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He's a tremendous athlete. I'm looking forward to see what kind of baseball skills he has.
He is a likeable guy who you really don't have to worry about making poor decisions off the field. He gives us all enough religion in his speeches that we (collectively as a nation) don't have to go to Sunday school. I like the guy and I hope he does well. JMO.
This may be an interesting thread.
My view -- respect for the effort, and apparent love for the game ...
But no chance as an OF/Hitter after 10 years out of the game and nothing past high school. It's good he made some $ in football and broadcasting, gives him a chance to pursue something many good athletes in mid/late 20's would like to try. But most have to go find real work by then with steady pay.
I do think some Minor League team signs him as a promotion to draw interest and fans. And maybe a reality TV show.
Wasting his time. Might want to try professional rassling.
Now Jerry's going to have to fill in some of those blanks.
Good luck to him, but it will end like Michael Jordan. at least some minor league or indy Team will get some Publicity.
I don't have a problem with what Tim Tebow is doing. If he hit above .200 in short season A ball or rookie ball, I would be impressed. I don't think that is possible but let the young man try and prove people wrong if he can get the opportunity.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/...s-los-angeles-angels
https://www.facebook.com/kenro...sts/1093299124069151
It's not like he's never played before... I thought when he first committed to UF, he could be a 2-sport player... He might have been one of the best baseball players on campus all 4-years he was there - definitely is an ELITE athlete... It will be interesting to see how fast game skills come back to him (if at all?) to see where he's at...
As a person, I really like and respect Tebow from what I know about him from a very long distance. I just can't see how this can end well. It is very hard for me to believe that anyone could take 11 years away from the game of baseball and step back in and be succussful. Possibly if he was a LHP that could throw low to mid 90's, but as a hitter, I doubt it. I know the guy is tremendously athletic. I could see him having success in basketball or some other sport that require mainly athleticism, but a sport like baseball that is a trained skill over thousand and thousands of reps, I really don't believe he stands a chance. I'm all for him going for it and have nothing against him trying. I just hate to see him give all the naysayers out there more ammo to pile on him about. The guy is obviously a high moral and character person and one most dad's would love to see their daughter bring home, but that isn't gonna help him one bit in batting practice. It will be interesting to follow.
He's 'projectable' 
Arm good enough to pitch? Hard throwing lefty will always get a look.
Frankly, I'm not sure his past history in baseball is even relevant anymore. As some have pointed out, he has not played in close to 10 years. More importantly, his body has changed a LOT since he was 18. Over the years he has bulked himself up into a fullback/tight-end style body. Certainly not a pitcher's body. Probably one of the reasons he never was a particularly accurate passer. There is tons of info on the web regarding his workouts. For the most part, they are not baseball workouts. To go back to baseball now will require him to totally change his mentality. I don't see that happening. If he's so desperate to play professional sports, he'd have a better shot at making the NFL as a fullback or tight end. But, he's too proud/delusional to do that. Now baseball's his plan B? I don't see it. Time to move on. No one plays any sport forever. Our kids moved on. Time for him to do the same.
Hey may be a great athlete, but he isn't as great an athlete as Michael Jordan was. No chance as a position player. When I heard he was going to try to play baseball, I thought that he may have a shot as a LHP, but then I heard it was as an OF...
I wish him well. But that's a tall order. I agree someone may just sign him for the fanfare. But realistically his odds are very slim of being capable to compete at a level that would justify it outside of a publicity stunt.
He knows the odds are stacked against him.
He's going for it anyway. Maybe he enjoys the experience of pursuing apparently unreachable goals. Maybe his desire to succeed is so intense that the odds don't matter. Maybe he knows himself well enough that he won't respect himself fully if he quits before a goal is proven to be truly impossible. Maybe he senses an obligation to find the best expression of his abilities. Maybe he just thinks it would be a blast to try.
Whatever his motivation, it matters more to him than his fear of public failure or the likelihood that millions of people with a fraction of his talent and character will mock him if he fails.
I respect that.
I don't see an article link to the original post so ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com...omeback-in-baseball/
The word "had" comes up frequently when describing his skills. He's inviting MLB teams to a workout. He shou,d be personally begging any to show. If he's signed by a MLB organization check to see if their short season team has low attendance. Otherwise, I expect him to be advised to sign with an Indy team. A team in the Bible Belt with poor attendance would do well to sign him.
I am with swampboy on this. He obviously doesn't care what people think or he wouldn't keep taking risks. I definitely would not call it an act of desperation. He doesn't need baseball or any other sport. He just wants to give it a shot. More power to him.
I can only assume someone is paying him to see this happen, maybe to turn it into something like a reality show.
I guess it'll sell some tickets on some Rookie League team. If everything went unbelievably well, after 5 years in the minors he might make it to MLB -- at the age of 33-34. Good luck with that.
If he's serious about playing a big time sport, he should suit up as a tight end and head to an NFL camp. But he has already let this year pass him by on that score, so I take it this is either an attempt to stay viable as a TV personality (kind of like how Sarah Palin has to say something once in a while to keep getting paid to show up at various places), or an indication that he's not in touch with reality.
Swamp, I totally agree with your post. There is footage of his swing on twitter. I have to say it looks very good. Now, how it will translate to live pitching, I don't know. I still am very skeptical of the result, not the effort.
Batting Stance Guy has a nice swing too. ;-)
I would put money on Tebow getting picked up. Baseball is a business. He will increase the bottom line of any organization.
Julian Edelmann, Patriots WR recently worked out with the Red Sox. He drove the ball well. He hit several into the screen. He showed great hands and arm at short. All he proved is he's an excellent athlete who used to play baseball. It doesn't mean he can play MLB. At least not now starting in his late twenties. I see Tebow the same way. Tebow is either bored or working an angle.
The doubting Thomas's are queuing up on this one. Everybody's got an angle on this or that, and conspiracies are running rampant. Remember, Tebow is a very different athlete than anybody else. Anybody remember Bo Jackson? I'm not saying he is is the next Bo Jackson, but Bo surprised a few baseball people along the way. Before you bury Tebow, let's see what baseball skills he can bring to the table. He may surprise a few of us.
I can assure everyone that this is not a publicity stunt. There are former MLB players that think he has a good chance of making it to the Big Leagues. We have been contacted and are planning to see what he has.
As difficult as it may seem, almost impossible, Tebow is a very rare athlete and person. What a great story if this really happens. It would be outstanding for the game of baseball in so many ways.
Right or wrong, he believes he can make it to the Big Leagues. Athletes believe that they will succeed, otherwise, they would not have had the success that they had, whatever it was.
fenwaysouth posted:The doubting Thomas's are queuing up on this one. Everybody's got an angle on this or that, and conspiracies are running rampant. Remember, Tebow is a very different athlete than anybody else. Anybody remember Bo Jackson? I'm not saying he is is the next Bo Jackson, but Bo surprised a few baseball people along the way. Before you bury Tebow, let's see what baseball skills he can bring to the table. He may surprise a few of us.
You have a good point, but I also agree, let's not compare Tebow to Bo Jackson! That's blasphemy. Michael Jordan couldn't do it, and I wouldn't compare Tim Tebow in any way shape or form to him. Just don't think it'll happen. There have been many instances where players have done football to baseball, or baseball to football, and not many have been successful. Most of the football to baseball guys didn't make it out of A Ball. I just think it is going to be too difficult.
This is not a slight on Tebow, but each year we see lots of great players not make it. I know a lot of people would love to see it happen, but minus a miracle, it's not...
Texas1836 posted:Right or wrong, he believes he can make it to the Big Leagues. Athletes believe that they will succeed, otherwise, they would not have had the success that they had, whatever it was.
You're right - it's an essential part of the successful athlete's makeup, at any level. I was talking to my son the other day about his HS team's chances next spring. As defending league champ they lost 7 starters to graduation, while the #2 team returns 6 starters, including 4 D1 commits. My son is pretty darn confident they'll win nonetheless.
(that said, I'm predicting a roster spot on the Sugarland Skeeters for Mr. Tebow.)
He gives us all enough religion in his speeches that we (collectively as a nation) don't have to go to Sunday school.
Yes you do. Lol.
I don't think an organization will sign him for attendance as I believe gate and concession money goes to the individual minor league team, not the parent organization. Somebody correct me if I am wrong. This, however, would be a great incentive for a independent team to sign him since the money from increased attendance would go straight to the decision makers.
The swings I saw on twitter don't translate to the higher levels of pro ball in my opinion. He turns like a mad man and is clearly an elite athlete but I don't think the swing plays against high level pitching.
the Roswell Space Invaders are looking to boost attendance.
rynoattack posted:fenwaysouth posted:The doubting Thomas's are queuing up on this one. Everybody's got an angle on this or that, and conspiracies are running rampant. Remember, Tebow is a very different athlete than anybody else. Anybody remember Bo Jackson? I'm not saying he is is the next Bo Jackson, but Bo surprised a few baseball people along the way. Before you bury Tebow, let's see what baseball skills he can bring to the table. He may surprise a few of us.
You have a good point, but I also agree, let's not compare Tebow to Bo Jackson! That's blasphemy. Michael Jordan couldn't do it, and I wouldn't compare Tim Tebow in any way shape or form to him. Just don't think it'll happen. There have been many instances where players have done football to baseball, or baseball to football, and not many have been successful. Most of the football to baseball guys didn't make it out of A Ball. I just think it is going to be too difficult.
This is not a slight on Tebow, but each year we see lots of great players not make it. I know a lot of people would love to see it happen, but minus a miracle, it's not...
