Stephen Strasburg may not get signed

even though strauburg is a potential franchise pitcher there is a silver lining for the nationals if they don't sign him. if a first round player doesn't sign then that team will be given a draft pick in next years draft. in the national's case that would be pick 1a. they could very easily have the first 2 picks in next years draft.

If I was the Nationals' owner I would instruct the GM to tell Borass that if Strasburg does not sign then the Nationals (who are 99.9% likely to have the #1 AND #2 pick next year) will re-pick Strasburg again with the first pick and will be offering only 5 mill. This would burn the Nationals some but it REALLY would burn Borass knowing that he is being called out with an "all in" move which means Strasburg wouldn't make a dime or pitch in the majors for a min of 3 years. The Nationals hold the cards, they need to play them.

I like that thinking Coach. I don't think it'll happen, but I like that thinking. Really make Bora$$ mad!

Signed, sealed, delivered and he belongs to the Nats for 15.67M.

Yep, it's official. Let's see about Ackley and everyone else now.

Word is Ackley signed for $9.5 million

any word on the rangers and purke? word is they were still one million apart this afternoon.

Purke and the Rangers apparently failed to reach an agreement and he's enrolled at TCU for the fall.

Congrats to the Nats and Strasburg. Hope Boras chokes on his percentage. Superagents led by him are killing the game, and are the reason I pay $7 for a beer and $5 for a hotdog. Something has to change.

Boras = devil

Wayne,
Isn't it the other way around? We spectators willingly (yep, willingly; we don't boycott) pay the ticket, beer and food prices, and that allows the owners to pay the best players a lot of money. High powered agents can't get big money for athletes who play less-marketable sports, such as professional lacrosse, because the revenue base is insufficient. Individual sports like tennis and golf don't have set salaries at all, but the top players still make a lot of prize money--because what they do is very entertaining, and so carries value.

It's us spectators, spending in person or by proxy through television and merchandise revenue, who enable the high salaries and tournament purses.

3FG, you are a wise man, and your NCAA rule advice is stuff that I literally take notes on for reference. You're probably right here, as well. I enjoy pro baseball, and try to support it with my wallet as well as my mouth in this tough economy. I hope it never gets to the point where fell the need to boycott (ugly word) to get the prices down.

I agree with 3FG....you don't pay so much for a ticket and a beer because of the cost of player's salaries. You pay that much because you are willing to pay that much. The market (demand for each level of ticket) sets the prices. Just like any other ticket based events, they have to weigh selling fewer more expensive tickets against selling a lot of cheaper tickets. I'm sure they have a ticket pricing model which is designed to maximize ticket revenue. And I'm also sure the model doesn't factor in payroll. I think this is a popular misconception.

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Observations...

- The late sign of Strasburg is completely predictable given what it would have done to the bigger signing market had he signed early. This was reflected in the fact that so many players were waiting to see what he was going to do and trying to use it to set their own demands by the new market he had set.

- This was a team effort....a conspiracy...a collusion...In the end, working by collusion/conspiracy everybody involved win's...Nationals get their man...Strasburg gets his $...Boras gets his ego...MLB's larger salary structure was not broken for the most part..at least for this year.

- I am in the minority...if you have proven world class talent (magic), if you can make people watch and pay, then you should get what revenue you've helped create. It is your atheltic magic that mkes it happen

- However giving this much $ to unproven players?....Particularly in a venue like baseball where the relationship between young talent and staring at a MLB level is so inconsistent...is simply gambling, and the owners obviously have it if they are willing to put it out there for unproven talent.

- While I completely understand the sentiment...I find the the irony here very great...no matter how much we rant and rave...if it were OUR SON we might understand the inequities...but we'd be doing the exact same thing as Stasburg's, looking for the best negotiator we could, pushing for as much money as we could get. I may be a cynic but if Boras watched your son, made contact, and wanted to represent your son, would you turn him down? Ask him to negotiate for less? Put $ back on the table?
Reject the system?

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Originally posted by observer44:
I may be a cynic but if Boras watched your son, made contact, and wanted to represent your son, would you turn him down?

More than a few have turned down the devil Mr. Boras.

