I'm not a betting man, but if I were I'd sure put my money on the fact that I doubt Adam James would be welcomed on ANY football program after this is all said and done.
Don't forget what we've all heard for some time from scouts, when you sign the kid, you sign the parents.
Put a fork in him, his football playing days are over.
If the kid a is attending the bowl game is he going there on his own dime or the schools?
A few more tidbits from Lubbock Land-
"Former Auburn coach Tommy Tuberville became the second coach to acknowledge interest in the job opening – joining Ruffin McNeill, the Tech defensive coordinator and interim head coach."
"The Associated Press reported police have increased patrols of the family home in Celina because of Internet threats to James, who is the son of Craig James, an ESPN football analyst and former SMU star."
"Former Auburn coach Tommy Tuberville became the second coach to acknowledge interest in the job opening – joining Ruffin McNeill, the Tech defensive coordinator and interim head coach."
"The Associated Press reported police have increased patrols of the family home in Celina because of Internet threats to James, who is the son of Craig James, an ESPN football analyst and former SMU star."
I'd take everything Mike Leach says with a huge grain of salt, just as I would with Craig James. There's probably truth somewhere in the middle of it all. But I'm not surprised Leach came out with both barrels blasting. He's showing the same sort of uncompromising, bombastic attitude that got him fired by TT for insubordination. He sued his employer instead of trying to work the problem out. The James kid and his dad might indeed be complete pains in the butt, but Leach's actions in handling the situation showed that he thought he was bigger than the university. You just can't be like that. And I'd still like to get the full story on the seriousness of the injury.
As a Texas Tech alum, it is a sad day to be a Red Raider. Leach had definitely made football fun in Lubbock! College Game Day there last year, etc. The high graduation rate, the bowl games, etc.
Very upsetting to read the emails from the administration about the contract negotiations from last year. The whole situation has not been handled well by anyone and the Red Raider community is furious and 95% behind Leach. On Facebook - "Team Leach" has 36,000 members and is growing each minute.
There is always more to the story that I doubt we will ever hear about....
One thing my husband and I noticed - did you hear (in the long ESPN interview) Coach Leach talk about Adam coming to practice with his baseball cap on backwards? We laughed - coaches never change - they hate the backward caps!
Very upsetting to read the emails from the administration about the contract negotiations from last year. The whole situation has not been handled well by anyone and the Red Raider community is furious and 95% behind Leach. On Facebook - "Team Leach" has 36,000 members and is growing each minute.
There is always more to the story that I doubt we will ever hear about....
One thing my husband and I noticed - did you hear (in the long ESPN interview) Coach Leach talk about Adam coming to practice with his baseball cap on backwards? We laughed - coaches never change - they hate the backward caps!
I want to say this, after reading and watching everything, I support Coach Leach 100%.
His own statements vs. the James kid and family, if it's not the truth, then it'll come out in the wash.
Think about this, this man's career was destroyed at Texas Tech in which the James kid and family assisted with ... so for Mr. Leach to fire back with what I believe his truthful side of the story is only natural.
The man is defending himself since he has been attacked and removed from this position.
Wonder why some folks inside the walls are defending Coach Leach now? Do you think they would fear for their own job?
"The Truth shall set your free"
Just my own honest opinion and respectfully shared.
His own statements vs. the James kid and family, if it's not the truth, then it'll come out in the wash.
Think about this, this man's career was destroyed at Texas Tech in which the James kid and family assisted with ... so for Mr. Leach to fire back with what I believe his truthful side of the story is only natural.
The man is defending himself since he has been attacked and removed from this position.
Wonder why some folks inside the walls are defending Coach Leach now? Do you think they would fear for their own job?
"The Truth shall set your free"
Just my own honest opinion and respectfully shared.
Let's be clear here...Leach destroyed his own career. And it's not because of the James kid situation. It's because of the way Leach handled his interactions with the school. If you refuse follow the direct order of your manager, you get fired in darn near every job out there. He was fired for insubordination and he'll have a hard time finding a new job because people don't like to hire people that won't follow their boss' orders. Said differently, Leach would have fired any of his assistants had they done the same thing Leach did.
lol...If you really think Leach is going to have trouble finding another job you do not pay close attention to the landscape of college sports. There are tons of colleges that want to get into the lime light and get into top bowls so that they can get the kind of money that Leach has brought to Texas Tech. You have a coach who is the winningest coach in the history of Tech, has gone to a bowl game every year, and has the 3rd highest graduation rate amongst ranked teams, and is ranked 4th for consecutive winning seasons. Yeah this guys is going to have a hard time finding a job. In fact I think this sound familiar. Wasn't there a coach that supposedly was fired for amongst other things insubordination and was never going to coach again. If memory stands correct I believe Texas Tech hired him to run their basketball program.