Bo played SEC baseball and was very good. Tebow did not. Bo's game took the leap when he committed to it. He certainly had the talent to be a HOF football player since he put HOF Marcus Allen on the bench. He might have pushed it in baseball since he was on track to hit 400 to 500 homers pre steroids. If he got to 500 he would have been a lock.
IMO Bo was the greatest athlete that has ever lived and Tebow is not in his class and it isn't even close. Tebow is athletic enough to try baseball - but having the skills after laying off the game for this length of time is unlikely.
I'm a huge Tebow fan but agree with the doubters. Maybe a more comparable example is Russell Wilson (QB SEA). Russell could not make it past AA ball and gave it up for football. Having great leadership and athleticism does not equal MLB talent.
PGStaff posted:I can assure everyone that this is not a publicity stunt. There are former MLB players that think he has a good chance of making it to the Big Leagues. We have been contacted and are planning to see what he has.
As difficult as it may seem, almost impossible, Tebow is a very rare athlete and person. What a great story if this really happens. It would be outstanding for the game of baseball in so many ways.
2 comments would be
1. I don't know which professional players believe he has a chance but their are many ex players who live in an odd world where reality is not part of it. Some of them are also very observant and opinions should be valued...but not just because they have the resume of ex MLB. At a minimum I think you would need to define what a "good chance" is to have a meaningful conversation on it.
2. At least there will be very little projectable knowledge that needs to be accessed when you see him. He is what he is for size, arm strength, speed and so on. How much rust he is carrying will be a little tougher to determine. one comment I read online below, I can't believe 12 years of not playing baseball would have helped the bolded questions concerning him.
"He could have been a good prospect if he had played more," a scout who saw Tebow play in high school told MLB.com's Jonathan Mayo. "He was super strong with power, though he was a bit stiff."
Saw yesterday that Gary Sheffield believes he can be an MLB batter. Sheffield's got a better idea than I (or any of us here) about what it takes to play in the MLB.....so at this point, I'm gonna go with his opinion
PGStaff posted:I can assure everyone that this is not a publicity stunt. There are former MLB players that think he has a good chance of making it to the Big Leagues. We have been contacted and are planning to see what he has.
As difficult as it may seem, almost impossible, Tebow is a very rare athlete and person. What a great story if this really happens. It would be outstanding for the game of baseball in so many ways.
I'm not anti-Tebow and, apparently, there are a lot of folks who know a whole lot more than I do that think he has a good chance. I acknowledge that he is a very rare athlete.
Here's my glaring doubt though - OF's have to hit (and they have to do it consistently against the best pitchers in the world). He has never hit against high level pitching. He will need a whole lot of AB's against progressively better pitching to catch up from where he left off (HS junior). So, IMO, even taking "ultra-athletic" and "extremely gifted" into account, he will need time. He's 28. By the time that happens, he will be 30+ and beginning the phase of physical decline. Just not enough time.
It would be fun to be proven wrong.
Buckeye 2015 posted:Saw yesterday that Gary Sheffield believes he can be an MLB batter. Sheffield's got a better idea than I (or any of us here) about what it takes to play in the MLB.....so at this point, I'm gonna go with his opinion
While his opinion may be better then mine or yours I don't necessarily agree that his is good or accurate. I saw the same interview you are referencing.
Buckeye 2015 posted:Saw yesterday that Gary Sheffield believes he can be an MLB batter. Sheffield's got a better idea than I (or any of us here) about what it takes to play in the MLB.....so at this point, I'm gonna go with his opinion
I LOVE Gary Sheffield myself, but there are PLENTY of Major League scouts that think he doesn't have a chance. We'll have to see where this all ends up, but just because Gary Sheffield thinks it is a possibility, doesn't make it so. I saw where Sheffield is now a Sports Agent? He is probably getting paid for his opinion.
He will sign with the Sugar Land Skeeters, an Indy team in Texas. They signed Tracy McGrady two years ago. They also had Scott Kazmir on their roster several years back when he was on the comeback trail.
I really like Tim Tebow. It would be an amazing story if he could do it. But this is what I am seeing. 28 years old and hasn't played in almost a decade. The highest level of pitching he has ever faced almost a decade ago is HS pitching. Now he is going to have success against pitching much better than he has ever seen almost a decade removed from the game? And if he has enough success to get a shot he is going to progress rapidly enough in the game to out run father time as his physically faculties start to decline like everyone who has ever played does.
He is going to do this because he is so dadgum determined. He is going to do this because he is an elite athlete. He is going to do this because he is Tim Tebow. And because some guys have seen him swing it in a cage and he looked great. Look I think it would be awesome if he lit it up and was a phenom and made it to the show. But if I am going to look at this realistically I say no way. He is not the only ridiculously determined elite athlete that couldn't make it. And he won't be the last. He is one of the few that started at 28 years old.
Just my opinion. I will be happy to be proven wrong.
Go44dad posted:He will sign with the Sugar Land Skeeters, an Indy team in Texas. They signed Tracy McGrady two years ago. They also had Scott Kazmir on their roster several years back when he was on the comeback trail.
Don't forget the Rocket. I think they brought in one of his boys to catch him in a game.
The proponents/believers do have me thinking. It would be a GREAT storyline for baseball if he got far enough in someone's system to see if he could really do it. Could you imagine his MLB debut?
I have always disliked the guy. Not because he is a Christian or expresses his faith publicly -- I keep that stuff out of it and like others, I get that on Sunday mornings. I do respect him personally.
My teams were just always on the opposite side of his during his college glory days, and he repeatedly whipped our butts, and he sure as hell enjoyed it while he was doing it! Not more complicated than that, he's one of those guys in sports.
BUT, if he made it to MLB, or even high MiLB? Darn right I would be watching every AB I could! It would be one heckuva story and you would have to watch!
Why give up on your dreams if you don't have to? Good for him! Hope he makes it! If you think it's a waste of time, watch / read something else - real simple.
I'm not a Tebow fan. But, I can respect a guy who sets a goal and goes after it. Who knows if he'll make it or not. All we can do is speculate (some people's speculation is better than others). My biggest question, besides his hitting, is his speed. As an outfield "prospect", I imagine he needs some pretty impressive speed. As I said, not a fan, so I've never followed his career and I have no idea what his speed looks like. Anybody have insight on that?
Some one else here said it and I agree this will end similar to Michael Jordan. Problem is some of these nfl'ers and commentators don't respect the game of baseball so they think it's easy. When in fact it's the hardest to play. MJ hit 70% of his shots, in baseball it takes 30% accuracy to be considered great like MJ.
Ironic thought I jus had - what if he didn't make it in football because he insisted on throwing the ball for a living and he failed at baseball because he refused to throw the ball for a living.....
I would speculate that he has a better chance than 99% of our kids to make it the show. Add to the fact that he has the means and ability to enlist the best of the best to train him. Not to mention the drive. Of course it's a long shot, it's a long shot for all but the Trout's and Harper's of the world.
Stafford posted:Thoughts?
My thoughts....I'm feeling sorry for whoever was suppose to have that spot in MLB. Tebow hasn't played a baseball game in 10 years and yet he's going to fly through the system because of the wow factor.
I'm not saying he isn't a great athlete, he very much is. What I'm saying is there are better baseball players than Tebow and one of them may miss their shot at MLB because Tebow beat them on name recognition, rather than talent.
He won't get to the MLB because of his name.....Jordan didn't make it on name alone.....no way Tebow gets thru unless he's got the ability. He'll likely get a shot at the minors.....but he'll have to earn anything above that
It's "Unfair" that Tebow got a big athletic body by birth. It's "unfair" that he got a drive to win that others don't have by accident of birth. It's "unfair" that Tebow got to play at Florida and have a great career. It's "unfair" that he gets to be on television. It's "unfair" that everyone knows his name. It's "unfair" that he gets opportunities that others don't because of it. It's "unfair" that he can make a club money and be a draw to games because of all the aforementioned "unfair" advantages he has.
It's "unfair" that Trout and Harper have great baseball skills by birth. It's "unfair" that they have big athletic bodies to complement their skills. It's "unfair" that they also had strong work ethics. It's "unfair" that they get paid millions for these God given talents. It's "unfair" that these God given talents are keeping other good players out of the MLB.
It's "unfair" that Nolan Ryan had an inborn knowledge of how to throw a ball very hard, and the size to go with it. It's "unfair' that he never won a Cy Young.
It's "unfair" that Derek Jeter was a very good baseball player and was good looking too and dated some incredible women. It's unfair that a lot of good short stops got drafted to the Yankees but never got a chance, because Jeter had a choke hold on the position.
We've become such and "unfair", "I'm a victim" society.
Don't teach this stuff to your kids.
NOT ONE of the prior posts said anything was "unfair", or begrudged Tebow any of his accomplishments. Take your political BS to some whackadoodle political message board.
Reading comp is not your strong suit is it. Go back and read a little.
Teaching Elder posted:Reading comp is not your strong suit is it. Go back and read a little.
I just did a control F search on all of page 1 and 2 and the first time the word unfair was used was by you.
Obviously you feel the situation of Trout and Harper having good bodies is unfair and you have a serious disagreement with Derek Jeter's girlfriends and position. Take a deep breath and remember:
"I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and gosh darn it people like me"
-Church Lady circa 1990
CaCO3Girl posted:Stafford posted:Thoughts?
My thoughts....I'm feeling sorry for whoever was suppose to have that spot in MLB. Tebow hasn't played a baseball game in 10 years and yet he's going to fly through the system because of the wow factor.
I'm not saying he isn't a great athlete, he very much is. What I'm saying is there are better baseball players than Tebow and one of them may miss their shot at MLB because Tebow beat them on name recognition, rather than talent.
