Extension is caused by the unloading of the body and the top hand. After contact, the unloading of the top hand will make it appear the hands were making a circle, when in fact, they weren't. The analogy of "coming off of the Merry-go-round" is very good for what actually happens.
I agree with powertoallfields assessment on this kids swing as I usually do. I also see how the left wrist becomes uncocked right from the get go and he straightens out his front arm, therfore he can't maintain lead arm extension the proper way through the swing. He definitely doesn't finish the swing or swing through contact, there is some bat drag there too, most of these things are typical of a kid this age. He doesn't get separation either. His hands are activitated too soon, he needs to let the hands go for the ride and let the hips lead the way. My 2 cents.
Coach W
Coach W
quote:Power, only gurus do such things...
I'm ready to go to the mountain top, LOL! Can't afford a trip to Louisiana!
quote:Originally posted by BlueDog:
Power, the kid in the video is loading his weight back, then, shifting his weight forward....It's all going together, top half and bottom half...It's going back together, then forward together...This is dead hands hitting....quote:He doesn't get separation either. His hands are activitated too soon, he needs to let the hands go for the ride and let the hips lead the way. My 2 cents.
This is a good two cents worth....Patrick W. is correct, IMO....The way to correct this is to learn how to sequence better....His body is not synching because the bottom half doesn't get ahead of the top half....This is preventing a late load of the hands which is what he needs....
A little help with the sequencing.... How much further ahead should the lower half be then the top half. I have seen some kids take a step before pitcher even release the ball and it seems like they have no momentum. (assuming you are not recommending that) Is the problem that his hands are already set from the start of the swing and maybe if he had is hands unloaded he could step and as he steps brings hands back and then start swing after hands get loaded or does he just need to start his step earlier and keeps hands back???
quote:Originally posted by BlueDog:
DenJake, it's about finding a pattern in your son's body movement that will get him in synch...
Keep in mind, if you are gonna help him, you need to understand how weight shift should work......The weight begins a shift during the stride and continues shifting throughout the swing process....The hands must load during weight shift 'cause the weight never stops shifting...This is what gets and keeps the bottom half ahead of the top half....
This clip shows it...Just watch the hips over and over...
Blue,
That is a very good clip to show what you are talking about. If you look at his front shoulder to tricep, you will see his torso actually leave them behind. That will not happen unless your hands are still loading as you plant your front heel. If your hands are already back, they will start to come forward along with your torso (no cusp).
Great shot of Wrigt. Thanks. Incredible amount of torque. Lots of pelvic loading going on!
That video was great and I think I am understanding what you are talking about.
How can I post a bmp image...
I have a bmp from the first soft toss swing that shows his hands are back (loaded) and front foot about 2 inch from the ground. So at that point it appears his hands start to go forward. What we would be looking for is for that foot to plant while the hands are still loaded then release once the foot touches. (Also have a game shot)
How can I post a bmp image...
I have a bmp from the first soft toss swing that shows his hands are back (loaded) and front foot about 2 inch from the ground. So at that point it appears his hands start to go forward. What we would be looking for is for that foot to plant while the hands are still loaded then release once the foot touches. (Also have a game shot)
quote:Originally posted by powertoallfields:
Watch the direction of the hands as the knob points at the ball. As the upper body comes around with the hands behind the rear shoulder, the hands will go in a straight line as they take the sweetspot to the ball.
If you view this from above, the hands clearly do not move in a straight line.
Den,
To post an image here's what I do.
Go to
http://tinypic.com/?t=postupload
Click upload (top right area of page)
Then click browse.
Locate the picture that is on your computer.
Click that picture and the properties will move to the bar beside the browse button.
Go down and click the "upload now" button.
Once the picture is loaded it will appear on the screen.
Now, right click on the image and a box will pop up.
Highlight the address.
Then right click on the address and options will pop up. Click on "copy".
Then come to this site and when you go into "post reply" there is an icon that when you roll across it, it says "display image."
Click on that.
A box will come up.
Right click in that box.
Select "paste".
You now have pasted the address of your picture. Then just hit "post now".
The image should appear in the post.
Or,
You can send the image to me and I'll post it for you or help walk you thru it.
(took me a while to learn.
)
lclifton@sandersonford.com
To post an image here's what I do.
Go to
http://tinypic.com/?t=postupload
Click upload (top right area of page)
Then click browse.