I believe there is enough blame to go around for everyone in this situation. I also believe that Coach Leach will learn from this situation. If he does he will coach again because he is a brilliant football coach. If he doesnt learn from this situation he might still land a job but he will suffer the same consequences down the road eventually.
To me the real loser in all of this is Adam James. He will be remembered the rest of his life as the son of Craig James who got his college coach fired for __________________________.
Also Craig James will suffer in this as well. Its very hard to watch him do a game without thinking about this situation first.
So there are no winners in all of this just losers. That is pretty much the way these things tend to go.
To me the real loser in all of this is Adam James. He will be remembered the rest of his life as the son of Craig James who got his college coach fired for __________________________.
Also Craig James will suffer in this as well. Its very hard to watch him do a game without thinking about this situation first.
So there are no winners in all of this just losers. That is pretty much the way these things tend to go.
Coach Leach made some comments about the meddling dad that sound like they came right off the pages of this website:
loosely quoted he said, 'at some point don't you have to let the guys who are at practice every day and watch all the film decide who should play in the games?"
loosely quoted he said, 'at some point don't you have to let the guys who are at practice every day and watch all the film decide who should play in the games?"
quote:Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
If you refuse follow the direct order of your manager, you get fired in darn near every job out there.
Any idea what that direct order was?
quote:.....he'll have a hard time finding a new job
Leach can coach tomorrow if he wants to.....Many Colleges will be looking to hire him....
Agree BlueDog. He is not going to have any problem finding a job. The only problem he will have is finding the job he wants.
socal...I didn't say he would never coach again. I said he would have a hard time. I don't expect him to be the HC of as high a profile team as TxTech in 2010.
Antz...as I understand it from the press here in Dallas, the direct order was to sign the letter of apology that also spoke to future conduct and he refused to swallow his ego and do it. So he got suspended. He then decided to sue his employer and his employer didn't seem to care for that approach.
Antz...as I understand it from the press here in Dallas, the direct order was to sign the letter of apology that also spoke to future conduct and he refused to swallow his ego and do it. So he got suspended. He then decided to sue his employer and his employer didn't seem to care for that approach.
quote:Originally posted by Coach_May:
Agree BlueDog. He is not going to have any problem finding a job. The only problem he will have is finding the job he wants.
Well, it won't be as one of the top paid collegiate coaches as he so desired. And he shouldn't be!
I believe Leach will better his old coaching job this time.....College football is about money, money, money....
I think Leach is a better coach than many who get paid alot more than he does. He simply doesnt play the game like many of those guys do. He says what he feels and he doesnt care who likes it. The reason he was so successful at TT is he got alot of kids with a chip on their shoulder for being passed over by the big boys. Guys with something to prove. He attracted kids with the same type of mentality that he has.
What makes guys like Leach so good at what they do also lands them in hot water many times with administrators. Hard headed s o b that can coach his a s s off. I dont see Leach as a guy who is going to suk up to anyone for any reason. Or back down when he believes he is right. Just sayin. I dont have all the facts. Probably never will. One things for sure doing what he believed was the right thing to do was more important than keeping his job to him.
What makes guys like Leach so good at what they do also lands them in hot water many times with administrators. Hard headed s o b that can coach his a s s off. I dont see Leach as a guy who is going to suk up to anyone for any reason. Or back down when he believes he is right. Just sayin. I dont have all the facts. Probably never will. One things for sure doing what he believed was the right thing to do was more important than keeping his job to him.
quote:Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
socal...I didn't say he would never coach again. I said he would have a hard time. I don't expect him to be the HC of as high a profile team as TxTech in 2010.
Agree on both statements. However, was the HC that brought that team to the profile it has today.
quote:as I understand it from the press here in Dallas, the direct order was to sign the letter of apology that also spoke to future conduct and he refused to swallow his ego and do it. So he got suspended.
So are you saying that if your boss forced you to sign a letter of apology and you felt you had nothing to apologize for that you would sign it?
quote:He then decided to sue his employer and his employer didn't seem to care for that approach.
Are you stating that if you felt suspended unjustly you would not fight it?
quote:So are you saying that if your boss forced you to sign a letter of apology and you felt you had nothing to apologize for that you would sign it?
Yep, or risk getting fired for "insubordination" and then fight it later.
Coach, you seem to think employees are the only ones that have rights. You know, employers do as well.
quote:What makes guys like Leach so good at what they do also lands them in hot water many times with administrators.quote]
...and administrators hire.
[quote]I dont see Leach as a guy who is going to suk up to anyone for any reason.
...he's going to have to suk up to get hired. He's not in a position to demand anything.