MTH posted:NOT ONE of the prior posts said anything was "unfair", or begrudged Tebow any of his accomplishments. Take your political BS to some whackadoodle political message board.
Uh.....the word unfair isn't in the above post....but that certainly seems to be the insinuation
Teaching Elder posted:It's "Unfair" that Tebow got a big athletic body by birth. It's "unfair" that he got a drive to win that others don't have by accident of birth. It's "unfair" that Tebow got to play at Florida and have a great career. It's "unfair" that he gets to be on television. It's "unfair" that everyone knows his name. It's "unfair" that he gets opportunities that others don't because of it. It's "unfair" that he can make a club money and be a draw to games because of all the aforementioned "unfair" advantages he has.
It's "unfair" that Trout and Harper have great baseball skills by birth. It's "unfair" that they have big athletic bodies to complement their skills. It's "unfair" that they also had strong work ethics. It's "unfair" that they get paid millions for these God given talents. It's "unfair" that these God given talents are keeping other good players out of the MLB.
It's "unfair" that Nolan Ryan had an inborn knowledge of how to throw a ball very hard, and the size to go with it. It's "unfair' that he never won a Cy Young.
It's "unfair" that Derek Jeter was a very good baseball player and was good looking too and dated some incredible women. It's unfair that a lot of good short stops got drafted to the Yankees but never got a chance, because Jeter had a choke hold on the position.
We've become such and "unfair", "I'm a victim" society.
Don't teach this stuff to your kids.
Yo Teach, you having a bad day?
Smile it is only small argument on a fairly insignificant topic that most likely will not ever materialize into anything!!
"I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and gosh darn it people like me"
That was not the Church Lady. That was Stuart Smalley. But I get the picture. You're trying to take an oblique shot at my profession.
"Unfair" was insinuated throughout your post. It's that same thing that was said when Michael Jordan played. Same thing when Jim Morris went back. Way too easily thrown around. Cliched argument that is easily debunked.
Not even the great Charlie Lau could help Tim on this adventure as a hitter.
Teaching Elder posted:"I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and gosh darn it people like me"
That was not the Church Lady. That was Stuart Smalley. But I get the picture. You're trying to take an oblique shot at my profession.
"Unfair" was insinuated throughout your post. It's that same thing that was said when Michael Jordan played. Same thing when Jim Morris went back. Way too easily thrown around. Cliched argument that is easily debunked.
I don't know what your profession is, but I will admit I get my SNL skits mixed up.
Feeling sorry for someone does not mean it is automatically an "unfair" situation.
If a man gambles away everything, looses his job and family due to his addiction, and is on the streets I can feel sorry that he wound up there, but I don't think it was unfair that he did.
Tim Tebow will not cost anyone a shot at big league baseball. If he gets on a roster, they won't be sitting some guy hitting .300 and driving in a lot of runs just so he can take their spot. The guy who will sit will be the same guy who always sits - the one struggling to stay above the Mendoza line and not producing at the level he's playing at.
CaCO3Girl posted:"I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and gosh darn it people like me"-Church Lady circa 1990
Ummmm... Actually that's Stuart Smalley... LOL!
And he's not living in a van down by the river
No. He's now a Senator from like Minnesota or somewhere.
2forU posted:And he's not living in a van down by the river
Nope, that's the OTHER MiLB'er, although I think it was a van in a parking lot....he had a hot plate though, so he had that going for him!
Michael Jordan jumped straight into Double A and hit .200. That's better than what I would've done and better than what many 1st rounders end up doing. If Tebow can hit .250 at the same level I'll be very impressed. Who knows, he might be way better at baseball than he is at football.
His swing is a lot better than I thought it would be...
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=espn:17256919
Sheffield: Tebow can be in Majors in two years
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=espn:17255355
Bolts-Coach-PR posted:His swing is a lot better than I thought it would be...
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=espn:17256919
That was my first time seeing him with a bat and agree that swing is pretty good...gets his foot down early so he doesn't have a ton of moving parts. Oh, and it helps to be donkey strong!
Obviously, the biggest hurdle will be recognizing pitches.
Side-show Tim will make it to the Ray's 40 man roster 'til the end of the year. What did they have, like 12K in the stands at their last home game? He will put butts in the seats for a month or 2 and that will be it. Next year he'll be doing the ESPN gig and eventually will be elected as a senator or congressman for FL.
This story is so predictable.....lol
Bolts-Coach-PR posted:His swing is a lot better than I thought it would be...
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=espn:17256919
Sheffield: Tebow can be in Majors in two years
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=espn:17255355
swing is much better then I would have guessed but it is still a cage and BP...
Sheffield IMO doesn't do much to sway an argument in this interview. He probably wouldn't be real high on my list of guys I would be going to discuss hitting with.
He hit .490 in his Junior year in HS so he probably was a solid Player but making mlb as a 29 year old who has not played for a whole decade is something else.
I'm sure scouts/teams are always intrigued when a guy with Tebow's athletic prowess and character wants to give it a go on the diamond. I've got no problem with him trying out or even announcing that he wants to give it go. He'll have to compete just like the others who have been honing their craft without interruption for the past 15-20 years. The odds are clearly stacked against him
old_school posted:Bolts-Coach-PR posted:His swing is a lot better than I thought it would be...
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=espn:17256919
Sheffield: Tebow can be in Majors in two years
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=espn:17255355swing is much better then I would have guessed but it is still a cage and BP...
Sheffield IMO doesn't do much to sway an argument in this interview. He probably wouldn't be real high on my list of guys I would be going to discuss hitting with.
Why not? Sheffield was a great hitter! Probably the quickest bat I've seen, and he worked VERY hard at his craft. He's probably forgot more about hitting than anyone on these boards...
Ryan, there are a lot of great former players who can't describe how they do it. What they describe is contrary to what you see.
ClevelandDad posted:Tim Tebow will not cost anyone a shot at big league baseball. If he gets on a roster, they won't be sitting some guy hitting .300 and driving in a lot of runs just so he can take their spot. The guy who will sit will be the same guy who always sits - the one struggling to stay above the Mendoza line and not producing at the level he's playing at.
100% correct.
rynoattack posted:old_school posted:Bolts-Coach-PR posted:His swing is a lot better than I thought it would be...
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=espn:17256919
Sheffield: Tebow can be in Majors in two years
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=espn:17255355swing is much better then I would have guessed but it is still a cage and BP...
Sheffield IMO doesn't do much to sway an argument in this interview. He probably wouldn't be real high on my list of guys I would be going to discuss hitting with.
Why not? Sheffield was a great hitter! Probably the quickest bat I've seen, and he worked VERY hard at his craft. He's probably forgot more about hitting than anyone on these boards...
he was a great hitter and may have had the quickest bat I have ever seen as well. None of that has any influence on if he knows how to discuss hitting, understands how to teach concepts in a meaningful way and is able to produce a swing that works for another person. nor does it indicate he any idea that he would have a some kind of above average opinion on Tebows ability.
PG staff would certainly better equipped for that conversation, as would most any good college baseball coach or even many instructors from travel programs....
The most oversold and worthless tag line in baseball is when programs advertise lessons with ex-player IMO
The deep down burning desire to compete is something that's hard to explain. My silly wore out A$$ drove all over the country to play ball, up into my 40s. I can't imagine being one of the best athletes in the world and not playing, and pushing and fighting every weekend.
Hitting a baseball is very very hard, even for gifted athletes. I believe I already know what will be the outcome of this attempt to keep on playing pro sports. But I totally understand why he is doing it.
As soon as my Advil kicks in I am gonna throw BP to some HS kids today....that's how I compete!
Doc - Make sure to announce your presence with AUTHORITY.....and hope none of them plunk the bull!!!!
Will Advil fix my shoddy labrum? I would love to be able to throw a ball 35 feet without significant ARC again.
I'm thinking of making a comeback. I throw as hard as I ever did. The ball just arrives a lot later now.
Pretty detailed swing analysis from Coach Lisle.
Something about weight transfer and arm locked out. And then I got a little bored. Anyway, chow dog.
My kid watched the video and says that he thinks Tebow's hand path is okay but that overall he looks out of sequence, like a natural righty trying to learn how to swing lefty.
Just saw that an MLB guy who I'll be watching play tomorrow night does not seem to be a big fan.
Andrew Jones on Twitter:
After this @MLB season I'm going try out for the @NFL this offseason. I haven't played since HS but I've played in a few TurkeyBowls since!!
— 10 (@SimplyAJ10) August 9, 2016
rynoattack posted:old_school posted:Bolts-Coach-PR posted:His swing is a lot better than I thought it would be...
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=espn:17256919
Sheffield: Tebow can be in Majors in two years
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=espn:17255355swing is much better then I would have guessed but it is still a cage and BP...
Sheffield IMO doesn't do much to sway an argument in this interview. He probably wouldn't be real high on my list of guys I would be going to discuss hitting with.
Why not? Sheffield was a great hitter! Probably the quickest bat I've seen, and he worked VERY hard at his craft. He's probably forgot more about hitting than anyone on these boards...
this link posted earlier by JCG sums up what I was attempting to say...I saw none of this type of thought from Sheffield. great hitters don't necessarily know a damn thing about hitting mechanics or teaching.
https://thehittingvault.com/20...ow-have-a-mlb-swing/
Go Tebow! Good for him. Not a single one of us know for sure if he can make it. And odds are stacked against every (well almost) player who signs a minor league contract. But they keep signing and pursuing their dreams. Shall we criticize all of them? He has the money so isn't hurting anyone financially by making a move like this. I can see no down side to him giving it a shot. I wish him the best and hope he makes it! There are so many horrific back up and third string qb's in the nfl. I truly believe he is out of work because of his strong religious beliefs. What a sad world we live in.
