Swing Eval

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Originally posted by John YaYa:

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Originally posted by DenJake:
I saw a couple of mentions about his head and looking at the swing frame by frame you can really see the head tilt. I would guess he doesnt realize he is doing that. I will show him the video this evening and freeze the video at contact so he can easily see what he is doing wrong.

His head tilt is normal and is the result of hitting a ball that's lower down in the strike zone.

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He would show more extension after the POC if he was swinging a wood bat or a -3 bat.

He could swing a 20 pound sledge or a wiffle bat and the same muscles would be used and the swing would look similar.

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Originally posted by powertoallfields:
He could swing a 20 pound sledge or a wiffle bat and the same muscles would be used and the swing would look similar.

Your understanding of physics, and concepts like centrifugal force, is clearly lacking.

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Originally posted by powertoallfields:

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Originally posted by John YaYa:

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Originally posted by DenJake:
I saw a couple of mentions about his head and looking at the swing frame by frame you can really see the head tilt. I would guess he doesnt realize he is doing that. I will show him the video this evening and freeze the video at contact so he can easily see what he is doing wrong.

His head tilt is normal and is the result of hitting a ball that's lower down in the strike zone.

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It's hard to tilt the shoulders as he does, to hit the low pitch, and not tilt the head some.

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His head tilt is normal and is the result of hitting a ball that's lower down in the strike zone.

Do you have any clips of a MLB player doing that?

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Your understanding of physics, and concepts like centrifugal force, is clearly lacking.

I could say the same about your understanding of swinging a bat, but I won't.

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I would ignore the comments about extension or lack thereof.

He is literally "PULLING" the ball across his body and that swing will not work as he moves up. There is simply not enough ability to adjust to good breaking pitches.

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Originally posted by powertoallfields:
He is literally "PULLING" the ball across his body and that swing will not work as he moves up. There is simply not enough ability to adjust to good breaking pitches.

Do you mean pulling the bat (not the ball)?

So what should he be doing?

Extending more at the point of contact rather than having his elbow bent 90 degrees?

Head tilt on the low pitch is normal, it must be achieved or he will run out of barrel after contact.

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Originally posted by powertoallfields:
Do you have any clips of a MLB player doing that?

My initial reaction after watching the video was that he isnt "whipping " the bat thru the zone ..but rather pulling it sort of like powertoallfields mentioned . That is why i thought it might be best to change his starting point to get maximum use of his arms and upper body . Otherwise he might get into the habit of " casting out " with the bat . Needs to gain more " momentum " by having hands starting out closer to shoulder instead of away from body and develop a little bit of a loading mechanism . I believe this will also help in keeping his head on the ball longer . JMO

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Originally posted by John YaYa:

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Originally posted by powertoallfields:
Do you have any clips of a MLB player doing that?

The kid is tilting his head even before the ball is tossed and these tosses are thigh high. Your photo is of a ball that is probably a slow breaking pitch that will be below the knees at contact and he is well out in front of the pitch. I would say he was fooled on this pitch since he doesn't need to tilt to hit this pitch. This photo reminds me of how Adam Dunn swings. If he wasn't so big and strong, he wouldn't even be in the Minors, too many strike outs and for the reason I gave. He has trouble making adjustments to off speed, but they kind of let that stuff slide if you can hit 30 plus HRs. But, hey, it's just my opinion.

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Originally posted by John YaYa:

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Originally posted by powertoallfields:
He is literally "PULLING" the ball across his body and that swing will not work as he moves up. There is simply not enough ability to adjust to good breaking pitches.

Do you mean pulling the bat (not the ball)?

So what should he be doing?

Extending more at the point of contact rather than having his elbow bent 90 degrees?

The movement with the hands and arms to the ball is a linear move. If you were to set up cones at all 4 infield positions you should be able to throw the bat and come very close to each cone. There is no way this boy can do that at the moment. When the hands leave the bat, they should be pointing at the target. Rotation and the weight of the bathead will pull the bat the rest of the way around on a regular swing.

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Originally posted by Mr. Nobody:
My initial reaction after watching the video was that he isnt "whipping " the bat thru the zone ..but rather pulling it sort of like powertoallfields mentioned . That is why i thought it might be best to change his starting point to get maximum use of his arms and upper body . Otherwise he might get into the habit of " casting out " with the bat . Needs to gain more " momentum " by having hands starting out closer to shoulder instead of away from body and develop a little bit of a loading mechanism . I believe this will also help in keeping his head on the ball longer . JMO

I agree with the assesment and it would be trial and error with what you propose and it may take some tweeking along the way, but I can see how it would make a quick improvement.

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Originally posted by powertoallfields:
The movement with the hands and arms to the ball is a linear move.

Please show me video of a major league hitter that demonstrates this linear move.

take a look at Ichiro's swing

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Originally posted by John YaYa:

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Originally posted by powertoallfields:
The movement with the hands and arms to the ball is a linear move.

Please show me video of a major league hitter that demonstrates this linear move.

Every single one!

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Originally posted by Mr. Nobody:
take a look at Ichiro's swing

Everyone know's Ichiro's different; that he slaps the ball because he's a lefty with tremendous foot speed.

How about a regular player who's not a slap hitter.

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Originally posted by powertoallfields:

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Originally posted by John YaYa:

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Originally posted by powertoallfields:
The movement with the hands and arms to the ball is a linear move.

Please show me video of a major league hitter that demonstrates this linear move.

Every single one!

Please show me a video that demonstrates what you mean..

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Originally posted by John YaYa:

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Originally posted by powertoallfields:

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Originally posted by John YaYa:

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Originally posted by powertoallfields:
The movement with the hands and arms to the ball is a linear move.

Please show me video of a major league hitter that demonstrates this linear move.

Every single one!

Please show me a video that demonstrates what you mean..

http://www.recruit.hittingillustrated.com/RunningStart.htm


Watch the direction of the hands as the knob points at the ball. As the upper body comes around with the hands behind the rear shoulder, the hands will go in a straight line as they take the sweetspot to the ball.