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Team isn't what it used to be. Team used to be tied in with your community. We were born, raised, worked and retired in the same place. Now very few are born and live their entire life in one place. And even fewer work for the same person their entire life. Most people switch jobs 5-10 times in a lifetime. Most people move. Our kids come with us. Divorce is high. They are taught it is OK to leave for a better situation by our actions. Even when playing ball it is loyalty to the team you are on that season.

Coaches say to do something for the team. If the team has a lot of success, then the coach usually leaves for a better team whether it is HS, college, or pro. Coaches come and go at even the best Universities with a few exceptions. Pro sports is a juggling contest for coaches and players. The biggest talk before the season is always player movement and coaching changes.

You can do your best for a team, be the best kid, play the hardest, be the most respectful and still lose your spot to a more talented kid even if you are the best team player. Even at the youth level, kids know they can lose their job anytime a new face shows up.

Why do we expect a teenager to be loyal to his team when all he has is examples of the exact opposite? Sure, there are exceptions to this movement, but they are vastly in the minority and rarely make the news. Our actions speak much more loudly than our words.

My rant of the day.
Hustle never has a bad day.
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Why do we expect a teenager to be loyal to his team when all he has is examples of the exact opposite?
There's a good chance there's a parent telling the kid he's getting screwed and needs to find a new team, or a parent is telling the player he's too good to play on the team. Give the parents the opportunity and there's a good chance they'll screw it up for the kid. I believe a lot of kids are happy until their parents inform them they shouldn't be.
DM,
The things you mentioned are things that happen as you go through life.I look at it as life lessons and no where better to learn it than when you are young working in a team environment.

All the things that you mention also happen on the job.

I think that is usually why children that play team sports when young are able to be competitive and successful as adults.

JMO.
Being on a team or in a community doesn't mean you have to stay there your whole life. To me being a member of a team and / or community is doing everything in your power to make it successful. You do this day in and day out but if there is another team or community that you feel is a better fit for you then make the move and do the exact same thing again.

You have to still be happy with who you are and what you are accomplishing with your team / community. Good team mates and good citizens cannot always make a team / community successful. If that is the case then you should be able to better yourself.

While you are on that team or living in that community then you need to do everything you can to make them successful.
We do have some options we could teach our kids:

Option #1: We instill in our kids that at some point in life you will get passed over for a good promotion, lose your starting job and that these are good enough the reasons not to be loyal to your employer or team?

Option # 2 Things in option # 1 are probably going to happen to you at some point in your life but don't let that discourage you. Keep doing what you need to do to accomplish the goals you set out for yourself.Don't run away from a problem, tackle it head on and be the exception and not the norm?

I will take option 2.

The grass always seems greener on the other side.

If everyone else is jumping off the cliff are you following?
We are a nation of immigrants. My family moved from Europe to Pennsylvannia in the 1700's, then to Ohio in the early 1800's, then to Washington in the early 1900's.. you get my drift. These folks that settled the West did so seeking greater economic opportunity (and situation) for their family.

Life is not static, and neither is baseball. Kids should be loyal to their team and play out the year then assess their situation. If that means looking at other opportunities, well, that is the American way.
About coaches bring in new players:

Shouldn't they always be trying to make the team better?

Life isn't fair. I started playing baseball at 17- before that pickup softball. No matter how hard I work, I'll never be able to be as good as some people, they have had thousands of more reps at everything. But I'm trying my hardest and doing whatever is in my control. People are now surprised when the find out I've only been playing for 3 years. Craziest thing I ever did was go to a baseball camp for the college bound player, before I ever played organized ball. Best thing I ever did also.
Doughnut Man you suggest divorce and parents moving as having an impact on high school baseball ---- I agree. You're partially right but not 100%. Let me share a story that happened about 2000 here in Tennessee that might explain what is at the destructive epicenter of this team/community/individual aspect of baseball. Two very good high school baseball players, one from Mississippi and one from Jackson, Tennessee wanted to play for a very good high school coach in the Memphis area. Both sets of parents filed for divorce. The mothers of these two players "just happened" to rent an apartment in the Memphis area (in the school district of the very good baseball team). The players immediately became impact players and the team advanced to the state tournament, losing in the final game (I think) of the state tournament. With the season over the parents reconciled, gave up the apartment and everything was back to normal --- except they had establishing another example of team/individual/community baseball. No foul here. These were just two individuals trying to better themselves. They made sacrifices to improve their game. The problem is complex but to even begin to understand it we must first admit that focusing on the individual can have catastrophic effects on the team/community and that will always be debated --- by individuals.
Fungo
EH, athletes aren't allowed to transfer for athletic reasons. In order for the athlete to be approved to play without setting out a year, the bylaws of the TSSAA (governing body)states it has to be for a legitimate reason and divorce or pending divorce is accepted. Not sure about the separated part but I think legally separated is a ruling and not a filing.

tigercub, who are you or I to say they are abusing the system? It appears as if they were but the TSSAA said no.
Fungo
Bravo Catch 43...

