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The muscular, 255-pound former Heisman Trophy Award winner impressed with his raw power – he hit one long home run during the workout — and above-average speed, though his swing and defensive skills would presumably need plenty of work if he hoped to advance up the minor league chain and someday realize his goal of playing in the majors.

- Atlanta Constitution, Monday

How long does a 30yo get to revamp his swing and improve his defensive skills? Can he track a ball up the gap or over his head?

Teaching Elder posted:
RJM posted:

The NBA isn't rigged. Steph Curry never came back from his injury 100%. His post injury shooting numbers are not good. like most sports leg injuries effect the mechanics all the way up the body. The Warriors still had a chance to close it out at home up 3-1. But Draymon Green acted like an idiot and hurt his team.

If the NBA because if one ref so is rigged so is MLB due to the 1919 White Sox. Let's be real. They're isolated incidents. Tim Donahy rigged some regular season games. No one is paying attention. It would be noticed if a ref tried to rig a finals.

The poster who brought up traveling must not have watched an NBA game in the past five years. The NBA drastically cut down on the three steps to the hoop. Superstars still get preferred calls. But that's true in any sport.

No one is saying that one Ref is rigged.  I am saying that one Ref. gave proof that numerous Refs were rigged.  He has also stated that the NBA was orchestrating it.  

There was no proof. Also, in response to one of your prior posts, he was not convicted of rigging games.

RJM posted:

The NBA isn't rigged. Steph Curry never came back from his injury 100%. His post injury shooting numbers are not good. like most sports leg injuries effect the mechanics all the way up the body. The Warriors still had a chance to close it out at home up 3-1. But Draymon Green acted like an idiot and hurt his team.

If the NBA because if one ref so is rigged so is MLB due to the 1919 White Sox. Let's be real. They're isolated incidents. Tim Donahy rigged some regular season games. No one is paying attention. It would be noticed if a ref tried to rig a finals.

The poster who brought up traveling must not have watched an NBA game in the past five years. The NBA drastically cut down on the three steps to the hoop. Superstars still get preferred calls. But that's true in any sport.

Is there evidence that MLB stars get better calls? People said that maddux got a bigger Zone and maybe that was true but if we talk just about the pitch fx era, is there evidence for that? is kris bryant more likely to get a ball on the black called a ball than Chris coghlan? is kershaw more likely to get it called a strike than scott feldman?

There was no proof. Also, in response to one of your prior posts, he was not convicted of rigging games.

There was proof.  No, the Ref. in question didn't rig games.  What he did was collude with gamblers to determine who was most likely to win games due to knowing who was going to be refereeing certain match ups.    In truth, he should not have been the one to be convicted.  The referees in question should have been.  He's just the guy who got caught with the underworld guys.     

The fact that this guy could successfully predict games, but wasn't fixing them, is strong evidence of widespread malfeasance in the NBA refereeing ranks.    He also stated that the League was encouraging such behavior.   Did the League say, "You got us"?   Nope.  I've never seen a head of a non-profit, business CEO, politician or judge who didn't deny, deny, deny when they were fingered.   I'm not saying that being fingered and denying automatically makes one guilty.  However, denying doesn't make one not guilty either.    In this case we have enough evidence to make a wise individual think twice about gambling in the NBA.

I got a chance to check out all the footage of Tebow and...

Hitting - He's obviously got tremendous power.  The surprising thing was that he could catch up to a fastball.  His timing needs work, but his swing looks much improved.  

Fielding - He doesn't read the ball very well.  Happy feet is good for football, not in baseball.  As for his arm, he needs to make adjustments on how he throws the ball as all but one of his throws took at least 1 bounce.  He's got good velocity, just needs more spin on the ball.  

It's not like teams don't keep somewhat longer in the tooth players around in the minors long after it's obvious they have no future because they offer guidance for younger players. Think what you will (and I have never been a big fan of Tebow and his public displays of Christianity on the field), Tebow makes a good role model for younger players. Why wouldn't you want to expose your young players to that kind of work effort, moral backbone, and resilience. I can't see any 18-21 year old athletes holding it against him. Heck, I see it as a win-win situation. Braves get a quality individual to help guide a bunch of young kids and Tebow gets to see what he can do.

hsbaseball101 posted:

I got a chance to check out all the footage of Tebow and...