I do not know about you but if I believe I am correct and that the stories floating around are untrue I do not sign an apology paper---apologize for what? Apologize for what I believe in !--no way in H E L L does that happen in my world and I now believe not in Coach Leach's world either.
Did you read the story that leach took the James kid only because his dad called after nobody else would take the kid ---verrrrrry interresting
Did you read the story that leach took the James kid only because his dad called after nobody else would take the kid ---verrrrrry interresting
quote:One things for sure doing what he believed was the right thing to do was more important than keeping his job to him.
Coach May, you are so correct....
There should be many more just like him....This guy gets my respect.....
There are other ways to handle it socal. It can be discussed, it can be negotiated. He refused to even talk to the Chancellor about it. He gave the Chancellor no choice.
He felt so strongly that was right he wouldn't even discuss it with the Chancellor of TT? That's something a pouting grade schooler does.
He felt so strongly that was right he wouldn't even discuss it with the Chancellor of TT? That's something a pouting grade schooler does.
quote:Originally posted by workinghard:quote:So are you saying that if your boss forced you to sign a letter of apology and you felt you had nothing to apologize for that you would sign it?
Yep, or risk getting fired for "insubordination" and then fight it later.
Coach, you seem to think employees are the only ones that have rights. You know, employers do as well.
Not true, I know employers have rights as well. However, I do not know you so I can not speak of your beliefs. For me though I do not lie nor will I lie. Therefore, I am not putting my signature on a document that I believe to be a lie.
quote:He refused to even talk to the Chancellor about it.
Now, I respect Leach even more....
I dont think so but thats just my opinion. Money. Football is money. Leach can bring in money. He did it at TT. But we will certainly see.
If Bobby Bowden can get ran out of town them Mike Leach can certainly land on his feet. College football is about money.
If Bobby Bowden can get ran out of town them Mike Leach can certainly land on his feet. College football is about money.
Adam James probably just hurt alot of other kids chances to get the same opportunity that he got. What do you think?
quote:Not true, I know employers have rights as well. However, I do not know you so I can not speak of your beliefs. For me though I do not lie nor will I lie. Therefore, I am not putting my signature on a document that I believe to be a lie.
....and right or wrong, it is considered insubordination and you can get fired for it. Obviously you have every right to fight it as well.
But in the meantime, the employer has the upper hand, just ask Coach Leach.
quote:Adam James probably just hurt alot of other kids chances to get the same opportunity that he got. What do you think?
There's no doubt that's true.
quote:Originally posted by Tx-Husker:quote:What makes guys like Leach so good at what they do also lands them in hot water many times with administrators.quote]
...and administrators hire.
[quote]I dont see Leach as a guy who is going to suk up to anyone for any reason.
...he's going to have to suk up to get hired. He's not in a position to demand anything.
No offense, but I think you are wrong on this one.
As socalcoach said, I don't think you really understand the big-time ($$$) college ($$$) football & basketball ($$$) landscape ($$$$$$) today.
quote:Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
Antz...as I understand it from the press here in Dallas, the direct order was to sign the letter of apology that also spoke to future conduct and he refused to swallow his ego and do it. So he got suspended. He then decided to sue his employer and his employer didn't seem to care for that approach.
Yes, I saw that. Sounds like some arm-twisting. He was too smart to fall for that. I'm more concerned with timing of all this. One thing that will be hard for TTU to explain away is that email which specifically says 'when we fire him after next season'. If he were still coach as of yesterday, an additional $2.4MM comes into play, to get rid of him.
You roll around in the pig pen with pigs, it's hard not to get muddy. Leach, TT, C. James and A. James were all rolling around in the mud on this one.
My son has been in college for a year and a half. I knew his college coaches for several years before he went there. I have had zero conversations with them since he went to school there. Other than hello etc.
I have no desire to either. Its his deal period.
If I were a college coach and his dad was showing up at practice , calling me , other coaches I would have sent him packing (the player and the dad.)
I bet Coach Leach if he could go back in time would have done exactly that. Quite honestly I am surprised he didnt do just that long before this incident happened.
I have no desire to either. Its his deal period.
If I were a college coach and his dad was showing up at practice , calling me , other coaches I would have sent him packing (the player and the dad.)
I bet Coach Leach if he could go back in time would have done exactly that. Quite honestly I am surprised he didnt do just that long before this incident happened.
quote:Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
You roll around in the pig pen with pigs, it's hard not to get muddy. Leach, TT, C. James and A. James were all rolling around in the mud on this one.
You got that part right!
Still it appears that Craig & Adam James, TT, the AD, the chancellor are all going to end up coming out of this worse than Mike Leach. The ball seems to be rolling in their direction now and it's like a snowball going down a hill......keeps getting bigger.