Love the guy. Hate the swing Based on the one video clip that's being shown, Tebow's swing is terrible. It's bad for a high school swing. Sorry folks, it's not going to work. Whoever he paid to help him should be sued for malpractice.
If he has terrific speed, he may be able to beat out all the ground balls he's going to hit.
2020dad posted:G There are so many horrific back up and third string qb's in the nfl. I truly believe he is out of work because of his strong religious beliefs. What a sad world we live in.
No, he's out of work because he's no good as an NFL quarterback, not because of some made-up Christian persecution.
Tebow got a ton of bad press due to his showing his religious beliefs. Believe it or not, he still does. Lots of conspiracy theories about being blackballed or just not good enough. He did not do drugs, steroids, or drink - did not fit in with the NFL.
2forU posted:Tebow got a ton of bad press due to his showing his religious beliefs. Believe it or not, he still does. Lots of conspiracy theories about being blackballed or just not good enough. He did not do drugs, steroids, or drink - did not fit in with the NFL.
So you are saying that NFL owners prefer employees who do drugs?
I don't think so.
He swings like a pitcher. After almost a year of work he should be more balanced and not armbar. If he can do it, I'd highly suggest he'd take the PO route.
JCG posted:2forU posted:Tebow got a ton of bad press due to his showing his religious beliefs. Believe it or not, he still does. Lots of conspiracy theories about being blackballed or just not good enough. He did not do drugs, steroids, or drink - did not fit in with the NFL.
So you are saying that NFL owners prefer employees who do drugs?
I don't think so.
You might want to re-read 2forU's response, because that's not what he said.
NFL owners want it all to fly under the radar just like baseball and every other sport. The do not prefer, just expect players do whatever they have to do - with a blind eye. They have to take the high road, they are owners. Now you can also see why they would not want anyone who seemed to openly push religious beliefs / agenda on anyone - true or not, they don't want the perceived problem.
No one picked up Ray Rice after the domestic assault incident. Great running back, had life left in him, very bad mistake, no one wants to deal with the backlash of picking him up. Everyone knew what happened, but he did not get dropped until the video proved it to the owners. Dropped him like the Cowboys drop touchdown passes.
2forU posted:NFL owners want it all to fly under the radar just like baseball and every other sport. The do not prefer, just expect players do whatever they have to do - with a blind eye. They have to take the high road, they are owners. Now you can also see why they would not want anyone who seemed to openly push religious beliefs / agenda on anyone - true or not, they don't want the perceived problem.
Swampboy will shut this down pretty soon if it goes much further, so I'll just say that that vocal Christians hold prominent positions in every field of endeavour in this country, from government, to education, to medicine, and to sports. There is no heathen conspiracy to exclude them. On the contrary. If you want to be a member of an ostracized minority, try being an Atheist. Or a Muslim.
SultanofSwat posted:Love the guy. Hate the swing Based on the one video clip that's being shown, Tebow's swing is terrible. It's bad for a high school swing. Sorry folks, it's not going to work. Whoever he paid to help him should be sued for malpractice.
If he has terrific speed, he may be able to beat out all the ground balls he's going to hit.
Agreed......he may be able to hit a fastball....but he'll never touch a curve. My son's friend had that exact same swing thru HS....all the power in the world on a FB...but a curve....forget it. He's a PO in college now, even though he was one of the most powerful hitters I ever saw. It was natural....nobody could fix it. If someone has been with Tebow for a year and he's still swinging like that, I really don't like his chances.
We could close this thread now if people like. Please, no more religious or political comments because it always leads to a degeneration of a thread like this. Please direct your comments toward the topic - whether or not Tebow is qualified and has a legitimate shot.
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Matt13 posted:2020dad posted:G There are so many horrific back up and third string qb's in the nfl. I truly believe he is out of work because of his strong religious beliefs. What a sad world we live in.
No, he's out of work because he's no good as an NFL quarterback, not because of some made-up Christian persecution.
NFL teams will sign players with criminal records if it helps them win. In other words they will sign anyone who helps them win. It seems all those players on a knee, handing hands praying together on the did try hard line after games are religious. And they're signed.
Here's my specific response to Tebow not being signed due to religious persecution ... Aaron Rogers. Rogers is very religious. He wears it on his sleeve. He's always willing to talk about his religion. The difference is he's a stud QB.
ClevelandDad posted:We could close this thread now if people like. Please, no more religious or political comments because it always leads to a degeneration of a thread like this. Please direct your comments toward the topic - whether or not Tebow is qualified and has a legitimate shot.
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Good point, I'll delete my last comment about theories! Go Tebow - make it or not.
My 14 year old thinks it would have been a lot easier to go 10 years not playing football and be able to pick it up again rather than not playing baseball for 10 years. Since he plays both I'll have to bend to his judgement on that.
A little something to help the thread along. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl8iYAo90pE 
Tebow swings like McGwire, except McGwire has a bigger and longer arm-bar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uEaFsmob00
(I removed the part about anything illegal or anyone knowing or not)
Tim is trending on Twitter right now. Footage from his workout available for those who give a flying you know what.
Looks like legit skills to me...+ speed, + power. Would have loved to have seen him do it 5 years sooner. Would think there's going to be a long learning curve to hitting professional pitching and tracking professional fly balls in the outfield.
bigcubbiefan posted:Looks like legit skills to me...+ speed, + power. Would have loved to have seen him do it 5 years sooner. Would think there's going to be a long learning curve to hitting professional pitching and tracking professional fly balls in the outfield.
Funny I don't see that all.
granted there are many ways to swing a bat but I don't think he is all that close.
I probably could have said it better...looks like legit tools to me. The skills have to be developed and they haven't been over the past 10+ years. Don't see it happening but he looks a heck of a lot better swinging a bat than my all time sports hero Michael Jordan did in my eyes.
Man, I watch this: https://twitter.com/TaylorBlak...s/770685383797383168
and think he should be playing football (though not quarterback). 6'3" 255 lb and he was clocked today at 6.65 - 6.82 in the 60. If he were willing to not be a QB, he'd be in the NFL now, IMHO.
Dude has power. Whether it will translate to in-game . . . I'm skeptical.
bigcubbiefan posted:Looks like legit skills to me...+ speed, + power. Would have loved to have seen him do it 5 years sooner. Would think there's going to be a long learning curve to hitting professional pitching and tracking professional fly balls in the outfield.
Watched the video, based on the throws from RF, I can see why he couldn't make it in the NFL as a QB. He runs flyball routes like a DH, too, which even given decent enough speed isn't going to hack it unless he hits a ton.
Jerry. Did you get to go to this?
Tebow's showcase
Insulting.
Interesting article on the workout here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com...?tid=pm_sports_pop_b
It winds up:
MLB scouts weigh in on Tim Tebow’s baseball workout - The Washington Post
One scout said he would expect a team to take a flyer for, say, a bonus of around $100,000 and send Tebow to instructional league this fall. Another wondered if any club would want the inevitable sideshow that would come with signing him.
But the Tebow baseball experiment, according to a few who are paid to evaluate such things, almost certainly didn’t end Tuesday.
“I would say at least half of the teams that were here today would have some interest,” the AL scout said. “I don’t know to what extent, and I’m still processing my own thoughts. But at the end of the day, he’s interesting, for sure.”
Well, he won't have to live on $1,500 per month:
Dave Dombrowski wouldn't comment on Tebow's potential. He didn't feel it was right to comment and affect his chances. He did say it's very unlikely the Sox would be involved.
Just read between the lines on what he did say. However, the Sox don't need any 30+ outfielders. They have three young starters (Bradly, Betts and Benintendi), capable backups (Young and Holt) and a loaded farm system.
I find it really funny that the scouts who liked him are willing to give their names. The scouts who didn't all remain "anonymous". Seems some of those guys had already decided that he wasn't going to get a shot. I'm guessing they want to remain anonymous so they don't look like fools if by chance he ends up being worth something. Kind of like him in football.....I think for whatever reason a lot of teams just weren't willing to give him a shot even if they thought he could play. Not sure what this guy has ever done to people....but it seems like the ones who hate him....just hate him
I wished he would of just signed to a team that is willing to work with him and give him a chance. I don't see the need of a tryout and go to the highest bidder type environment.
The Doctor posted:I wished he would of just signed to a team that is willing to work with him and give him a chance. I don't see the need of a tryout and go to the highest bidder type environment.
You see the need. ... hype. The man misses the spotlight.
RJM makes a good point. The sports spotlight is all this kid has known for most of his adult life. The only thing he knows how to do is be an athlete. He has been told how great an athlete he is for so long that he just can't let it go. He has few other marketable skills. His major in "family, community and youth sciences" doesn't give him many options, at least not the options he wants. He's grasping at straws at this point.
You and RJM have made completely unfair conjectures as to the man's motives. Furthermore, the guy has plenty of money, and despite his degree, could go out an do any number of things. His name would get him by in insurance, pharm. sales, opening a car dealership or whatever he wanted. He would kill it.
If Tebow were interested in lime-light, and riches, I'm pretty sure that he wouldn't go the minor league baseball route. Not real glamourous.
If Tebow were a high school senior, people would be drooling over his potential. It's not like he sucks. Is he too old for his level of raw potential? Maybe. But the minors are full of guys who are roster fillers for the real prospects. Are they delusional? Are they in it for the lime-light? Are they taking a true prospect's place?
Matt13 posted:2020dad posted:G There are so many horrific back up and third string qb's in the nfl. I truly believe he is out of work because of his strong religious beliefs. What a sad world we live in.
No, he's out of work because he's no good as an NFL quarterback, not because of some made-up Christian persecution.