Hitting - He's obviously got tremendous power.  The surprising thing was that he could catch up to a fastball.  His timing needs work, but his swing looks much improved.  

Fielding - He doesn't read the ball very well.  Happy feet is good for football, not in baseball.  As for his arm, he needs to make adjustments on how he throws the ball as all but one of his throws took at least 1 bounce.  He's got good velocity, just needs more spin on the ball.  

I'm amazed at how many younger kids can catch up to high velocity these days. We got a chance to go up against a kid who throws 91-94 this weekend and our mostly 2019 team had little trouble catching up to the velocity. Now, they didn't pound the guy, but they got four solid hits in four innings and didn't strike out excessively.

2forU posted:

Mets vs Nationals - neither harper nor granderson made strong or accurate throws to home plate in attempts to get a base runner out at the plate.  Neither was deep. Just an observation.

Two guys who've proved capable of making good throws (Harper at least has a rep for having a solid arm, I'm not as up on Granderson) are not counter-examples because of a single bad throw.  Having watched Tebow, I'm not convinced he'll ever have anything approaching an average MLB OF arm.

Not that that alone would disqualify him, since plenty of noodle-armed OF have had MLB careers. The vast majority of them could hit MLB breaking balls or had other redeeming offensive qualities, which Tebow is also a long ways from proving he can match.

hsbaseball101 posted:

I got a chance to check out all the footage of Tebow and...

Hitting - He's obviously got tremendous power.  The surprising thing was that he could catch up to a fastball.  His timing needs work, but his swing looks much improved.  

Fielding - He doesn't read the ball very well.  Happy feet is good for football, not in baseball.  As for his arm, he needs to make adjustments on how he throws the ball as all but one of his throws took at least 1 bounce.  He's got good velocity, just needs more spin on the ball.  

Happy feet is a major negative in football. It was one of several criticisms of Tebow. He got nervous in the pocket and took off before going through his reads. The Patriots, with the 31st ranked defense stuffed Tebow twice with a controlled rush, making him stay in the pocket and forcing him to go through his reads. They got sacks when Tebow held on to the ball for six, seven seconds. When he took off quickly he ran right into sacks.

It seems to me that power is the great deodorizer. It is the ultimate Band-Aid, the one thing that if you do, you receive forgiveness for any other shortcomings in your game. If you hit homeruns, you can bat .200-230, and be among the league leaders in strikeouts. Defense is kind of a whatever, since half the teams in the majors have one player who doesn't play defense.

If I am in charge of Tampa' s PR dept. I would give him Tebow a contract to play in the remaining home games. They have been last in attendance for the last 4-5 years.  Could Tebow draw an extra 10-20,000 fans per game?  Base the contract on attendance, Tebow gets a buck a head for every fan in the seat over the average attendance.

If I am in charge of Tampa's ( or any other team) baseball operations I would pass on the opportunity.

if he wanted to play baseball so bad why wasn't he on somebody's summer team. Lots of Indy or mens leagues out there. Show the world how good you are by playing, not by doing one showcase and expecting a contract.

Stafford posted:

ESPN's Adam Shefter broke the story and says Tebow will play in the Arizona Fall League.

I looked up that tweet because it's so surprising.  It says AZ Fall League or Instructional League.  The Fall League is a high profile league loaded with elite prospects.  I can't see them throwing him into that so soon unless they are really confident of his abilities or figure that it's sink-or-swim time for him right now.

You would think with Tebow's current level of ability and playing beat the clock with his age he would be committed to becoming the best baseball player he can be as fast as possible?

 No! He needs time off for his real job. His signing is nothing but a publicity stunt. He's an ego driven athlete who misses the spotlight.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/...0908-snap-story.html

 

 

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