Good point Husker. Like I said these type of things never end good for anyone.
quote:If I were a college coach and his dad was showing up at practice , calling me , other coaches I would have sent him packing (the player and the dad.)
I bet Coach Leach if he could go back in time would have done exactly that. Quite honestly I am surprised he didnt do just that long before this incident happened.
Most high school coaches would send him packing. I find it rather odd Leach didn't...and to me that's a hole in his story. Leach has been clear about everyone else exaggerating. You think maybe, just maybe, he is too?
Of course he is. He's the guy that told the players they were all pirates and nobody liked them.
Yes that one concerns me as well. Why didnt he send him packing? That one stumps me and causes me some concern.
Also I find it interesting that Craig James steps in for his sons well being. But he is also the guy at practice , call posistion coaches , worrying the hel out of the coaching staff about playing time.
No winners here. But I do believe Leach will come out of this much better than everyone else will. And when the TT football program goes back to being what it was before Leach heads will roll.
The fan base is going to be livid over this. Craig and Adam James will never be able to show their face anywhere near Lubbock. Not that they will want to.
Also I find it interesting that Craig James steps in for his sons well being. But he is also the guy at practice , call posistion coaches , worrying the hel out of the coaching staff about playing time.
No winners here. But I do believe Leach will come out of this much better than everyone else will. And when the TT football program goes back to being what it was before Leach heads will roll.
The fan base is going to be livid over this. Craig and Adam James will never be able to show their face anywhere near Lubbock. Not that they will want to.
quote:He's the guy that told the players they were all pirates and nobody liked them.
Maybe I've learned this in movies as I don't know any pirates personally, but pirates do tend to turn on each other and have integrity problems don't they?
It all seems very self-sering by the James' & TT, with the money deadline and all.
What about the team and all the rest of those kids? This couldn't have waited until after the bowl? Suspend the coach and then conduct the investigation? Huh? Isn't that backwards? There was no process. The James accused, coach suspended, then we'll have a formal investigation. Any conspiracy theorists out there?
What about the team and all the rest of those kids? This couldn't have waited until after the bowl? Suspend the coach and then conduct the investigation? Huh? Isn't that backwards? There was no process. The James accused, coach suspended, then we'll have a formal investigation. Any conspiracy theorists out there?
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No mystery here...
Part of managing a program at that level is being in bed with the media. The james family was the media front and center. Send the father away, send the kid away, and you are biting the hand that feeds you, and you are doing so in the press. So you suck it up, your mind gets clouded (plus you are a bit wacked to begin with) and you then do something that seems OK at the time and in retrospect was really, really stupid.
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No mystery here...
Part of managing a program at that level is being in bed with the media. The james family was the media front and center. Send the father away, send the kid away, and you are biting the hand that feeds you, and you are doing so in the press. So you suck it up, your mind gets clouded (plus you are a bit wacked to begin with) and you then do something that seems OK at the time and in retrospect was really, really stupid.
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quote:Originally posted by observer44:
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No mystery here...
Part of managing a program at that level is being in bed with the media. The james family was the media front and center. Send the father away, send the kid away, and you are biting the hand that feeds you, and you are doing so in the press. So you suck it up, your mind gets clouded (plus you are a bit wacked to begin with) and you then do something that seems OK at the time and in retrospect was really, really stupid.
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That's a pretty good observation. Remember the old rule about burning bridges? It may make you feel better at the time but it could come back to haunt you.
Again I have to say that I like Leach for him standing by what he believes is true--- all the reports I have seen from HS on is that the James kid is spoiled rotten
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
Again I have to say that I like Leach for him standing by what he believes is true--- all the reports I have seen from HS on is that the James kid is spoiled rotten
The reports we have gotten would have you believe that he was not the Red Raider role model...but IMO this thing was a group effort, IMO, more than enough blame to go around.....the perfect storm...just one link (dad, player, coach, program, admin) acts a bit more responsibly and this is not an issue...
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Does anyone else find it hard to imagine that Craig James, totally immersed in the sports world, who not all that many years ago played college ball, called the coach repeatedly over "playing time"?
It's hard to prove a negative so how does James prove that he didn't, but I'd like to see James' phone bills with Texas Tech football coaches' numbers on them before I believe there were repeated calls about playing time.
According to Texas Tech stats on line, James played in all 12 games before the Bowl game.
This whole thing is an ugly mess. It might have been hard to do, but I'd respect Leach more if he had taken the high road in this sordid affair just once. Has he been an effective coach? Obviously, yes. Do I care one bit for his personality? Nope, an ego maniac.
It's hard to prove a negative so how does James prove that he didn't, but I'd like to see James' phone bills with Texas Tech football coaches' numbers on them before I believe there were repeated calls about playing time.