Agreed. His strong religious beliefs have nothing to do with it. The real problem is that he can be a good NFL quarterback, but only in a specific system built around him. So, if he's your starter, you're SOL if he goes down because you'll have to change your system entirely for the backup to take over and, if he's your backup, you will need to change your system if he has to take over.
And the scouts that downplayed his baseball performance are realists. He can obviously hit BP, but so can all sorts of people. It's not remotely clear that he's capable of playing a defensive position, and he's almost 30, and the only guys who debut at his age haven't taken a decade off from baseball beforehand.
Teaching Elder posted:You and RJM have made completely unfair conjectures as to the man's motives. Furthermore, the guy has plenty of money, and despite his degree, could go out an do any number of things. His name would get him by in insurance, pharm. sales, opening a car dealership or whatever he wanted. He would kill it.
If Tebow were interested in lime-light, and riches, I'm pretty sure that he wouldn't go the minor league baseball route. Not real glamourous.
If Tebow were a high school senior, people would be drooling over his potential. It's not like he sucks. Is he too old for his level of raw potential? Maybe. But the minors are full of guys who are roster fillers for the real prospects. Are they delusional? Are they in it for the lime-light? Are they taking a true prospect's place?
yes the minors are full of those guys...guys who aren't good enough, lucky enough, missed the window - whatever. Is Tebow one of them? yes I think it is highly probable (I actually think it is certain but it doesn't matter) most of those guys have no skills outside of baseball, no professional network, they have little no name recognition outside the hometown they grew up in and little to no earning potential outside of the game...so where are they are going?
They stay there and get what they can, built the personal network, try get a job with an organization, college, travel team - sell lessons on the line of "former pro-player" Honestly who has spent any reasonable amount of time in higher levels of baseball and doesn't know 10 to 20 former pros coaching u-15 or some random age and giving lessons??
Tebow in theory doesn't need to do that, he isn't going to make the MLB and he is just creating a show...he may be genuine, talented and very good man...I also believe he is an attention freak.
For me it all comes down to the fact he is 30 years old. How quickly will he have to develop to be able to actually help a team? Doing this at a time in your life when you are on the backside not the front side? Now if he were 20 years old. Big strong athletic kid. Runs well. Yes his swing is stiff and has issues. But there is time to develop it. Yep got to give this kid a shot.
I like Tim. I thought in the right system he could have helped an NFL team win games. But that's just my opinion. He doesn't have the arm to win in the type's of offensive systems NFL teams run. The NFL game and the college game are two entirely different games especially for QB's.
I expect that someone is going to give him a shot. I hope he proves me wrong and lights it up. I certainly wouldn't put any money on that happening. But then again I have been wrong before that's for sure. Why is he doing it? I don't think it has anything to do with trying to stay in the limelight. He could go into politics and be in the limelight. I think it's about the desire to compete at the highest level you can compete. He is driven and misses that. He needs the juice that competition brings. I wish him well I think he's a great guy.
Curious if all you guys thought the same thing about Michael Jordan. He had absolutely no baseball ability whatsoever....yet everyone loved the fact that he played minor league baseball. He was like the circus coming to town....the teams played it up for all it was worth. Tebow isn't looking for that....and he is a much better baseball player than Jordan was when he tried to break into MILB
You don't find too many athletes that don't try to hang on. It's part of their competitive nature. I don't have a problem with him giving it his best shot. In fact, I admire it. Yes, he has some "unfair advantages" with getting a good look. Not his fault. In fact, he largely earned that advantage through his other efforts and accomplishments made elsewhere.
As far as baseball skills, the short links to his BP cuts prior to yesterday's workout provided some element of intrigue. Of course, we all knew the speed, strength and athleticism were there. He has proven he can handle being on the big stage. Then the clips came out from yesterday. The earlier concerns about hitting decent pitching effectively at this late stage were largely validated. His defense, arm, throwing motion and glove action appeared quite behind for what he is trying to accomplish. He is not that good of a hitter or advanced enough to invest in to just be a DH. I applaud the effort but don't see it happening.
I don't believe it is his intention, but I think the only reason he may get a shot somewhere is to put more butts in seats for a short period of time.
cabbagedad posted:
but I think the only reason he may get a shot somewhere is to put more butts in seats for a short period of time.
I think this is spot on, it is certainly part of reason I don't feel the need to take it seriously.
"He has proven he can handle being on the big stage. Then the clips came out from yesterday. The earlier concerns about hitting decent pitching effectively at this late stage were largely validated. "
A couple of things to note, and I'm not trying to make Tim out to be something that he's not, but. His BP was pretty darned good. Put him in most any pro-style workout, and he probably garners some attention. He can mash.
Secondly: Its tough to tell how he did against the live pitching - apparently he did better against Aardsma, but these are former MLB relief pitchers who were also trying to prove themselves to MLB clubs. From the reports I've read, he hit the ball solidly several times, and had some good licks including a double. Not too shabby. Especially for a guy who's been out of the game for a while and is going against highest level pitchers.
I don't know what happens with Tim. The cards are stacked against him, I guess.
Judge for yourself but if this is his current swing not sure who judged this as being very good.
Buckeye 2015 posted:.... Tebow isn't looking for that....and he is a much better baseball player than Jordan was when he tried to break into MILB
Maybe you are looking at something I am not but Jordan at least seemed to have decent hitting mechanics.
Tebow:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBjv7mmjsUg
Jordan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K18K7ue5Ymg and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=104Y6jan4E4
He really shouldn't have faced those guys in a live hitting situation. I'm sure there are a couple of former college pitchers hanging around USC, either on the staff, or still in school that would have been a better fit for him to hit against. You wouldn't expect a high school prospect, or even a college guy, to come out and showcase against major league talent.
On a another note, Tebow keeps getting bigger and more muscular. He's more of a monster now than ever before. Based on his 60 time and the basic eyeball test, he looks more and more like a true NFL fullback/tight end/H-back combo type player.
He definitely has a thing for working out. I'm not going to bag on him for it though.
I do wonder how much stretching he does. I wonder if he qualifies as "obese"? If he weren't so muscular would he be a bit faster? Would he throw better?
He had a 45 for an arm. That is about 43 points higher than mine. I can't throw 90 feet without a 45 degree arc anymore - shoddy labrum and all. I take that back. I could throw 90 feet on a line...once. Then it would be off tot he emergency room.
He was listed at 6'3" 255 for the baseball workout. Ran a 4.72 40 at the NFL combine at 6'3" 236lbs. Based on his 60 time, he hasn't lost any speed, despite his age and weight gain.
His 60 was really very good for a big, power guy. How many current MLB players at 245lbs or higher can run that time??? I'm guessing a lot of current MLB guys ran sub 6.7 as 18 year olds, and several of the true speed guys ran 6.5 or lower. Have those guys maintained that speed with additional weight gain, age, and the wear and tear of playing a 162 game season?
Stafford posted:His 60 was really very good for a big, power guy. How many current MLB players at 245lbs or higher can run that time??? I'm guessing a lot of current MLB guys ran sub 6.7 as 18 year olds, and several of the true speed guys ran 6.5 or lower. Have those guys maintained that speed with additional weight gain, age, and the wear and tear of playing a 162 game season?
Agreed. However, Tebow hasn't had the wear & tear of a 162 game season though. In terms of size & speed, Trout & Puig come to mind. Tebow is even bigger than them though. I'm not all saying he has the Baseball skills of Trout or Puig of course.
What was demonstrated was how incredible NFL athletes are. For his size to generate that much power shows how special they are. (as well as how brutal the sport can be on their bodies) No wonder they last, on average, three years. Baseball. Meh. He looked like what essentially he was - a linebacker swinging a bat really hard. Can you say bat drag... At some point the extra body mass works against you in baseball, the only similar baseball athlete I can think of is Yasiel Puig, and the Dodgers worked hard for him to get his weight down mostly for durability as others have pointed out. Tebow's only value on a baseball team would be to hit the ball out of the park, which takes very fine hand eye coordination and 1) He has to demonstrate that he has it at an elite level. 2) He is running out of runway at 29. 3) His timing was very strange, minor league ball is wrapping up in the next couple of weeks. Nice guy, was fun in the media for a week, college football is starting up and all will be forgotten.
2 days post workout and Tebow is under an umbrella now in Knoxville doing pre-game for SEC Network. Lucky guy gets to see APPALACHIAN STATE FOOTBALL tonight in their season opener.
Stafford posted:2 days post workout and Tebow is under an umbrella now in Knoxville doing pre-game for SEC Network. Lucky guy gets to see APPALACHIAN STATE FOOTBALL tonight in their season opener.
Yeah but that is just a hobby!
So far one of the Venezuela teams in the Carribean League and Bridgeport CT, an Indy are calling. Playing in the Carribean League would be a good idea. But not for a Venezuelan team. Indy ball doesn't start until June. I doubt a MLB franchise would sacrifice a top prospect's playing time in fall instructional ball..
Fall instructs, winter ball, spring training, extended spring training, and a summer of rookie ball, we should see what the boy"s got by this time next year. My guess would be low A.
Stafford posted:He was listed at 6'3" 255 for the baseball workout. Ran a 4.72 40 at the NFL combine at 6'3" 236lbs. Based on his 60 time, he hasn't lost any speed, despite his age and weight gain.
His 60 was really very good for a big, power guy. How many current MLB players at 245lbs or higher can run that time??? I'm guessing a lot of current MLB guys ran sub 6.7 as 18 year olds, and several of the true speed guys ran 6.5 or lower. Have those guys maintained that speed with additional weight gain, age, and the wear and tear of playing a 162 game season?