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Originally posted by Coach From The Southeast:
If I was the Nationals' owner I would instruct the GM to tell Borass that if Strasburg does not sign then the Nationals (who are 99.9% likely to have the #1 AND #2 pick next year) will re-pick Strasburg again with the first pick and will be offering only 5 mill. This would burn the Nationals some but it REALLY would burn Borass knowing that he is being called out with an "all in" move which means Strasburg wouldn't make a dime or pitch in the majors for a min of 3 years. The Nationals hold the cards, they need to play them.

Coach, what you are proposing is not permissible.
In order for any team to fail to sign a player and then redraft the same player the following year, the team needs to have the written agreement/waiver by the player to allow such conduct.
It really is hard for me to understand why posters are so angry and outraged at the players or their agents. These numbers are rounding errors for MLB which brings in over $6,000,000,000 annually.
If you want to be outraged, pick the Pirates. They annually do the salary dump of their best players.
They then collect many millions of the MLB luxury tax, which they are not required to invest in player salaries. MLB does not have a minimum salary cap requirement. So, teams like the Pirates play in publicly funded ballparks like PNC, fail to turn a winner annually, dump any and all salaries, get a luxury tax reward by MLB, probably turn a fair profit as a result, and charge the fans, who are already paying for the ball park through their taxes and bonds, to pay to watch a non-competitive team.
If you have ever attempted to negotiate anything with MLB on behalf of a player, you quickly learn these people have a monopoly, they have all the power and leverage, and they know it.
These players in the draft are not driving up the costs of watching baseball in ways that are being suggested in this thread. Heck, MLB imposed the draft to control teams competing for players.
Can you imagine what Strassberg would have received if the Yankees/Red Sox, Dodgers and Angels were competing for him? The draftees are working within the system MLB imposed to control itself.
Why blame the players for getting what they can within the system MLB imposed on them?

infielddad,
I am glad that you are here to explain how the all powerful MLB does business.

I am delighted that Mr. Strasburg is now a "NAT"!

Honestly I thought it would never happen... I just didn't think the Nationals would come off the jingle...

Great for the young man! He's earned it as the #1 pick.

What is reasonable is what two willing parties agree to, so .... the signing amount is reasonable.

Like several have mentioned, I think the Nationals are taking a chance - what if Stephen Strasburg never materializes at the Pro level?

On the other hand, if he advances, which I think & hope he will, it will be great for the Nationals. He's obviously needed.

You don't have to spend a fortune at Nat's stadium. I went last week, bought $10.00 seats that were great, parked at RFK stadium for free and took the shuttle in and stayed away from the alcohol. It was a budget night at the park and it was excellent.

Glad for everyone involved that Strasburg is signed, especially the fans....

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In order for any team to fail to sign a player and then redraft the same player the following year, the team needs to have the written agreement/waiver by the player to allow such conduct.

A scout got my son to sign such a waiver. I'm now looking into somehow getting this undone.

like i always say,sometimes.

a big business disquised, as a little boys dream.

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A little boy's dream...






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woodrow

i see youve found the bb gun, but i'm looking for my other gun...........the one i shoot the breeze with.

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Possibly this?



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Originally posted by infielddad:
It really is hard for me to understand why posters are so angry and outraged at the players or their agents.

Where did I say that I was mad or pizzed off? I just stating what I would do, making light of the situation, but I guess I couldn't do that.

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During my years [17] of operating the Area Code games, we averaged $35 million in signing bonus for the high school players, families and agents.

The agents only paid $250.00 and several tired to be parents at $6.00 ticket. There are many stories regarding agents, pro scouts and college coaches.

If an organization needs to have a "high profile" player, then take the money and play 'hard'.

Do not forget that Uncle Sam collects 40%.


Bob Williams
Goodwill Series International Baseball [1983-2009]

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Originally posted by spizzlepop:

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In order for any team to fail to sign a player and then redraft the same player the following year, the team needs to have the written agreement/waiver by the player to allow such conduct.

A scout got my son to sign such a waiver. I'm now looking into somehow getting this undone.

Just wondering why you would want the waiver undone? Unless there were ugly negotiations and you really don't want the same team drafting him again, I would think it would be a good thing.

Baltimore drafted my son twice because of the waiver.

I think it was $15 for the little people this year.