According to Texas Tech stats on line, James played in all 12 games before the Bowl game.
This whole thing is an ugly mess. It might have been hard to do, but I'd respect Leach more if he had taken the high road in this sordid affair just once. Has he been an effective coach? Obviously, yes. Do I care one bit for his personality? Nope, an ego maniac.
It's amazing, so much reported and countered from both sides. Now, local news is reporting that the Leach camp mis-quoted and used comments out of context from TTU trainer Pincok and TTU Physician Dr. Phy. Also, they have clarified it was for hours.
New Leach Docs...
Also, in keeping with Cap'n Mike's M.O., it is now the trainer's fault, he's saying he did not order the CODE Shed.... Go figure.
GED10DaD
New Leach Docs...
Also, in keeping with Cap'n Mike's M.O., it is now the trainer's fault, he's saying he did not order the CODE Shed.... Go figure.
GED10DaD
quote:Originally posted by hokieone:
Does anyone else find it hard to imagine that Craig James, totally immersed in the sports world, who not all that many years ago played college ball, called the coach repeatedly over "playing time"?
No. It fits James' reputation.
quote:It's hard to prove a negative so how does James prove that he didn't, but I'd like to see James' phone bills with Texas Tech football coaches' numbers on them before I believe there were repeated calls about playing time.
Remember, that information was made public first by position coaches, not Leach.
We're still weeks away from the whole story. Be patient.
quote:We're still weeks away from the whole story. Be patient.
I'm not so sure we will every get the whole truth Jimmy. The spin doctors do a pretty amazing job when it comes to these kind of things. Plus, some will only see what they want to see, they never let facts get in the way!
Actually, it was reported on twitter by several of the TTU player's lil' fat girfriends!quote:...that information was made public first by position coaches...
quote:Originally posted by GunEmDown10:
It's amazing, so much reported and countered from both sides. Now, local news is reporting that the Leach camp mis-quoted and used comments out of context from TTU trainer Pincok and TTU Physician Dr. Phy. Also, they have clarified it was for hours.
New Leach Docs...
Also, in keeping with Cap'n Mike's M.O., it is now the trainer's fault, he's saying he did not order the CODE Shed.... Go figure.
GED10DaD
"Paper lay still, they can write anything on it"
Wonder HOW much pressure was put on these two folks, IF they wanted to keep their jobs?
Bottom-line, the truth will always surface and the man above knows what the truth is as well as Coach Leach, The James Family and the administration.
Look at the history folks, it will tell you a lot!
For those currently watching the Alamo Bowl game between Texas Tech and Michigan State, Adam James' jersey number is #82.
Questions:
1. Given potential security/safety issues, is Adam James at the Alamo Bowl?
2. Will the Texas Tech coaches put him in the game?
Honestly, if he goes in, I would expect him to endure boos from tens of thousands at the game.
One interesting note from James' listing on the TT roster: "offered scholarships by Boston College, Mississippi, Tulsa and Wisconsin." I was under the impression that no schools had offered him a scholarship.
Questions:
1. Given potential security/safety issues, is Adam James at the Alamo Bowl?
2. Will the Texas Tech coaches put him in the game?
Honestly, if he goes in, I would expect him to endure boos from tens of thousands at the game.
One interesting note from James' listing on the TT roster: "offered scholarships by Boston College, Mississippi, Tulsa and Wisconsin." I was under the impression that no schools had offered him a scholarship.
ESPN just reported that he will not play tonight due to his concussion. He is standing on the sidelines with the team.
He is not playing tonight. He is not dressed due to lingering effects of the concussion. He was just shown on the sidelines wearing his jersey.
I just don't know what to believe any more!
There are so many false reports!
There are so many false reports!
lil' fat girlfriends??
Is "lil' fat" a player???
Is "lil' fat" a player???
All sides acted like five year olds. All parties involved got what they wanted and deserved,ten fold. You make you bed, you lay in it.
Coach Leach will come out just fine. Most people nowadays don't care about anything but $$$ (winning). He is out of the TTech situation, probably make more of said $$$, and his new ad will be intimidated.
The AD and Chancellor at TTech are done. Even if they weather the storm; not a enviable position to be in.
They asked for it!
I feel for the rest of the team, especially the Seniors.
Coach Leach will come out just fine. Most people nowadays don't care about anything but $$$ (winning). He is out of the TTech situation, probably make more of said $$$, and his new ad will be intimidated.
The AD and Chancellor at TTech are done. Even if they weather the storm; not a enviable position to be in.
They asked for it!
I feel for the rest of the team, especially the Seniors.