He did run well, but I also read somewhere that they positioned the run so he was running downhill. Obviously that would skew the times some. Still impressive though.
The Doctor posted:Fall instructs, winter ball, spring training, extended spring training, and a summer of rookie ball, we should see what the boy"s got by this time next year. My guess would be low A.
Micro-insult. 
rynoattack posted:Stafford posted:He was listed at 6'3" 255 for the baseball workout. Ran a 4.72 40 at the NFL combine at 6'3" 236lbs. Based on his 60 time, he hasn't lost any speed, despite his age and weight gain.
His 60 was really very good for a big, power guy. How many current MLB players at 245lbs or higher can run that time??? I'm guessing a lot of current MLB guys ran sub 6.7 as 18 year olds, and several of the true speed guys ran 6.5 or lower. Have those guys maintained that speed with additional weight gain, age, and the wear and tear of playing a 162 game season?
He did run well, but I also read somewhere that they positioned the run so he was running downhill. Obviously that would skew the times some. Still impressive though.
Wasn't it held at USC's field? Do they have that much of a slope?
The Doctor posted:Fall instructs, winter ball, spring training, extended spring training, and a summer of rookie ball, we should see what the boy"s got by this time next year. My guess would be low A.
My guess is he doesn't get a shot with organized baseball. If he does low A would be where he starts. But with his age the expectation would be rising to AA by the end of the season AA/AAA/Majors the following season or he's cut. He will be 30 next season and 31 the year after. If he's not in the majors by 31 it's a waste of time. If he's a marginal MLBer it's a waste of time versus developing a young player.
i don't see any MLB organizations trying to get the jump over another organization on signing him.
Couple of videos up on Youtube. Meh. One hitting from the outfield view and one from the side view. Also, can see the throws from the outfield. It's not good. I'm not a scout or have any experience evaluating talent. But, it's not good. I would definitely want this guy on my slowpitch team.
He's a good looking guy with a great college football resume. And he's inspirational and a good guy. He should stick to SEC Network. Or become an H-back/fullback/tight end in the NFL.
The envelop please.
And the most desperate team in MLB baseball appears to be ....
.... drum roll please
.... The Atlanta Braves
He'll look like the Hulk next to those fresh out of high school kids in Danville, VA next summer.
He'll also give them someone to look up to, will provide a good positive influence upon the team and will be able to model dedication, humility, persistence and the over-all value of working hard, having goals and challenging the odds as well as the nay-sayers. All key intangibles for aspiring big leaguers. Braves end up the winners by inviting him into their clubhouse.
uuhhh, not a "nay-sayer", but just feeling an old illness coming back.
groggy tired agitated state one is in when they have had more than enough Tim Tebow stories/hype on the TV, radio, and internet. ESPN is a large cause and side effect of this medical condition.
Teaching Elder posted:He'll also give them someone to look up to, will provide a good positive influence upon the team and will be able to model dedication, humility, persistence and the over-all value of working hard, having goals and challenging the odds as well as the nay-sayers. All key intangibles for aspiring big leaguers. Braves end up the winners by inviting him into their clubhouse.
Or he'll foster animosity that he's getting all the attention despite not being as good (or as dedicated) at baseball as them and that he's taking a roster spot that should be going to someone with a potential baseball future (or that he's taken the spot of someone they knew and liked).
That's not idle speculation, many of Jordan's baseball teammates were reported to feel similarly back in the day, in spite of his financial generosity towards the team (as I recall, he wasn't interested in travelling in MiLB style, so he anted up for better transportation for the team).
I am a TT fan. I don't get whether this is a publicity stunt on his part, or just goes to show you how desperate teams are to sell tickets. Always remember folks, this business is all about business.
The season is just about over for milb teams. So I am assuming he has to go through spring training next year to make a roster. He will be 30, which means he has to make a AAA roster, which means he will be taking someone else's spot who has worked years to get there.
Mind boggling.
He did. He bought them a nice bus.
If they felt that way, then they should have looked in the mirror. Most of them were just roster fillers as well. Jordan took the place of absolutely zero true prospects.
Baseball players are notoriously arrogant, petty and disparaging of others. Those guys needed to get some perspective.
Teaching Elder posted:He did. He bought them a nice bus.
If they felt that way, then they should have looked in the mirror. Most of them were just roster fillers as well. Jordan took the place of absolutely zero true prospects.
Baseball players are notoriously arrogant, petty and disparaging of others. Those guys needed to get some perspective.
This may well be true. Having Tebow taking up a likely undeserved roster spot isn't going to make that problem better.
Very few of them "Deserve" a roster spot. That's why they get paid $1500/month. Almost all are expendable crew members who will get killed when they teleport down to the planet to check things out.
Teaching Elder posted:Very few of them "Deserve" a roster spot. That's why they get paid $1500/month. Almost all are expendable crew members who will get killed when they teleport down to the planet to check things out.
I was talking AAA and most of them makevptwtty good mobey being former MLB guys.
And yes, there is always some type of resentment when this happens.
Is there some rule saying that 30 year olds must be on a AAA roster?
I disagree with a lot of the people in baseball that are against what Tebow is trying to do.
He is a Heismann Trophy winner and arguably one of the most "famous" football players ever. Many say that if he would have switched positions he would still be in the NFL.
How many other people can create this much attention for the game of baseball? I really don't care if he makes it or not, that will be up to him and whoever gives him the opportunity. Tebow must have more than a million football fans and it would be great if he plays baseball, but most important is that he is out there showing people he "wants" to play baseball.
Most baseball fans don't know much about first round picks and prospects. But pretty much everyone knows who Tim Tebow is! Baseball people should thank him for showing so much interest and bringing so much attention to the game we love.
Teaching Elder posted:Is there some rule saying that 30 year olds must be on a AAA roster?
Why not look up a minor AAA league roster and do the homework yourself.
While I am a fan of TT, I dont agree with Jerrys post. How many football fans are going to follow milb baseball because thats where he is going to start, not on a ML roster.
In spring training Tebow will get more attention than established players and top prospects. That's going to piss off a lot of ball players. About a week after being assigned to a minor league team he will be forgotten news except on ESPN. Every time Tebow hits a homer or drives in a run he will be on ESPN. They use Tebow for ratings.
I'm guessing he starts the season in low full season A. But there will be an expectation to be AAA ready by the end of the season. If he's not in AAA next spring with an expected call up by July 1 it's all a waste of time given his age.
He would have been better off trying to comeback as a knuckleballer. They're just getting started in their 30's. They pitch into their 40's.
TPM posted:I am a TT fan. I don't get whether this is a publicity stunt on his part, or just goes to show you how desperate teams are to sell tickets. Always remember folks, this business is all about business.
The season is just about over for milb teams. So I am assuming he has to go through spring training next year to make a roster. He will be 30, which means he has to make a AAA roster, which means he will be taking someone else's spot who has worked years to get there.
Mind boggling.
Many of the best baseball players in MLB are not recognizable by the casual fan. If Adidas wants to promote their line of baseball gear, or football gear too, or crossfit gear or whatever, Tebow is more recognizable that most anyone currently playing.
Let's say there's a cutout figure in Dick's Sporting goods of Altuve and another of Tebow. Whether he makes it or not, who will most people recognize?
TPM posted:Teaching Elder posted:Is there some rule saying that 30 year olds must be on a AAA roster?
Why not look up a minor AAA league roster and do the homework yourself.
While I am a fan of TT, I dont agree with Jerrys post. How many football fans are going to follow milb baseball because thats where he is going to start, not on a ML roster.
I'm not trying to be snarky. I have never heard of such a rule. If it exists I'd like to know.
I would assume he would start out at low A or Rookie ball just like most others. He would get a chance to move up as he performed appropriately at various levels. He won't get a chance to hold back any true prospects, and won't be gifted the show any more than MJ was. He is very little different than the scads of late round guys that get taken each year on the off chance that maybe they might pan-out only to end up getting let go within two years. The fact is, if a players doesn't go in the top 2 rounds, they are likely roster fillers and won't make it. Yet they hang on, sometimes for years, much to the chagrin of their parents and significant others who wish they'd get a real job.
If Tebow wants to while his time away in the minor leagues, he's good enough to do it. Go ahead, be my guest. He absolutely will NOT be keeping any true prospects out of the league anymore than another late rounder.
I just think it is great that Tebow is big news these days and it is because of baseball. In some ways he is the biggest story in baseball the last few weeks. The same thing would happen if he decided to be a stock car driver. This is a Heismann Trophy winner wanting to play baseball. I like it when baseball is the biggest story out there. And just like Michael Jordan it says a lot about the game, that these type guys want to play baseball.
He can either do it or he can't. If he can't do it, he will be out of the game. I don't think he can do it. But what on earth is wrong with him trying. I'm hoping it is more than just a publicity stunt, don't think he needs the publicity.
As far as pissing off teammates, I actually know a guy that was on Jordan's baseball team. He loved it! Big crowds, luxury bus, lots of fun, etc. Jordan drew so much interest that the rest of the team was very relaxed.
I know everyone doesn't share my opinion and that is OK, too.
Teaching Elder posted:Is there some rule saying that 30 year olds must be on a AAA roster?
It's kind of an unwritten rule of development once 27 and in AA it's, " See ya, enjoy the rest of your life."
I know the Seadogs (Red Sox AA) have a 27 year old. But they had huge holes in their roster, a second consecutive last place season and decreasing crowds. Tavares hit .335. He was needed. He was actually sent down from AAA when there wasn't room for him.. He's a career AAAA player at best.
