better give me a good explanation.
If Max preps stats are incorrect there needs to be a correct version somewhere. For our school, our records are kept on GameChanger (that are automatically updated to MaxPreps). The stats are not perfect, they are kept by people (managers, trusted parents) but the overall picture is definitely there.
I would never argue a specific stat or play (even when I have disagreed). It will all come together in the end for the final season/career stats.
My daughter's softball team uses GameChanger and stats autoloaded to MaxPreps. First year doing so. The girls who don't play operate GameChanger. Every time a girl reaches on a fielder's choice, they score it as a hit, as they don't know any better. Stats are a joke. Except my daughter, as she hasn't benefitted from one of those yet 
mamabb0304 posted:I think that numbers do matter, and I think that they are looked at. If they are wrong I do not think that a college coach would stop recruiting based on information that was incorrect. But, when it comes to breaking records, or exceptional performances, year over year improvement etc. stats matter a lot. No, I don't think that stats are the only thing that matter it's just part of the picture. Check the bio for every college USA roster, you will see high school stats and accolades.
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@PWbaseball2019 Season in review:
@Jackhattrup_14 10 starts. 60 innings. 10 earned runs. 81 strikeouts. 13 walks. 1.17 ERA. .87 WHIP. 69% strikes. Silly numbers. If this is it for the West senior, you’re looking at the best pitcher in program history. Take it from here@BaylorBaseball pic.twitter.com/ODS73qZJku@CTXHSbaseball Look at the numbers being put up by
@baty_brett this season for@LTCavBaseball. Baty is@TexasBaseball signee; possible day 1 call in this years@MLB draft 68 AB 44 H .677 BA 50 R 40 RBI 3-2B 1-3B 15 HR 30 BB 6 K 8 SB 1.382 SLG% 2.127 OPSMore@nextlevelbb If I’m a parent of a good player and our schools gamechanger stats aren’t public...somebody better give me a good explanation.
If Max preps stats are incorrect there needs to be a correct version somewhere. For our school, our records are kept on GameChanger (that are automatically updated to MaxPreps). The stats are not perfect, they are kept by people (managers, trusted parents) but the overall picture is definitely there.
I would never argue a specific stat or play (even when I have disagreed). It will all come together in the end for the final season/career stats.
You see stats in their bio's because the person putting the media guide/roster together has nothing else to say about a kid. Nobody cares if he was an honor roll student in HS, if they were in the French Club or if he baby sat for his younger cousins on the weekend. They put baseball stats because it's a baseball media guide/program and gives people something to read between innings. College coaches don't care about stats. Heck, a lot of kids are being recruited before they've ever played a varsity game. I'm fairly certain a kid hitting .400 on his JV team won't have one college coach knocking on his door. Coaches recruit based on what they see with their eyes....not what they read in a box score. The only people that care about HS stats are the players themselves (they are used for all-league/all-state honors) but mostly the parents
My son had a .000 era his sophomore year but no one cared except him, a few of his teammates, and us as parents. Most questioned it more than accepted it. It will be on his college bio I am sure but not a big deal in recruiting. The only plus is it will be a school, state, and national record for all of eternity. Something he can tell his grandkids about. But if he doesn't produce next year, his college coach will not care what he did as a sophomore.
i know they know it because in the recruiting process they told him they expected the same for four years.
It's disturbing to see all of his passion and hard work being represented with inaccuracies. He is heading into his senior year and has no offers yet. It's hard to get coaches' attention.
Nobody cares about high school stats. Nobody.
Hard work towards improving athleticism & measureables will result in finding the correct fit for college in terms of conference, division, etc
a 6.4 runner with a 90+ arm will find a D1 school to play for if his grades are great and he plays well when the college coaches are scouting him, even if he hits .125 for his high school
a 8.4 runner with a 71 arm is going to find it much tougher to find a place to play in college, even if he hit .625 in high school
Somewhere in the middle is most high school kids.
Nobody cares about high school stats. Nobody. (Except maybe Grandma. And Dad)
TSmax posted:It's disturbing to see all of his passion and hard work being represented with inaccuracies. He is heading into his senior year and has no offers yet. It's hard to get coaches' attention.
There is literally nothing in terms of stats that will get coaches' attention.
What is his GPA? What is his 60 time? How hard does he throw? What is his Exit Velo? You don't have to answer me here, but those are the numbers that will garner attention
I'm in the "HS stats don't matter camp". There is too much variability in talent level, not to mention just bad/incorrect score keeping.
Another example is home runs. You'd think that hitting a bunch of dingers would make things pretty clear that a kid is mashing. I've seen some local kids putting up big HR numbers so just for kicks I went on google maps and saw that both school fields were 270' down the line and 310' in the alleys and CF. A HR at these fields is a likely fly ball out in every park my son (and most HS kids) play at. Of course it's possible the kid is clearing the fence by 50', but the point is that the HR stat alone doesn't tell you anything.
The only high school stats my son was asked by a college coach was his unweighted GPA and SAT scores.