Leach may come out fine. We'll see. I'm not sure how many big-time universities will be looking for a guy who punished an injured player with questionable discipline methods, strong-armed medical personnel to back him (notice how the stories from the trainer and doctor are much different once they were asked to give sworn, signed statements), refused to discuss the issue with his bosses, and sued the school that employed him. Many schools will now regard him as radioactive, at least as a head coach. Who wants to hire a guy to run a program who thinks he has to answer to no one? I can see him being an OC maybe.
As for TTU, the players seem to be doing fine without him. They're battling tonight in a good effort, not showing effects of losing Leach, and a number of them have issued strong statements of support for Adam James. The school also may end up hiring a big-name guy like Tommy Tuberville. It doesn't appear to me that they're torn apart by Leach's dismissal.
As for TTU, the players seem to be doing fine without him. They're battling tonight in a good effort, not showing effects of losing Leach, and a number of them have issued strong statements of support for Adam James. The school also may end up hiring a big-name guy like Tommy Tuberville. It doesn't appear to me that they're torn apart by Leach's dismissal.
quote:Originally posted by Bulldog 19:
He is not playing tonight. He is not dressed due to lingering effects of the concussion. He was just shown on the sidelines wearing his jersey.
And he's wearing a wool cap in a dome. Not many teammates around him. I can't believe he showed up. I guess he figures he's a big part of next year's plans.
Sorry Antz-
Don't know the boy other than what I have read, I'm sure like you. But I see plenty of folks talking to him. I think the wool cap is a non-issue.
Don't know the boy other than what I have read, I'm sure like you. But I see plenty of folks talking to him. I think the wool cap is a non-issue.
Some in Dallas have firsthand knowledge of Craig James meddling on behalf of his son Adam in baseball. When he was 17 Adam was cut loose from his summer team for this very reason.
And that is exactly what Mike Leach should have done in this situation - cut him.
And that is exactly what Mike Leach should have done in this situation - cut him.
I bet he wished he had.
quote:Some in Dallas have firsthand knowledge of Craig James meddling on behalf of his son Adam in baseball. When he was 17 Adam was cut loose from his summer team for this very reason.
Who did he play summer ball with, Natural?
Yep, it's a game to some, and life or death to others. What a shame.
Interesting article in the Dallas Morning News...makes Leach's story rather hard to believe. Note the dates.
Tech releases affidavits that differ from statements produced by Leach representative
Tech releases affidavits that differ from statements produced by Leach representative
quote:Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
Interesting article in the Dallas Morning News...makes Leach's story rather hard to believe. Note the dates.
Tech releases affidavits that differ from statements produced by Leach representative
ESPN has been breathlessly reporting this all night, along with Craig James ever so smugly feeling vindicated reaction.
So what are you to believe? The statements given to Leach's attorneys or the statement given to the people who sign your paycheck?
quote:So what are you to believe?
I'm to believe Avatar is probably the best movie I have ever seen. Go see it in the 3D/large screen version. Simply stunning. Sorry, been at the movie tonight and just tuned into the game/web. But the statements given to the employer were before this all blew up if I have my dates right.
I will always take a signed, sworn affidavit over a PR release from a coach who was desperate to have his medical staff him help cover his butt.
Where has this backup QB for TT been all season???? He comes off the bench and is throwing laser beams. Only incompletion is a drop and two 4th down conversions and now a 2nd TD drive to pull away from a s****** MSU team. Seriously this dude is awesome and his numbers in limited playing time are pretty darn good.
Ruffin McNeil is probably the new Texas Tech coach barring a huge collapse.
Ruffin McNeil is probably the new Texas Tech coach barring a huge collapse.
He beat Nebraska...the same defense Colt McCoy couldn't do anything against. He's good...tonight wasn't a fluke.
Wow, what a compelling game with the storyline. Fantastic job by the 2nd string QB as well as the interim coach. Post game interview "I'm country as an egg" how can you not love this guy? Very interesting to follow this whole story as it continues to develop.
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Uh Tx, ol' boy. I'm 'cerned 'bout ya'. This drinkin' of yers has gotten outta hand and I think it's sumthin' you oughta' face up to...
I know even cowboys get the blues, but this is just too much!
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Uh Tx, ol' boy. I'm 'cerned 'bout ya'. This drinkin' of yers has gotten outta hand and I think it's sumthin' you oughta' face up to...
I know even cowboys get the blues, but this is just too much!
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Mitch Albom just gave an amusing analysis of this situation. The AD that fired Leach is the same AD that hired Bobby Knight. Perhaps there is more to this firing than just Leach's behavior?
It's just a 24 hour blue bug, Woody. I should be fine shortly.
That's nothing. Nothing at all. Look at him. That kid's out of shape for a receiver.