AAAA - A lifer AAA player who goes up and down from AAA with occasional two week roster filler stints in MLB when someone hits the DL. He gets released every couple of years. But he always finds a new AAA home until he's in his 30's. Then they go home or become MiLB coaches.
Teaching Elder posted:TPM posted:Teaching Elder posted:Is there some rule saying that 30 year olds must be on a AAA roster?
Why not look up a minor AAA league roster and do the homework yourself.
While I am a fan of TT, I dont agree with Jerrys post. How many football fans are going to follow milb baseball because thats where he is going to start, not on a ML roster.
I'm not trying to be snarky. I have never heard of such a rule. If it exists I'd like to know.
I would assume he would start out at low A or Rookie ball just like most others. He would get a chance to move up as he performed appropriately at various levels. He won't get a chance to hold back any true prospects, and won't be gifted the show any more than MJ was. He is very little different than the scads of late round guys that get taken each year on the off chance that maybe they might pan-out only to end up getting let go within two years. The fact is, if a players doesn't go in the top 2 rounds, they are likely roster fillers and won't make it. Yet they hang on, sometimes for years, much to the chagrin of their parents and significant others who wish they'd get a real job.
If Tebow wants to while his time away in the minor leagues, he's good enough to do it. Go ahead, be my guest. He absolutely will NOT be keeping any true prospects out of the league anymore than another late rounder.
Where did I say it was a rule. The milb system is based on age. 30 year olds are not found in low A or rookie ball. He is not a draft prospect he is a free agent never played the pro game.
Why would he do that?
Where do you get info from that anyone past the second round is just a roster filler.
Did you see his swing?
RJM posted:Teaching Elder posted:Is there some rule saying that 30 year olds must be on a AAA roster?
It's kind of an unwritten rule of development once 27 and in AA it's, " See ya, enjoy the rest of your life."
I know the Seadogs (Red Sox AA) have a 27 year old. But they had huge holes in their roster, a second consecutive last place season and decreasing crowds. Tavares hit .335. He was needed. He was actually sent down from AAA when there wasn't room for him.. He's a career AAAA player at best.
AAAA - A lifer AAA player who goes up and down from AAA with occasional two week roster filler stints in MLB when someone hits the DL. He gets released every couple of years. But he always finds a new AAA home until he's in his 30's. Then they go home or become MiLB coaches.
I was not aware of these unwritten rules. I was aware that 26 years old is supposed to be prime age for athletic ability and mental ability to meet. I was also aware that clubs sign people to help the big team, not be lifer AA players.
So if 26 is the prime of an athlete's career if the player can't get by AA ball by the time he's 27 he's not much of a prospect. If a player can't get moved up to AAA he gets caught from behind by younger prospects. The average AA player is 24.5 years old. The average age in AAA is 27. AAA includes ex MLBers in their 30's hoping for one more shot.
I will stipulate that tebow is older than 24.5.
The Red Sox signed Rusney Castillo for 72M at 26. At 28 they consider him a failure becauses he's at AAA. They're trying to unload him now. Of course no one wants his contact. This isn't a game to start late. Those who do must move quickly to the majors.
http://www.thebaseballcube.com...sp?P=rusney-castillo
Ron LeFlore was signed at 25. He went from A ball to the majors in one year.
http://www.thebaseballcube.com...le.asp?P=ron-leflore
Last night watching the Red Sox game Dave O'Brien (announcer) said Yoan Mocada expected to go straight to the majors when he was signed like many other Cuban players. He said since he's learned you have to pay your dues, prove yourself and it's hard. Thus is coming from one of the top prospects in baseball. Not some guy who's been away from the game for ten years.
TE, you need to familiarize yourself on how the system works. The average time that it takes to develop a player is 4 years, HS players 5, thus the reason for protecting players after 4 years if they haven't already made the ML roster. College drafted players have to hustle, their window of opportunity is a smaller window. Some players go straight to MLB from AA, but that unusual in most cases. Then there are the phenomenons tha we hear about but Tim Tebow is not a phenom. He is an older guy who may be in better physical shape but that doesn't mean he can be successful and yeah chances it may appear he is better, but realistically he would be a man, playing at 30 against players who are still kids.
Pretty sad if this is the way MLB has to sell tickets these days.
Yeah, I've looked over that stuff a couple of times, but since we've never HAD to deal with all of that I forget all of the byzantine rules involved. I would imagine, though, that TT would not have any of those rules pressing against him at this time, since he has not started his playing clock yet.
FWIW, all sports need to sell tickets/merch/TV commercial time, and they use gimmicks and sometimes outright corruption.
NBA uses corruption in officiating in order to favor teams and players to keep the game more interesting. (The Cavs may well have won in James' final year due to a rigged system.) And they are no strangers to gimmicks, e.g. Spud Webb.
MLB tries to promote home runs to sell tickets and make the game interesting. Even if it means largely turning a blind eye to steroid use.
Football works it's rules to promote offense over defense.
Hockey allows people to get in fist-fights on the job, for goodness sakes! Why, it sells tickets and generates interest.
Don't even get me started on "Throwback Uniforms."
Teaching Elder postedDon't even get me started on "Throwback Uniforms."
Trust me I wont.
Spud Webb was talented. The only hype was the dunk contest. He won because he was 5'7" (in the program anyway) and could dunk. Mugsey Bogues was 5'3" and could dunk.
I've heard from a sportwriter who used to cover the Hornets that Bogues could dunk a volleyball. He had the vertical, but his hands were too small to dunk a basketball one handed.
Not to change the subject, but Lebron James in the last three games averaged something like 35 points, 10 assists, 12 rebounds, 3 blocks, 3 steals. Two of the three games were at Golden State. Kylie Irving hit the big shot in the final game after James made a block that will be replayed a million times in basketball history. The NBA didn't do any of the above.
Golden State could have played better, Dramon Green had the greatest game of his career in the final game. Unfortunately he is a loose cannon. Curry looked intimidated. I know his wife went on social media saying it was rigged, but the NBA office didn't cause Lebron's numbers or Kyrie's shot to go in. Golden State had the greatest regular season ever and a 3-1 lead in the series with two of the last three games at home.
How can anyone blame the NBA for what happened? That is just sour grapes! They should blame themselves or better yet they should just say Lebron James and Cleveland accomplished the near impossible.
Does anyone think that the NBA office or anyone else on earth thought Golden State would lose three games in a row with two of them at home?
Seems like you can blame Golden State or give credit to Cleveland, but claiming it was rigged is an excuse that doesn't make sense to anyone except maybe a Warrior fan.
Did Tebow play basketball in high school? Just wondering if this baseball thing doesn't work out...
No, I think he was a bowler.
I'm no Warriors fan. I'm not even an NBA fan. I doubt I've watched an entire NBA game in my life.
I do know, however, that a former referee was sentence to prison because he was able to predict game outcomes based upon who was refereeing particular games!
He also implicated the league for discouraging fouls and especially technical fouls and for allowing certain players outrageous leeway and for encouraging corrupt officiating. He confirms that the 2002 play offs were rigged.
The NBA has been manipulating things for quitte some time. They systemically allow guys several extra steps with the ball in order to provide showmanship dunks.
Ticket/commercial airtime/ merchandise sales drive most all sports.
Mookie Betts- State Champ bowler in HS!
There you go!!
Teaching Elder posted:I'm no Warriors fan. I'm not even an NBA fan. I doubt I've watched an entire NBA game in my life.
I do know, however, that a former referee was sentence to prison because he was able to predict game outcomes based upon who was refereeing particular games!
He also implicated the league for discouraging fouls and especially technical fouls and for allowing certain players outrageous leeway and for encouraging corrupt officiating. He confirms that the 2002 play offs were rigged.
The NBA has been manipulating things for quitte some time. They systemically allow guys several extra steps with the ball in order to provide showmanship dunks.
Ticket/commercial airtime/ merchandise sales drive most all sports.
IOW, "I don't know anything about the NBA, but it's totally rigged." Let me guess, you think casino's setup poker hands for action, in-person voter fraud is a thing, and that "man-on-the-street" reporting is completely representative of the opinions/knowledge of people at large.
Consider, how often do extremely unlikely things happen in a world where countless things happen every second? Also, maybe, a little something on Occam's Razor would be good reading.
Mugsy Bogues to poker to Occam's Razor in a conversation about Tim Tebow.
Well, I'll see your Razor and raise you Copernicus.
jacjacatk posted:Teaching Elder posted:I'm no Warriors fan. I'm not even an NBA fan. I doubt I've watched an entire NBA game in my life.
I do know, however, that a former referee was sentence to prison because he was able to predict game outcomes based upon who was refereeing particular games!
He also implicated the league for discouraging fouls and especially technical fouls and for allowing certain players outrageous leeway and for encouraging corrupt officiating. He confirms that the 2002 play offs were rigged.
The NBA has been manipulating things for quitte some time. They systemically allow guys several extra steps with the ball in order to provide showmanship dunks.
Ticket/commercial airtime/ merchandise sales drive most all sports.
IOW, "I don't know anything about the NBA, but it's totally rigged." Let me guess, you think casino's setup poker hands for action, in-person voter fraud is a thing, and that "man-on-the-street" reporting is completely representative of the opinions/knowledge of people at large.
Consider, how often do extremely unlikely things happen in a world where countless things happen every second? Also, maybe, a little something on Occam's Razor would be good reading.
Not sure if serious.
The NBA isn't rigged. Steph Curry never came back from his injury 100%. His post injury shooting numbers are not good. like most sports leg injuries effect the mechanics all the way up the body. The Warriors still had a chance to close it out at home up 3-1. But Draymon Green acted like an idiot and hurt his team.