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But I'm trying my hardest and doing whatever is in my control


Exactly. The best you can do is decide what YOU stand for, no matter what the circumstances. It’s called character, it is hard won and it is in very short supply.

44 is VERY old fashioned/archaic/idealistic. I am not sure the current set of circumstances is as much about the loss of team and community as it is about the loss of character. IMO team and community are built on character. The players I respect live team and community everywhere they go. They do so through their character.

I guess in the end the question comes down the some basic values. IMO, A man is not about his statistics, possessions, or his accomplishments, or his wins, or his titles or his $12M bonus checks. A man is about what he stands for on the inside, no matter what it looks like to those whose values have been twisted by the fickle winds of current circumstance and popular opinion. What hasn’t changed in baseball 100 years is the test of character to the player, and the opportunity to become a character guy. To those whose opinions matter, to those who see long term character will always matter.

The sad thing is what HAS changed in baseball and society wide is our attitude toward character, toward fame and celebrity, toward winning and statistics at all costs. Currently much common wisdom says it is acceptable to take the money and run. To switch teams on a whim. To use PEDS. To bail if you do not start. To demand your gratification instantly. To be a star at all and any costs. And to do it quickly or leave without consideration with respect to team, team mates, coaches, family, or consequences as long as it would appear to benefit me and make me more high profile. You are simply a fool in the eyes of many if you do not. While there has always been an element of this out there, IMO it is more pervasive now than it has ever been.

Sad thing is that struggle fosters character. Waiting makes it all the sweeter. Earning it provides you with strength and confidence to face new challenges, again, down the road. Facing difficulty makes you dig deeper and decide what you really stand for down deep, what you believe in other than your own ego and your statistics. And team? Team success that is built on the character of players, is more rare, harder to achieve and in the end all the more sweet than any individual success. Ask any team that has won in Omaha.

IMO There is nothing more central or basic to baseball at the youth/HS/College game that building character team and values. It’s a laboratory to develop and teach life skills and character and team. When faced with adversity, do you dig in for the long haul, or you whine and bail out? Do you look for shortcuts? Can you rally the troops and take a shot at an impossible dream? Says a great deal about who you are and what you value. And it says a great deal about family and what they value. Says a great deal about society and what we value.

Told my players...REGARDLESS of what the circumstances are...every time you step on the field you set an example...you get there early, you work harder, you do the work others will not, you support your team, you treat others with respect, you rally the troops....you be the character rock if no one else will. You are on the bubble? Subject to politics? Get off it. You take pride in your ability to outwork, out hustle, and out last. You may not start, you may not play, but you will be different. No one else may speak up, but they will know you have their backs and much more importantly you will know who you are what you stand for. And you will carry that skill set and that knowledge and that confidence, and that ability to bring others together for the rest of your life. It is what successful lives are built around.

You will face difficult life situations...coaches will leave, players will leave, you will face horrendous coaches and teams...and you will be unfairly criticized and judged and taken for granted and looked over and ignored and used and lied to...but in the end it doesn’t really matter. You are bigger than circumstance. It was never about the specific situation it was always about handling the situations, using them to be a better human being and teammate. Every adversity you will face will make you stronger and better. Every self centered player and team that crashes around you because it/they lack character, will be a case study for you. If through it all you hold strong to your values and learn to wait, and work, and care, and struggle and create teams out of individuals, you will have the respect of people who really matter, and that includes yourself.

The bad news is that yes, character guys and team are out of fashion. The good news is that character guys, and team stand out more now than they ever have, and that presents true opportunity. The good news is that those whose respect is worth having still respect character and team. That respect is hard earned, worth winning and long term. That’s what sport is about and that is where it’s worth lies and that is why it endures. Character and team are built into the human psyche, it is who we are, and at some level deep down we all know that. It takes great courage to stand for something solid and real, to risk the temporary trappings. Such courage will never go out of style.

Cool 44
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I grew up in a town that was a community---1955 our Little League team was covered in the local newpapers--stats--interviews--the whole salami
In 1956 I played under lights in Babe Ruth--same coverage etc

My sons grew up in a town that was a community---in fact they have a Facebook page for themselves


Its a great feeling

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