Agree VD, that's nothing. Disagree though about being out of shape. Just looks like a wide receiver with size.
Yeah, he needs a little bulk for inside, I guess. He's made some catches. I remember seeing him play, because they always said, 'that's Craig James' son, by the way...'. I don't know where the playing-time complaint comes in. There's only only one ball and that looks like a tough line up to crack.
But, the video also shows what some coaches and players have said all along.
But, the video also shows what some coaches and players have said all along.
This just in.... According to News Channel 11 in Lubbock.
01/09/2010
Tuberville to be named TTU football coach
LUBBOCK, TX (KCBD) - NewsChannell 11 has learned that Tommy Tuberville will be the next football coach for Texas Tech. An official announcement is expected Monday.
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01/09/2010
Tuberville to be named TTU football coach
LUBBOCK, TX (KCBD) - NewsChannell 11 has learned that Tommy Tuberville will be the next football coach for Texas Tech. An official announcement is expected Monday.
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Let's not be so naive as to think he is the only coach who is pretty vocal when not happy.
I am not saying I agree, but I am not surprised.
I am not saying I agree, but I am not surprised.
Come on guys. Coaches get after kids like that all the time. This is serious business. The kid is getting his education paid for. The coach doesnt win he gets fired. Your preparing kids for a very violent game that requires tremendous discipline. If a kid is playing college football and he can not handle a coach ripping him like that he needs to go do something else.
I don't think you have to do it. I dont think you have to curse kids. I don't think every coach does it. But lets be honest it happens at many locations across the country and kids know it and understand it. My hs coach would rip you a new one. It certainly got your attention. It made you focus I can tell you that.
I don't think you have to do it. I dont think you have to curse kids. I don't think every coach does it. But lets be honest it happens at many locations across the country and kids know it and understand it. My hs coach would rip you a new one. It certainly got your attention. It made you focus I can tell you that.
Getting ripped hurts your feelings and is embarassing but it's not the end of the world. It is a learning / teaching tool just like many other things. Society is so worried about not being embarassed or having feelings hurt that getting ripped loses it's ability to teach. One thing to remember is getting ripped is not an everytime tool - it needs to be used sparingly in order to be effective. But the problem is when society says it's wrong and should never happen then kids focus on how the message is delivered rather than what the message is. The purpose of ripping someone is because you have tried other means to get their attention to teach them something.
But when parents and everyone runs to their "defense" the message is lost and that chance at learning something is lost. Life is tough and it takes tough people to get to through it. When you shelter kids from everything bad they don't have the tools needed in order to handle the bad stuff. Now you create an emotional roller coaster. Something basic that is done well is taken to an unnatural high because everything in their life is celebrated to be the greatest thing ever - the all star everyone gets a trophy syndrome. But the bad becomes unnaturally low because they've never experienced any type of bad stuff. So when they get ripped it's the worse thing in the world and they don't know how to handle it.
Getting ripped is not the worse thing in the world but it's a teaching tool to help you learn to handle bad things. Trust me I got ripped quite a bit growing up. I hated it, I was embarassed and it made me feel bad but I learned if I didn't want to experience those feelings again I shouldn't do what I did to emote that response.
That is the point we are losing and with the Texas Tech situation I think Leach is a guy who will get onto you quickly and James is a sheltered person who didn't know how to handle it. He felt he was better than everyone else and standard rules don't apply to him. So when he was challenged by Leach James now went after him. Leach ended up being hard headed and stubborn to try and "fight" back. It cost him his job. What Leach probably should have done (not sure since I wasn't there and not privy to all info) is said "James if your hurt then stay in the trainer's room. We're going to move ahead without you because that is what we do and that is what life is about. You want to get back then you better perform 100 times better than the person who is replacing you. Your attitude stinks and you're not a very good teammate. YOu want back in - you earn it. Other than that you can stay her for all I care."
Leach suing the school and stuff tells me he's one of two things - he's either actually innocent because he's fighting for his name and he should OR he's a complete idiot if he's guilty of mistreating James trying to fight this like he is.
But when parents and everyone runs to their "defense" the message is lost and that chance at learning something is lost. Life is tough and it takes tough people to get to through it. When you shelter kids from everything bad they don't have the tools needed in order to handle the bad stuff. Now you create an emotional roller coaster. Something basic that is done well is taken to an unnatural high because everything in their life is celebrated to be the greatest thing ever - the all star everyone gets a trophy syndrome. But the bad becomes unnaturally low because they've never experienced any type of bad stuff. So when they get ripped it's the worse thing in the world and they don't know how to handle it.