If the NBA because if one ref so is rigged so is MLB due to the 1919 White Sox. Let's be real. They're isolated incidents. Tim Donahy rigged some regular season games. No one is paying attention. It would be noticed if a ref tried to rig a finals.
The poster who brought up traveling must not have watched an NBA game in the past five years. The NBA drastically cut down on the three steps to the hoop. Superstars still get preferred calls. But that's true in any sport.
RJM posted:The NBA isn't rigged. Steph Curry never came back from his injury 100%. His post injury shooting numbers are not good. like most sports leg injuries effect the mechanics all the way up the body. The Warriors still had a chance to close it out at home up 3-1. But Draymon Green acted like an idiot and hurt his team.
If the NBA because if one ref so is rigged so is MLB due to the 1919 White Sox. Let's be real. They're isolated incidents. Tim Donahy rigged some regular season games. No one is paying attention. It would be noticed if a ref tried to rig a finals.
The poster who brought up traveling must not have watched an NBA game in the past five years. The NBA drastically cut down on the three steps to the hoop. Superstars still get preferred calls. But that's true in any sport.
No one is saying that one Ref is rigged. I am saying that one Ref. gave proof that numerous Refs were rigged. He has also stated that the NBA was orchestrating it.
The muscular, 255-pound former Heisman Trophy Award winner impressed with his raw power – he hit one long home run during the workout — and above-average speed, though his swing and defensive skills would presumably need plenty of work if he hoped to advance up the minor league chain and someday realize his goal of playing in the majors.
- Atlanta Constitution, Monday
How long does a 30yo get to revamp his swing and improve his defensive skills? Can he track a ball up the gap or over his head?
Teaching Elder posted:RJM posted:The NBA isn't rigged. Steph Curry never came back from his injury 100%. His post injury shooting numbers are not good. like most sports leg injuries effect the mechanics all the way up the body. The Warriors still had a chance to close it out at home up 3-1. But Draymon Green acted like an idiot and hurt his team.
If the NBA because if one ref so is rigged so is MLB due to the 1919 White Sox. Let's be real. They're isolated incidents. Tim Donahy rigged some regular season games. No one is paying attention. It would be noticed if a ref tried to rig a finals.
The poster who brought up traveling must not have watched an NBA game in the past five years. The NBA drastically cut down on the three steps to the hoop. Superstars still get preferred calls. But that's true in any sport.
No one is saying that one Ref is rigged. I am saying that one Ref. gave proof that numerous Refs were rigged. He has also stated that the NBA was orchestrating it.
There was no proof. Also, in response to one of your prior posts, he was not convicted of rigging games.
RJM posted:The NBA isn't rigged. Steph Curry never came back from his injury 100%. His post injury shooting numbers are not good. like most sports leg injuries effect the mechanics all the way up the body. The Warriors still had a chance to close it out at home up 3-1. But Draymon Green acted like an idiot and hurt his team.
If the NBA because if one ref so is rigged so is MLB due to the 1919 White Sox. Let's be real. They're isolated incidents. Tim Donahy rigged some regular season games. No one is paying attention. It would be noticed if a ref tried to rig a finals.
The poster who brought up traveling must not have watched an NBA game in the past five years. The NBA drastically cut down on the three steps to the hoop. Superstars still get preferred calls. But that's true in any sport.
Is there evidence that MLB stars get better calls? People said that maddux got a bigger Zone and maybe that was true but if we talk just about the pitch fx era, is there evidence for that? is kris bryant more likely to get a ball on the black called a ball than Chris coghlan? is kershaw more likely to get it called a strike than scott feldman?
There was no proof. Also, in response to one of your prior posts, he was not convicted of rigging games.
There was proof. No, the Ref. in question didn't rig games. What he did was collude with gamblers to determine who was most likely to win games due to knowing who was going to be refereeing certain match ups. In truth, he should not have been the one to be convicted. The referees in question should have been. He's just the guy who got caught with the underworld guys.
The fact that this guy could successfully predict games, but wasn't fixing them, is strong evidence of widespread malfeasance in the NBA refereeing ranks. He also stated that the League was encouraging such behavior. Did the League say, "You got us"? Nope. I've never seen a head of a non-profit, business CEO, politician or judge who didn't deny, deny, deny when they were fingered. I'm not saying that being fingered and denying automatically makes one guilty. However, denying doesn't make one not guilty either. In this case we have enough evidence to make a wise individual think twice about gambling in the NBA.
I got a chance to check out all the footage of Tebow and...
Hitting - He's obviously got tremendous power. The surprising thing was that he could catch up to a fastball. His timing needs work, but his swing looks much improved.
Fielding - He doesn't read the ball very well. Happy feet is good for football, not in baseball. As for his arm, he needs to make adjustments on how he throws the ball as all but one of his throws took at least 1 bounce. He's got good velocity, just needs more spin on the ball.
It's not like teams don't keep somewhat longer in the tooth players around in the minors long after it's obvious they have no future because they offer guidance for younger players. Think what you will (and I have never been a big fan of Tebow and his public displays of Christianity on the field), Tebow makes a good role model for younger players. Why wouldn't you want to expose your young players to that kind of work effort, moral backbone, and resilience. I can't see any 18-21 year old athletes holding it against him. Heck, I see it as a win-win situation. Braves get a quality individual to help guide a bunch of young kids and Tebow gets to see what he can do.
hsbaseball101 posted:I got a chance to check out all the footage of Tebow and...
Hitting - He's obviously got tremendous power. The surprising thing was that he could catch up to a fastball. His timing needs work, but his swing looks much improved.
Fielding - He doesn't read the ball very well. Happy feet is good for football, not in baseball. As for his arm, he needs to make adjustments on how he throws the ball as all but one of his throws took at least 1 bounce. He's got good velocity, just needs more spin on the ball.
I'm amazed at how many younger kids can catch up to high velocity these days. We got a chance to go up against a kid who throws 91-94 this weekend and our mostly 2019 team had little trouble catching up to the velocity. Now, they didn't pound the guy, but they got four solid hits in four innings and didn't strike out excessively.
Mets vs Nationals - neither harper nor granderson made strong or accurate throws to home plate in attempts to get a base runner out at the plate. Neither was deep. Just an observation.
2forU posted:Mets vs Nationals - neither harper nor granderson made strong or accurate throws to home plate in attempts to get a base runner out at the plate. Neither was deep. Just an observation.
Two guys who've proved capable of making good throws (Harper at least has a rep for having a solid arm, I'm not as up on Granderson) are not counter-examples because of a single bad throw. Having watched Tebow, I'm not convinced he'll ever have anything approaching an average MLB OF arm.
Not that that alone would disqualify him, since plenty of noodle-armed OF have had MLB careers. The vast majority of them could hit MLB breaking balls or had other redeeming offensive qualities, which Tebow is also a long ways from proving he can match.
hsbaseball101 posted:I got a chance to check out all the footage of Tebow and...
Hitting - He's obviously got tremendous power. The surprising thing was that he could catch up to a fastball. His timing needs work, but his swing looks much improved.
Fielding - He doesn't read the ball very well. Happy feet is good for football, not in baseball. As for his arm, he needs to make adjustments on how he throws the ball as all but one of his throws took at least 1 bounce. He's got good velocity, just needs more spin on the ball.
Happy feet is a major negative in football. It was one of several criticisms of Tebow. He got nervous in the pocket and took off before going through his reads. The Patriots, with the 31st ranked defense stuffed Tebow twice with a controlled rush, making him stay in the pocket and forcing him to go through his reads. They got sacks when Tebow held on to the ball for six, seven seconds. When he took off quickly he ran right into sacks.
It seems to me that power is the great deodorizer. It is the ultimate Band-Aid, the one thing that if you do, you receive forgiveness for any other shortcomings in your game. If you hit homeruns, you can bat .200-230, and be among the league leaders in strikeouts. Defense is kind of a whatever, since half the teams in the majors have one player who doesn't play defense.
If I am in charge of Tampa' s PR dept. I would give him Tebow a contract to play in the remaining home games. They have been last in attendance for the last 4-5 years. Could Tebow draw an extra 10-20,000 fans per game? Base the contract on attendance, Tebow gets a buck a head for every fan in the seat over the average attendance.
If I am in charge of Tampa's ( or any other team) baseball operations I would pass on the opportunity.
if he wanted to play baseball so bad why wasn't he on somebody's summer team. Lots of Indy or mens leagues out there. Show the world how good you are by playing, not by doing one showcase and expecting a contract.
And the Mets pull the trigger. Will be interesting to follow.
ESPN's Adam Shefter broke the story and says Tebow will play in the Arizona Fall League.
Stafford posted:ESPN's Adam Shefter broke the story and says Tebow will play in the Arizona Fall League.
I looked up that tweet because it's so surprising. It says AZ Fall League or Instructional League. The Fall League is a high profile league loaded with elite prospects. I can't see them throwing him into that so soon unless they are really confident of his abilities or figure that it's sink-or-swim time for him right now.
I read elsewhere he's going to the instructional league.....though JCG has a point....maybe just throw him to the sharks and see what happens....at least they'll know and not have to worry about it come spring
OTOH, from the one AZ Fall League game I've attended, it looks like the players, scouts, and girlfriends far outnumber the fans. Maybe they want to sell some tickets.
Nah.... the teams are made up of players from different teams. That doesn't make sense.
The Mers just stoled the headlines from the Yankees today and when fall instructional play starts. That's all I see.
You would think with Tebow's current level of ability and playing beat the clock with his age he would be committed to becoming the best baseball player he can be as fast as possible?
No! He needs time off for his real job. His signing is nothing but a publicity stunt. He's an ego driven athlete who misses the spotlight.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/...0908-snap-story.html