TSmax posted:It's disturbing to see all of his passion and hard work being represented with inaccuracies. He is heading into his senior year and has no offers yet. It's hard to get coaches' attention.
Disturbing? That's a bit dramatic considering we're talking about his batting average.
If HS stats mattered to anybody but the players and parents there wouldn't be a 15 year old stat girl in the dugout keeping the book. The lack of offers has nothing to do with some weird parent entering stats onto a football first website.
I tend to agree about the maxpreps hs stats. Would you guys say the same thing about perfect game game stats? Would you say these hold the same merit (or lack of) than hs maxprep stats?
$tinky posted:I tend to agree about the maxpreps hs stats. Would you guys say the same thing about perfect game game stats? Would you say these hold the same merit (or lack of) than hs maxprep stats?
Some PG tournaments have close to 300 teams, many of which are not very good or deep. Even when playing better teams you might face the #6 pitcher in pool play. And if you are on a less competitive team you may never see a better than average pitcher. So what does going 2 for 4 in any given game say? Or hitting .500 for the tournament if you never made it out of pool play (and never saw decent pitching)? And the difference between .250 and .400 for a tournament might be a bloop single or a line drive that is caught.
On the other hand, I think a more complete body of work over multiple tournaments can paint a picture that is telling. If a player was in 6 tournaments and had very few at-bats in most (i.e., not much playing time), or a low batting average in each, I think that does tell you something. Conversely, a kid getting lots of extra-base hits with lots of at-bats and high average in multiple tournaments also paints a useful picture.
$tinky posted:I tend to agree about the maxpreps hs stats. Would you guys say the same thing about perfect game game stats? Would you say these hold the same merit (or lack of) than hs maxprep stats?
Same as HS....nothing. They put 200+ kids on the all-tourney team at every event. Anyone who hits over .333 gets their name on the list. Why? To make parents happy so they can tell their friends "my son made the all tourney team at a big tourney in Georgia" Again, coaches, scouts, etc don't care about stats AT ALL....they care what they see on the field, not in a box score or stat sheet.
Buckeye 2015 posted:$tinky posted:I tend to agree about the maxpreps hs stats. Would you guys say the same thing about perfect game game stats? Would you say these hold the same merit (or lack of) than hs maxprep stats?
Same as HS....nothing. They put 200+ kids on the all-tourney team at every event. Anyone who hits over .333 gets their name on the list. Why? To make parents happy so they can tell their friends "my son made the all tourney team at a big tourney in Georgia"
When our team played there for the first time I think we were 12. It was at lakepoint so every pitch was gunned. Everyone of our players was throwing about 5mph higher than what they had thrown when we gunned them. I would not be surprised if that is inflated to make parents talk as well.
A UC coach addressed a group of our teams’ parents at a showcase last summer. He said the only high school stats he looked at were # of walks and # of strikeouts. He said those were the only statistics he trusted the parent scorekeepers or pitchers to get right.
Buckeye 2015 posted:$tinky posted:I tend to agree about the maxpreps hs stats. Would you guys say the same thing about perfect game game stats? Would you say these hold the same merit (or lack of) than hs maxprep stats?
Same as HS....nothing. They put 200+ kids on the all-tourney team at every event. Anyone who hits over .333 gets their name on the list. Why? To make parents happy so they can tell their friends "my son made the all tourney team at a big tourney in Georgia"
I understand your thought pattern but you do understand there are only 17 guys in the Baseball Hall of Fame who batted .333 or better. So what should be the number for making all-tournament? For the bigger tournaments there is the all-tournament and best of the tournament which has the top 10 or so players overall. Not trying to start an argument but .333 is not bad batting and at the WWBA's that is 200 kids out of 6,000 kids. Which is 3%. Not bad in my opinion.
$tinky posted:Buckeye 2015 posted:$tinky posted:I tend to agree about the maxpreps hs stats. Would you guys say the same thing about perfect game game stats? Would you say these hold the same merit (or lack of) than hs maxprep stats?
Same as HS....nothing. They put 200+ kids on the all-tourney team at every event. Anyone who hits over .333 gets their name on the list. Why? To make parents happy so they can tell their friends "my son made the all tourney team at a big tourney in Georgia"
When our team played there for the first time I think we were 12. It was at lakepoint so every pitch was gunned. Everyone of our players was throwing about 5mph higher than what they had thrown when we gunned them. I would not be surprised if that is inflated to make parents talk as well.
My son's speed has always been right in line on an average with what he has thrown everywhere else and the coach's guns around us. Your son's team must be studs to throw 60' at 12 on a consistent basis because Lakepoint only has the 60/90 mounds. I'm impressed.
It’s funny and good to hear stats don’t matter in a sport constantly talking about stats. As our son gets older, I see why a coach wouldn’t necessarily look at stats. Nobody wants to play with a guy who has the best BA but pouts the first second it’s not going his way. It’s baseball, most of the time it’s not going to go your way. Interesting, the UC coach says the only stat he trusts is BB and K. GTK
