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The difference a year makes.

T tfox100+ posts
My son started learning rotational mechanics about February.


I just got a picture of him finishing his swing this past weekend and compared it to a picture from last year at the same time.He was 7 in the first pic.

I was amazed at how much he had grown. Eek and before you ask,NO,he is not on steroids. Big Grin


His form has also improved dramatically.


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BlueDogBlueDog1,000+ posts
Chameleon knows what he is saying......I would advise you to listen carefully to what he says....His form is quite a bit better in last years pic.....

He is sitting on his backside, now, and not transferring his weight well.....Better pitching will expose the fault of doing this....

In which pic do the hips have a more complete opening?....And, in which pic did he hit the ball on the way to extension?
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M micmeister500+ posts
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BlueDog:

He is sitting on his backside, now, and not transferring his weight well.....Better pitching will expose the fault of doing this....



Oh, you mean like.....Barry Bonds??? Mr. Fox, he looks good to me in both pictures, just using different mechanics. I can't really tell if he got to full extension since he's let go with his top hand in this picture, but it may be something you want to watch. If he's not getting his hands extended through contact, as Blue Dog notes, he may have trouble with breaking balls and off speed pitches as the pitchers get better. Sounds like he's had a great year. Keep up the good work!
BlueDogBlueDog1,000+ posts
Chameleon, some are catching on and some are not.....

Some understand that MLB hitters float the bat and some never will.....

Some understand hands to the ball doesn't allow late pitch recognition and some do not....

What happens during the float is what seperates MLB hitters from the rest.....Without the float, you're toast.....

Of course, unless they're satisfied with padding stats against poor pitching.....Which, is quite prevalent with coaches, parents and players....So much so, I would say it's the norm.....
M micmeister500+ posts
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Originally posted by noreast:
When Blue Dog and Chameleon speak, read, and re-read.

Blue Dog, by "float", are you referring to what the barrel is doing during the period in what Chameleon refers to as "tourque the hands"?




Yes, that's what he's talking about and there is absolutely no need for an 8 year old kid to do that. When he starts to see 90+ fast balls combined with 75 to 85 mph breaking pitches, he will need to learn to do that. Most younger kids don't have the hand strength to re-direct the bat and keep enough control of the barrel to make consistent contact. IMO, timing and getting to a proper contact position is more of a problem for younger kids than bat speed.
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T tfox100+ posts
micmeister,you saw the video of him hitting and some times(most of the time) he gets to full extension,other times he doesn't.

He doesn't always take his hand off the bat as he is doing in this picture.It seems to be a feel thing for him.


I would quess that in the second picture he was arm barring real bad because he has started doing that in the last few weaks but I am not worried because he has done it right enough for me to know he is getting it.



Remember,this is hitting off a machine where he can sit dead ready for a certain pitch and hit it hard.


For those that missed it.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q7aE2HpzIF4


He was actually hitting the ball real well when the first pic was taken but he was just floating the ball into the outfield.Now,he is crushing the ball and hitting line drives.
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M micmeister500+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by tfox:
micmeister,you saw the video of him hitting and some times(most of the time) he gets to full extension,other times he doesn't.

He doesn't always take his hand off the bat as he is doing in this picture.It seems to be a feel thing for him.


I would quess that in the second picture he was arm barring real bad because he has started doing that in the last few weaks but I am not worried because he has done it right enough for me to know he is getting it.



Remember,this is hitting off a machine where he can sit dead ready for a certain pitch and hit it hard.


For those that missed it.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q7aE2HpzIF4


He was actually hitting the ball real well when the first pic was taken but he was just floating the ball into the outfield.Now,he is crushing the ball and hitting line drives.




Because now he has better leverage.
BlueDogBlueDog1,000+ posts
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Blue Dog, by "float", are you referring to what the barrel is doing during the period in what Chameleon refers to as "tourque the hands"?


Yes....During this period the bat is changing planes while the handle of the bat is being torqued in-between the hands.....And, please understand floating the bat is not a strength issue.....

AND, the location and speed of the pitch is being recognized during this time period, also.......

Here is Mr. Bonds floating the bat....

http://www.youthbaseballcoaching.com/mpg/Bonds01.mpeg

Please note in the above clip how the hips complete their turn and the arms extend.....Nice weight transfer.....No sitting on his back leg....
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ChameleonChameleon100+ posts
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Originally posted by tfox:
Same batting avearge with more at bats,more homeruns and more extra base hits.

I like this years better. Razz


This kind of thinking jeopardizes his baseball future.

It's the same exact thought process that all dads/kids take that never play beyond high school. Many don't even play there. They wake up one day and realize what they've been doing will not work at higher levels.

Most were never warned. You now have been.

There is a high level sequence that you'd better work toward instead of stat numbers.

We really can't tell **** from the still pictures. But....you claim it's better. If all we have is a still, the still of last year is better
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M micmeister500+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by Chameleon:
quote:
Originally posted by tfox:
Same batting avearge with more at bats,more homeruns and more extra base hits.

I like this years better. Razz


This kind of thinking jeopardizes his baseball future.

It's the same exact thought process that all dads/kids take that never play beyond high school. Many don't even play there. They wake up one day and realize what they've been doing will not work at higher levels.

Most were never warned. You now have been.

There is a high level sequence that you'd better work toward instead of stat numbers.

We really can't tell s h i t from the still pictures. But....you claim it's better. If all we have is a still, the still of last year is better




His kid is "8"!!! With your kind of thinking, 8 year old pitchers should be working on cutters, split fingers, and sliders. That is what they have to do to be a professional pitcher...right???
M micmeister500+ posts
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Originally posted by BlueDog:
quote:
IMO, timing and getting to a proper contact position is more of a problem for younger kids than bat speed.


In all due respect Meister, everything is a problem to any hitter who doesn't know what to do.....Age is not a factor.....




Floating the bat is a recognition mechanic. What does an 8 year old need to recognize other than location. Should a 3rd grader learn Calculus before they learn basic math??? A swing is something that can be built upon and IMO should be, so that a hitter can have success along the way as well as in the end. Teaching an 8 year old a MLB swing isn't needed. If you two don't scare Mr. Fox away from here, he can add to his son's swing as he moves up. If you overload him now and he isn't successful, he may quit playing altogether.
ChameleonChameleon100+ posts
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Originally posted by micmeister:
He is hitting around and over his back leg and behind his front leg. If he was hitting from back to front his foot would go up or forward.



The **** they come up with to save face.

around and over yet behind.......so you're saying no forward momentum into Bond's swing?

lol

The kids age is irrelevant. How old is the Dad? The Dad's lack of understanding is the point.
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