Getting ripped is not the worse thing in the world but it's a teaching tool to help you learn to handle bad things. Trust me I got ripped quite a bit growing up. I hated it, I was embarassed and it made me feel bad but I learned if I didn't want to experience those feelings again I shouldn't do what I did to emote that response.
That is the point we are losing and with the Texas Tech situation I think Leach is a guy who will get onto you quickly and James is a sheltered person who didn't know how to handle it. He felt he was better than everyone else and standard rules don't apply to him. So when he was challenged by Leach James now went after him. Leach ended up being hard headed and stubborn to try and "fight" back. It cost him his job. What Leach probably should have done (not sure since I wasn't there and not privy to all info) is said "James if your hurt then stay in the trainer's room. We're going to move ahead without you because that is what we do and that is what life is about. You want to get back then you better perform 100 times better than the person who is replacing you. Your attitude stinks and you're not a very good teammate. YOu want back in - you earn it. Other than that you can stay her for all I care."
Leach suing the school and stuff tells me he's one of two things - he's either actually innocent because he's fighting for his name and he should OR he's a complete idiot if he's guilty of mistreating James trying to fight this like he is.
C'mon Coaches and TPM,
Nobody said a thing about what Leach was doing in that video was wrong. As a matter of fact, I think both comments were "That's nothing" and "Agree VD, that's nothing". Take your coaching hats off for a second and relax!
Nobody said a thing about what Leach was doing in that video was wrong. As a matter of fact, I think both comments were "That's nothing" and "Agree VD, that's nothing". Take your coaching hats off for a second and relax!
Ok. I will relax.
The problem here is that nobody has all the REAL information-- and we are all making assumptions---being from the "old school" this is all childs play to me---the kids today are too pampered and the parents need to learn to sit in the stands and just root for THE TEAM, not the player--I can tell you that my DAD would never even talk to the coach regarding anything, in fact I would not bring a problem home to him because he would luagh at me and simple say "deal with it"---most kids today won't, don't and cannot deal with it
Texas Tech University announced they will hold a news conference Sunday, 2PM CST, where an official announcement is expected on the hiring of Coach Tuberville. The news conference will be live from the TTU's United Spirit Arena.
For more check out:Tuberville GUNS UP!!!
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For more check out:Tuberville GUNS UP!!!
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The thing I don't understand is exactly how did Leach harm James?
This sounds almost like a parent telling their child to go sit in the corner or maybe grounding the child. The way I see it, Leach did nothing that endangered the kid, concussion or not! Didn't even touch him or physically abuse him in any way! Pretty soon coaches will lose control of their teams. Every day, there is a coach out there doing something that could be considered abusive. What's worse... Making someone run sprints on a 100 degree turf field after they are already gassed... or telling someone to go sit in a room? The actual drills are more dangerous and physically abusive than what Leach did to James. Oh yea, I forget... it's the disrespect that was shown. Football coaches can't show any disrespect to their players. What world is like that?
It cost Leach his job in order to hopefully teach a spoiled kid a lesson. Personally, I think James would be better off today if he would have just kept his mouth shut. That goes for James SR, too. They got what they wanted, but now the whole world knows how they are.
I really think this was just what the administrators were looking for... A reason to get rid of a coach they were tired of dealing with!
That's about the way I see all of this.
This sounds almost like a parent telling their child to go sit in the corner or maybe grounding the child. The way I see it, Leach did nothing that endangered the kid, concussion or not! Didn't even touch him or physically abuse him in any way! Pretty soon coaches will lose control of their teams. Every day, there is a coach out there doing something that could be considered abusive. What's worse... Making someone run sprints on a 100 degree turf field after they are already gassed... or telling someone to go sit in a room? The actual drills are more dangerous and physically abusive than what Leach did to James. Oh yea, I forget... it's the disrespect that was shown. Football coaches can't show any disrespect to their players. What world is like that?
It cost Leach his job in order to hopefully teach a spoiled kid a lesson. Personally, I think James would be better off today if he would have just kept his mouth shut. That goes for James SR, too. They got what they wanted, but now the whole world knows how they are.
I really think this was just what the administrators were looking for... A reason to get rid of a coach they were tired of dealing with!
That's about the way I see all of this.
Agree 100%!
Leach fires back. I found this posted on another website.
http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com...on/Leach3Amended.pdf
http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com...on/Leach3Amended.pdf
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Leach fires back. I found this posted on another website.
Wow. Thanks for that. Sounds like Leach was railroaded.
For as far as I scanned the document it was James this, James that, James, James, James, ad nauseum. It's Leach's attorney's adaptation of the truth. I'm willing to bet Leach's removal goes a lot deeper than just James. But James is the only argument possibly in his favor.
If Leach just wouldn't have put the kid in timeout he'd probably be the head coach at Tennessee right now...