Locate the picture that is on your computer.
Click that picture and the properties will move to the bar beside the browse button.
Go down and click the "upload now" button.
Once the picture is loaded it will appear on the screen.
Now, right click on the image and a box will pop up.
Highlight the address.
Then right click on the address and options will pop up. Click on "copy".
Then come to this site and when you go into "post reply" there is an icon that when you roll across it, it says "display image."
Click on that.
A box will come up.
Right click in that box.
Select "paste".
You now have pasted the address of your picture. Then just hit "post now".
The image should appear in the post.
Or,
You can send the image to me and I'll post it for you or help walk you thru it.
(took me a while to learn.
)lclifton@sandersonford.com
quote:Originally posted by BlueDog:quote:What we would be looking for is for that foot to plant while the hands are still loaded
DenJake, something for you to consider..
You want the front heel to plant while the hands are still loading.....You want the heel plant to interrupt the loading process...Think of whip in the hands and arms....
It's not about loading the hands and arms, then holding the load....It's about the overall body movement resulting in momentum not being stopped....Weight shift plays a big part in this....
The lower body doesn't necessarily move first....But, it does move forward first by leading the weight shift.......
Wright's sequence is weight shift, then the firing of the back hip....His hands are still loading when the back hip fires....
At least, that's the way I see it...
Ortiz...
Howard...
Again great description...
http://s5.tinypic.com/2nlwill.jpg
So in this picture you can see he is just about to bring his hands through but hasn't finished his stride. So that is where the lack of separation is.
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=91dyzr&s=5
quote:So in this picture you can see he is just about to bring his hands through but hasn't finished his stride. So that is where the lack of separation is.
Denjake,
One thing that would help right away would be for him to tip his bathead forward to about his head at the point he is in the game pic. This would give his lower body time to get ahead of his upper body. Everything else would need to be in the same place as in that pic to make it work, but it's worth a shot to see how many of his flaws it will fix.
quote:Originally posted by John YaYa:quote:Originally posted by powertoallfields:
Watch the direction of the hands as the knob points at the ball. As the upper body comes around with the hands behind the rear shoulder, the hands will go in a straight line as they take the sweetspot to the ball.
If you view this from above, the hands clearly do not move in a straight line.
The effort to get them there is. The body and like I said, the top hand end up moving them to the inside near contact, but the momentum is moving straight, not circular to the direction of the hit.
quote:Originally posted by powertoallfields:
The effort to get them there is. The body and like I said, the top hand end up moving them to the inside near contact, but the momentum is moving straight, not circular to the direction of the hit.
Sorry, but this is simply wrong.
I have never seen an overhead view of a major leaguer taking a linear hand path.
Hand path is circular
John Ya Ya,
Had to laugh at the screen name. That particular movie is a cult favorite of mine!
Had to laugh at the screen name. That particular movie is a cult favorite of mine!
quote:powertoallfields; Watch the direction of the hands as the knob points at the ball. As the upper body comes around with the hands behind the rear shoulder, the hands will go in a straight line as they take the sweetspot to the ball.
quote:Originally posted by LClifton:quote:powertoallfields; Watch the direction of the hands as the knob points at the ball. As the upper body comes around with the hands behind the rear shoulder, the hands will go in a straight line as they take the sweetspot to the ball.
Thanks, LClifton! That video is pretty clear.
quote:Originally posted by ncball:
Hand path is circular
For the hand path to be circular, the back elbow would have to straighten away from the body at go and then pull back in to contact. It just doesn't happen that way.
quote:Originally posted by BlueDog:quote:One thing that would help right away would be for him to tip his bathead forward to about his head at the point he is in the game pic. This would give his lower body time to get ahead of his upper body.
Power, in all due respect, I don't think this is where the timing of separation happens.....
Separation starts at the moment weight shift begins, IMO...
I agree, but the tilt forward should slow the hands from starting forward, since the bathead will have to start rearward. Provided all other parts of his swing are working right, it should put him back in sync. IMO, it's worth a shot to try and see where he is at that point with another video. As I told him earlier, IMO, he should find a good instructor to work with him on a regular basis. There is only so much that can be done over the internet.
Den,
Could you post the video to the "tiny pic" site?
(I can't get you tube here).
Could you post the video to the "tiny pic" site?
(I can't get you tube here).
